Client security
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Once again, you're not paying attention and you're zoning in on the things that affect you without considering others or other situations of which you aren't a part that have been discussed in this thread. I can't be bothered to go back and do post referrals for you again so I'm not going to. You're a smart girl and you know how to read, if selectively. Go check yourself. I have spoken at length sharing information and experience for people who do have to deal with a variety of situations regularly, and also for the situations in which security stuff does apply to me (new indy MPs for example, or for when I travel). For some reason you've taken an antagonistic stance on anything I say on this matter even though most of the situations don't apply to you or to the other ladies on MERB, and even though I've repeatedly made it clear that most of it most of the remedies don't apply to MERB ladies or reputable agencies either. I presume it's because some of it goes against your business model and you're hyper focused on that. That's fine, and I get promoting yourself, but the only two things that might apply to you are the deposits and the screening, and probably none of the rest of it. I've given an opinion and my personal experience, presented information, and again have repeatedly said that the decision on what to do with that information lies with the individual.
There have been a zillion threads about SP security, and I have no real problem with that. Why do you have such a problem with just one thread about client security? And why in the world would you care about how I go about mongering, or even by implication insulting the ladies I do see, and whom you don't know?
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Why! are you doing it so you won’t sleep on a park bench? I highly doubt it.
Yes a lot are doing it because they won’t adapt to a regular job can’t is a very subjective word.
Many have endured a lot of things and didn’t become escorts, in fact you are a small minority.
I don’t see anything wrong with escorting if that is what someone chooses to do, but it is a choice that they make.
There are many that have regular careers outside of escorting and yes they are doing it because they want the luxuries that a regular job won’t afford.
So I wonder who is being simple minded.
Escorts come from all works of life just like other people.
Who said we are mad about anything.
It is just a simple discussion of what security precautions we take. That is what this board is for I believe to keep us all safe so yes this is a highly appropriate thread.
As usual it is very diversified, some are extremely vigilant and careful and others couldn’t care less and will hand over any document an SP requires or asks for.
It seems you are the one that is upset that not everybody is willing to just nod their head in approval and go along with anything and everything an escort would ask for.
Personally I don’t have a problem with the ladies I see they have known me for many years have been inside my home and they are friends.
Not sure why we have to make snide assumptions. Despite my clear disagreement with some of the stances in this thread I've read every line.
I specifically ignored your described situation bc it applies to literally no one. You're in a different league, with your turbo-harem of underpaid semi-girlfriends. Rest of us have decisions to make and rules to play by.
The thread had one question: What do you do to protect yourself from predatory providers? We each have our ways, and I've said my piece, but I appreciate the advice from the summit of Pussy Mountain. (j/k, I don't need any more heat).
lol, who's being snide now? "turbo harem"? "Pussy mountain"? *snort*
It's true that the situation I described applies to probably very few people here, but it's actually a situation that's very common elsewhere, and other guys were the inspiration for me to try to create something equal here. I'm not an innovator by any stretch and didn't come up with some revolutionary new concept on my own. Expat groups in latin america are absolutely rife with arrangements like mine, and inspired me to do the same here. One of the reasons that these arrangements exist is for safety, the main reason for discussion on this thread. The ladies don't seem to feel that they're underpaid either, but again consider the different situation before jumping to any conclusions. They have no advertising costs, no incall costs, no wardrobe costs, no transportation expenses or any other costs etc., etc., and no expenses, because I pay for whatever, and they don't do this as a principal source of income. Guys seem to think that the ladies working here are absorbing gobs of money and rich beyond the dreams of Midas because of their hourly rate without considering how much effort and cost goes into it. The girls I see don't have any of that. Again it's easy to look through one set of eyes, but really there's just a huge variety of different situations.
No heat from me. We're just having a discussion. You're still in my good books. lol. It's fine to question stuff, the need for it and the applicability of anything. Debate is fine too. Why shouldn't people question the need for anything that seems weird to them? But it goes both ways, and both sides of the equation need to be questioned, and even if the information isn't relevant now it could be later for anyone reading this thread and entering into a new situation or looking to change the current one. I just think that the scope of the vision needs to be broader in some instances.
That is totally false. The game changed with BIll C-36, it handed all the power to the SPs. One of the reasons scams exploded on Leolist types of sites and the girls know this. She can scam and get away with it. They demand payment upfront, once she gets the money there is nothing a client can do about it. She can throw him out without giving any service and if the guy refuses to leave without his money she can call the cops. In the eyes of the law the man is the predator and the girl is the victim. It is a broad criminalizing of all men. I like this thread and it is things men should do to protect themselves.
Merb is a very small pool of escorts where there is some legitimacy, but out of Merb it is the wild west. Merb agencies and escorts is the only place I am okay to pay upfront but everywhere else that will never happen. One of the most important things is to NEVER pay upfront. This is the rule to follow in other countries like Latin America. You could get scammed and again there is nothing you can do once she gets the money. No law in this world protect clients of escorts at least none that I know off. I got big concerns about my privacy especially with Bill C-36, I will never provide my ID and I do not got LinkedIn. Who knows how that information will be used by the SP. That is why I strictly use agencies or if there is an Indy with a straightforward booking process then it is all good also.
I meant power imbalance from a physical safety standpoint but it doesn't matter, we're not going to change each other's minds on this. You take your level of risk and I'll take mine.
Good point. How many posts we read on this board about some guy showing up threatening the client with something bad if he did not leave? For sure there is a power imbalance in the SP favor. The guys that are there for protection we got no clue what they are capable off, these are not nice people. Like I said we are talking about out of Merb, Merb is the exception. I personally will never use Leolist types of sites because my physical safety is in peril, not worth it for pussy. I just stick with the agencies on Merb or from strippers I meet at the clubs.
I have no problem with how people choose to protect themselves. My main intervention here was to ask what kind of ads you look at to feel like you need to walk in a place with a shining armour and a rosary.
And it clearly wasn’t for you since you already have what you need in your entourage
I was simply curious but then people took it so far from the main question as per usual
Ben voilà, that was my only question. If you go venture into uncertain terrains there are risks and yes you might need to tell your bestfriend that you’re going on a date in case.
Never heard of a man needing to do that before meeting A** M*** but she was one of a kind and wouldn’t advertise anywhere. I also feel like merb takes those things more seriously than other website so if you were to report an incident the person would be banned and unable to create a new account
sigh. yes, it was for me as well. You're being selective and cherry picking again. My "entourage" as you call it, had nothing to do with it, and yes, I used to see advertising SPs as well, and still see MPS. So, when do I need to leave behind or use a decoy wallet? as per the many previous entries in this thread:
If need be I'll go back and post the many repetitive threads about why sometimes it's necessary too, and in the situations that have nothing to do with MERB women. Or the many other repetitive threads about how SPs have the right to be safe and to choose how they approach their business. Or the many repetitive threads about how such precautions aren't necessary for the ladies like yourself on MERB or in the agencies. I know that you're an intelligent woman and I know you didn't miss these repetitive entries when you were reading. You also asked the question about what ads before, and I answered you, and then you came back with this latest not very subtle dig about the men being mad and about the women I see. I'm not mad about it, I'm not mad at you, and since it mostly doesn't apply to me now I don't care too much about the digs either. That's my business and it's only me that has to worry about it. I also understand that I'm not really the target and that it's the screening and deposits parts that concern you and the argument that you'd like to undermine. I don't really care about that either, because we've also discussed at length why it's fine for SPs to ask for it and that it's also every monger's decision as to whether they want to provide it or not. You have every right to post your preferences here the same as I do, although I'd argue that it would be more appropriate in another SP protection thread, but whatever. To each their own. Mine or anyone else's opinion doesn't need to be theirs. The fact of the matter is that this thread is directed at an audience larger than just those men who see ladies from MERB, which comprise an infinitesimal percentage of the overall population of SPs available to mongers here. I understand that you're one of them, that you're the guardian of your own business and not that of others, but most men are not going to be restricted to just seeing ladies from MERB and the agencies, and they deserve to have discussion around them too.
Anyway, if you want to express something just say it. The little digs are tiresome and non-productive. We don't need to keep going around in circles on this
I don’t understand why some men here are being challenged just for wanting to protect themselves in the hobby. As SPs, we take similar precautions - especially with new or unverified clients. There are horror stories on both sides, so safety should be a shared priority.
I also have a list of precautions I take when meeting new clients, but I prefer not to share them publicly. Since I’m the one offering a service and am reachable, I don’t want to give anyone ideas or compromise my safety. Clients offering safety tips or sharing their own precautions shouldn’t be frowned upon. Everyone has the right to protect themselves, and open dialogue helps make the hobby safer for everyone involved.
As Steve urquell said:
No I don’t used my real name
No I don’t use my real email address
No I don’t use my real phone number (I have 2 phones) like that song from Kevin gates.
I also have a list of precautions I take when meeting new clients, but I prefer not to share them publicly. Since I’m the one offering a service and am reachable, I don’t want to give anyone ideas or compromise my safety. Clients offering safety tips or sharing their own precautions shouldn’t be frowned upon. Everyone has the right to protect themselves, and open dialogue helps make the hobby safer for everyone involved.
As Steve urquell said:
No I don’t used my real name
No I don’t use my real email address
No I don’t use my real phone number (I have 2 phones) like that song from Kevin gates.
Actually, some men have been beaten up by SPs who had other men hiding in closets - yes, that’s a real thing. So men come here to talk about those experiences and the fear of it happening to them. Is it comparable to the dangers working girls face? Not at all. But that doesn’t make their fear invalid.
Put yourself in their positions of booking a new girl - I’m guaranteed you’d be shitting bricks at first.
And yes - men have been doxxed - with SPs threatening to expose them to wives, families, or even workplaces. Some men asked to be filmed - yet the these women release their photos or videos out of spite or blackmail. Is it as common as what women go through? Again, probably not. But it does happen, and pretending men are completely safe in every context oversimplifies the issue.
This doesn’t need to be a competition over who’s more at risk. Both sides take risks and have real concerns. Acknowledging one doesn’t erase the other. Safety should be a shared conversation - not a blame game and “who’s more at risk” scenarios.
I can only speak for myself, but yes. A roof and groceries are the main reasons why I do this job, the same reasons I did other jobs before
Clients who message me with a disrespectful or sloppy intro don’t even get to meet me. That’s step one in filtering. But even when someone seems amazing through text and raises no red flags…
That same client tries to stealth me at the time of the session - pushes me onto the bed, tells me not to question what he’s doing, and demand I turn around to not see him take off the condom.
This kind of distrust can absolutely happen to clients / men too. Honestly, if I were a guy, I’d be shitting bricks … I probably wouldn’t even be a hobbyist unless I’d spent reading at least a year’s worth of reviews on an SP first… so hats off to you horny bastards.
A counterexample would be clients who arrive at the agreed location, only to be asked for more money once they’re there (hence the fake wallet or only having the exact amount of cash).
Or with doxxing: parking further away / getting a second phone etc
That same client tries to stealth me at the time of the session - pushes me onto the bed, tells me not to question what he’s doing, and demand I turn around to not see him take off the condom.
This kind of distrust can absolutely happen to clients / men too. Honestly, if I were a guy, I’d be shitting bricks … I probably wouldn’t even be a hobbyist unless I’d spent reading at least a year’s worth of reviews on an SP first… so hats off to you horny bastards.
A counterexample would be clients who arrive at the agreed location, only to be asked for more money once they’re there (hence the fake wallet or only having the exact amount of cash).
Or with doxxing: parking further away / getting a second phone etc
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The only time I ask for IDs is if it’s a FMTY or a longer stay in another city or country with that same client. Most guys understand why. I also share their info with my MOMager so she always knows where I am, and I keep my location turned on the entire time.
But if I am offering incalls - no… because my mom or my friends know exactly where I am for X amount of time.
You may have met more escorts than I have because you are older but I believe escorts have been more honest with me than with you.
A lot of them have entered the industry to put a roof over their head, clothes on their back and food on their table. I would say a lot more than people entering to buy the latest Chanel.
You might be confused with the reason for staying
As you gain more experience, clientele and reputation. You might start making more money and getting used to a certain lifestyle which can make it very hard to go back to a regular job. In that sense you would be right
Before everything starts? That's a bad strategy. However, at the moment of validating consent, sometime I've been told this is an extra and you should pay $ more for it. I've learn from it and now I prefer to book someone with a clear description of what is included.
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