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2fast2slow · Jun 21, 2025

ive never once used an envelope. And I never had the money put aside in my wallet. I always count the money out in the open. 20...40...60...80...100...oh wait was that 80 or 100? let me start over: 20...40...60...80...100..150....160 there. But just to be sure im gonna count it again: 20...40...60...80...100..150....160! here you go thank you very much!

No girl has ever complained or even given me a funny look.

LC18 · Jun 21, 2025

2fast2slow said:
ive never once used an envelope. And I never had the money put aside in my wallet. I always count the money out in the open. 20...40...60...80...100...oh wait was that 80 or 100? let me start over: 20...40...60...80...100..150....160 there. But just to be sure im gonna count it again: 20...40...60...80...100..150....160! here you go thank you very much!

No girl has ever complained or even given me a funny look.

I find it extremely awkward when it happens. I don’t complain but that makes me feel very awkward and breaks the moment

Julia Sky · Jun 21, 2025

LC18 said:
I find it extremely awkward when it happens. I don’t complain but that makes me feel very awkward and breaks the moment

Same I don't say anything but it makes me very uncomfortable. I much prefer clients who count it in advance and have it ready for me when we're together without having to count. :/

Julia Sky · Jun 21, 2025

gaby said:
Quand je recevais/outcall/résidence.....je préparais toujours une ENVELOPPE pour y insérer l'argent.....de même qu'une coupe de vin avec assiette de fromage / fruits.....et je déposais le tout dans la salle de bain...avant son arrivée....et je l'invitais à passer à la salle de bain dès son arrivée...sans ma présence.....et pour son intimité/respect....et à sa sortie tout était joué...et toujours agréable.
En incall je plaçais aussi l'argent dans une enveloppe-----toujours trouvé ça plus discret---lui donnais dès mon arrivée avec aussi souvent une bouteille de vin.....elle appréciait....et encore là ça rendait la rencontre fort agréable.....lol.

Wait wait wait! Ce sont de superbes petites attentions. Par contre, le fromage aussi dans la salle de bain ? Haha j'ai une petite aversion à l'idée de manger (ou déposer de la nourriture) dans une salle de bain, ça aurait été dommage si c'était moi !

Mais l'argent dans la salle de bain cest aussi ma préférence personnellement.

Lunaseraphim · Jun 21, 2025

I don't personally mind it but I do find it more discreet when it's in an envelope, even better, a book! That's my favorite way to receive the donation, when a client has picked up a gem at the used book store for that purpose!

Lunaseraphim · Jun 21, 2025

Julia Sky said:
Wait wait wait! Ce sont de superbes petites attentions. Par contre, le fromage aussi dans la salle de bain ? Haha j'ai une petite aversion à l'idée de manger (ou déposer de la nourriture) dans une salle de bain, ça aurait été dommage si c'était moi !

Mais l'argent dans la salle de bain cest aussi ma préférence personnellement.

Honnêtement je suis awkward et des fois je me sens gênée de demander si l'enveloppe ou l'argent est pour moi lol. Je ne veux pas prendre ce qui ne m'appartient pas. C'est aussi pour ça que je demande qu'on m'offre la donation tout de suite. C'est juste pour me débarrasser de cette étape...

Maintenant même quand je vais me faire masser ou une séance de reiki je paye à l'avance

2fast2slow · Jun 21, 2025

LC18 said:
I find it extremely awkward when it happens. I don’t complain but that makes me feel very awkward and breaks the moment

really? i thought the fantasy was on our side not yours...i was being fascisious when i wrote that (I guess the joke fell flat), but its true i never used an envelope and sometimes i have actually counted in front of the girl. But genereally i do it while they are in the shower to be discreet.

Lunaseraphim · Jun 22, 2025

2fast2slow said:
really? i thought the fantasy was on our side not yours...i was being fascisious when i wrote that (I guess the joke fell flat), but its true i never used an envelope and sometimes i have actually counted in front of the girl. But genereally i do it while they are in the shower to be discreet.

My opinion on this is that you're showing the SP you are trustworthy by doing this, I've appreciated when people did this. But it's more ''romantic'' to put it in an envelope or a card or a book and sets a different atmosphere for the booking. It's a sweet gesture. However it's not necessary imo.

CLOUD 500 · Jun 22, 2025

LC18 said:
I find it extremely awkward when it happens. I don’t complain but that makes me feel very awkward and breaks the moment

I had a situation once, this was with one my regulars I been seeing since 5 years, when I gave her the donation she texted me the day after to tell me that she was $50 short. I was confused because I counted the bills and I had the right amount and that is what I told her. She got back to me and said it was good and that it was the bank that miscounted the bills. Since that incident I always count the bills in front of the SP to ensure there is no counting errors. I will not do it as 2fast2slow said, I will simply count the bills in front of her so she can see I gave her the correct amount. That is to ensure that there is no misunderstanding or problem with the donation. It is for my piece of mind because getting a text telling me that I under payed a SP is very nerve racking to me.

Halloween Mike · Jun 22, 2025

Lunaseraphim said:
Does this mean you would wait to pay after the service?

I just don't advise doing this. I've had clients (very, very few!!) tell me they don't want to pay until after the service over text, and I refused seeing them. Because this is giving them the power to leave without paying, and yes, it does happen. It's never happened to me, but there are countless stories. I've had a guy run out without paying at a massage parlor once, too, after he spontaneously asked for an extra and told me he'd pay later. In my opinion clients should pay upfront. Not all SPs have reviews, too, and many of us started by posting on leolist.

When i started (and yes im aware this was over 15 years ago now...man i feel old saying this) the words on the board was to never pay in advance. The Agencies were a bit all over the place, you had some gems like today, but there was some pretty bad apples and it seem agencies were less concerned on "keeping a high reputation" like these days. I mean these days you barely get any rude bookers unless you realy do something wrong (this was very common back then), everything is more structured (less delays, less cancellations) and agencies seem much more selective on who they work with. Maybe my memory do me bad but i remember everybody telling me (the newbie) to pay at the end. Not just backpage or such (Leolist previous incarnation lol).

But just like Cloud i am fine paying in advance for advertisers here (indies or agencies) these days. But if i was booking someone on LL, without other online presence, i would not... I would be ok to show it but i would say "ill give it to you at the end". Too much scams coming from there. I understand some may start from there as you say but its a lot riskier for us clients believe it or not especially if its an incall. And the last i would want to do in an outcall is if i pay in advance and she pull the "i forget something in the car" like what are my options? I don't want to have to insist on getting back the payment before she do...

Lunaseraphim said:
Voila ça c'est la bonne façon de faire.

Im just not sure about the foods in the bathroom part

Seem a bit weird to me. Unless i misread.

Halloween Mike · Jun 22, 2025

Lunaseraphim said:
My opinion on this is that you're showing the SP you are trustworthy by doing this, I've appreciated when people did this. But it's more ''romantic'' to put it in an envelope or a card or a book and sets a different atmosphere for the booking. It's a sweet gesture. However it's not necessary imo.

When i was mostly receiving outcall back then i would usually put the money in a pile under the phone (like half is under, but its clearly visible) on the night table. Most SPs would not touch it til it was done. The few that took it right away often turned to be more of a "transactional" meetup, less "warm and gfe if you prefer". If they would litterally count it right away it was even more of a bad sign.

But when i switched to incall (mostly) i now use envelopes too. Sometimes its a white blank envelope (cause my mother bough a box of them so we not short) but sometimes i use the one i get with my mastercard bill

(yes i still get it by post, don't judge me). Only difference is there is mastercard adress on it ... but otherwise no personal infos. I used to throw them in the recycle bin, but hey now i got a second use for them

At home i have a "fake book" like in the movies (and a few other items) where i store cash, and once i showed it to the person i received, let her open the book, i found it funny to watch her face. I 100% trust her so had no issue.

As for the counting, i do it like 5 times before putting the envelope in my pockets before heading to Montreal so i know its the right ammount.Only thing that may change is when i see someone in agency and have no idea how the extra is gonna cost (or if its offered). In that case they normally have no issue for me to pay it at the end. I mean lets say we discuss after im out of the shower, i would need to get up, pull out the wallet, go back to wash my hands again... i dunno, feel a bit weird. With indies its (usually) possible to set everything right away during booking.

Lunaseraphim · Jun 22, 2025

Halloween Mike said:
When i was mostly receiving outcall back then i would usually put the money in a pile under the phone (like half is under, but its clearly visible) on the night table. Most SPs would not touch it til it was done. The few that took it right away often turned to be more of a "transactional" meetup, less "warm and gfe if you prefer". If they would litterally count it right away it was even more of a bad sign.

But when i switched to incall (mostly) i now use envelopes too. Sometimes its a white blank envelope (cause my mother bough a box of them so we not short) but sometimes i use the one i get with my mastercard bill (yes i still get it by post, don't judge me). Only difference is there is mastercard adress on it ... but otherwise no personal infos. I used to throw them in the recycle bin, but hey now i got a second use for them

At home i have a "fake book" like in the movies (and a few other items) where i store cash, and once i showed it to the person i received, let her open the book, i found it funny to watch her face. I 100% trust her so had no issue.

As for the counting, i do it like 5 times before putting the envelope in my pockets before heading to Montreal so i know its the right ammount.Only thing that may change is when i see someone in agency and have no idea how the extra is gonna cost (or if its offered). In that case they normally have no issue for me to pay it at the end. I mean lets say we discuss after im out of the shower, i would need to get up, pull out the wallet, go back to wash my hands again... i dunno, feel a bit weird. With indies its (usually) possible to set everything right away during booking.

If I take the money right away, it's not because I want the meeting to be "more transactional".. it's because I'm afraid of forgetting about it. It's actually the other way around, I want to get the transaction out of the way to have peace of mind and fully enjoy the booking and give a warm GFE service as you say...

The only reason why I'm writing this here is because I want ppl to know it's no reason to get turned off if the SP wants the money upfront

I like to follow a routine during bookings, not in a way that is cold and mechanical of course.. but because I want to optimize our time together. I like to arrive to my incall, shower, put on music, light candles, make myself pretty etc. When the client arrives I ask for the money upfront and then I forget about it completely until after he's gone. It feels weird saying goodbye and taking the money, I'd rather take my time to hug the gentleman, ask him how he feels etc..

One thing I will say tho is that I never count the money in front of clients at the beginning of a booking because that feels weird to me. If I'm given an envelope or pile of cash I just put it away and will find another moment to count. For regular clients I usually trust them they gave me the right amount.

I got short changed maybe 2 or 3 times and I had a gut feeling I should check the money. One time a guy who books a lot of escorts gave me 100$ less. He actually had it and gave it to me, he just wanted to see if he could get away with it and I wouldn't notice...

It makes sense if you're hiring girls from agencies that they're ok until they get paid at the end, it might also be because they know you're a good client already. As an indy I have absolutely no idea when I meet someone new, even if I screen.

Halloween Mike · Jun 22, 2025

Lunaseraphim said:
If I take the money right away, it's not because I want the meeting to be "more transactional"..

It makes sense if you're hiring girls from agencies that they're ok until they get paid at the end, it might also be because they know you're a good client already. As an indy I have absolutely no idea when I meet someone new, even if I screen.

I understood your point no worry. But yeah it seem to be a vastly different thing between agencies and indies when it comes to logistic. I mean yes i know indies often started in agencies but what i mean is that, especially in the past when agencies were more "lenient" toward who they represented, there was a lot more "transactional SPs" in agencies. That didn't meant they were bad at it, don't get me wrong. It just mean the "warm GFE lover feeling" was less there. Sometimes i would book some girls and they would lay out the menu right away right after saying hi lol. Sometimes conversation was awkyward. But then once the sex part started, they were great

So if they were hot, i didn't minded, especially at the time as i had less experience and was younger.

Lunaseraphim · Jun 22, 2025

Halloween Mike said:
I understood your point no worry. But yeah it seem to be a vastly different thing between agencies and indies when it comes to logistic. I mean yes i know indies often started in agencies but what i mean is that, especially in the past when agencies were more "lenient" toward who they represented, there was a lot more "transactional SPs" in agencies. That didn't meant they were bad at it, don't get me wrong. It just mean the "warm GFE lover feeling" was less there. Sometimes i would book some girls and they would lay out the menu right away right after saying hi lol. Sometimes conversation was awkyward. But then once the sex part started, they were great So if they were hot, i didn't minded, especially at the time as i had less experience and was younger.

I think the issue is that they're seeing several people in a row.. and it's not their fault.

sometimes they could just be shy too, and new. It took me a while to get comfortable. Now I'm confident I offer a great GFE service but when I started I was very awkward.

LeDodo · Monday at 7:13 AM

I try to give the donation the most seamlessly as possible. For me or the provider (I guess) I found it awkward the counting, discussion or asking part during the session. I don't mind it when discussing online to avoid any quiproquo.
I make sure the correct amount is in an envelope.

I usually have a handful of things in hands like my phone, wallet, watch and the envelope that I make visible when going in.

So I just drop it off somewhere with the envelope fully visible.

I like a little shower refreshment just to make sure everything is clean and presentable lol
So I let this moment to allow all the checking to be done not so awkwardly.

First time visiting the envelope was gone. At my 2nd my visit the envelope was still there and I felt at ease to see that she didn't check or leave it because trust has been built (I guess lol)

Giselle Montreal · Monday at 9:25 AM

LeDodo said:
First time visiting the envelope was gone. At my 2nd my visit the envelope was still there and I felt at ease to see that she didn't check or leave it because trust has been built (I guess lol)

It happened to a girl I know that her regular quickly left at the end of one meeting with the enveloppe (still full) while she was busy doing something else. Now that I know, I don't leave the money in an accessible spot. Comme on dit "l'occasion fait le laron"; one wouldn't go out of their way to do something bad for their benefit, but if they have a beautiful occasion offered on a silver platter, the chances are greater they do it.

LeDodo · Monday at 9:26 AM

Giselle Montreal said:
It happened to a girl I know that her regular quickly left at the end of one meeting with the enveloppe (still full) while she was busy doing something else. Now that I know, I don't leave the money in an accessible spot. Comme on dit "l'occasion fait le laron"; one wouldn't go out of their way to do something bad for their benefit, but if they have a beautiful occasion offered on a silver platter, the chances are greater they do it.

Such a bad experience. I would assume that this regular is not anymore and has disappeared ...

Lunaseraphim · Monday at 9:38 AM

Giselle Montreal said:
It happened to a girl I know that her regular quickly left at the end of one meeting with the enveloppe (still full) while she was busy doing something else. Now that I know, I don't leave the money in an accessible spot. Comme on dit "l'occasion fait le laron"; one wouldn't go out of their way to do something bad for their benefit, but if they have a beautiful occasion offered on a silver platter, the chances are greater they do it.

That's awful.. I usually put the envelope away not because I don't trust the client but I want to get it over with. There's a lot about interactions between providers and clients that are about trust but it goes both ways.. someone has to prove they are trustworthy

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