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I predict that Cespedes will become a huge star in Detroit. I also believe that the other players they obtained for Porcello will be serviceable players for the next few years.
Doc, you often say a lot of intelligent things in this thread. This post confounds me. Cespedes has been a decent player for his three years in the US. Why would he suddenly turn into a huge star? As for the players the Tigers got from the Sox, yes, Wilson, a decent middle reliever and nothing more, is likely to be serviceable. The other guy, Speier, is a 19 year old kid with a total of 23 innings at the lowest level of the minor leagues. Yes, he might be serviceable, or even more, but he's at least 4-5 years away from the bigs.

As for Miley, he's a control pitcher who relies a lot on his slider since his fastball is in the low 90's at best. However, for whatever reason, he wound up walking over 3 hitters per nine innings last season.
I didn't know much about Miley, but he's much more than a control pitcher. He's an extreme ground ball pitcher who strikes out 7 per 9, up to 8.2 per 9 last year. His ERA is a full point lower out of Arizona, where balls fly out, and the infielders were awful.

I expect the Sox to do more, but they really don't have to. Their rotation is decent not great, but with a power packed lineup and superb defense, they're ready to contend in a weak division where their only real competition, as of now, comes from the Blue Jays. Give them Hamels or Shields, either of whom would put them over the luxury tax threshold, and they become very tough to beat.

I must say that these were the most entertaining, action-packed winter meetings in years. Too bad Brian Cashman slept through them.
 

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BOYZ,

When I heard about the Sox trades last night and the analysis of who they got I said to myself...YIKES. The new trades I heard about this morning left my with another word...ugggh. Let's just say that encouraging it's NOT!!! I was especially put off about how little the Sox got when they included Rubby De La Rosa in these trades. Yes, he's inconsistent but he showed some pop in his pitching at times. I would have expected something more for De La Rosa combined with other players. There was talk on WEEI Cespedes might be combined with others in a trade for a top notch pitcher. Guess not...peeeeuuuu.

When I put together price and potential return I'm not happy with the Red Sox deals overall. When I look at overall improvement I'm even less impressed. I hope the additions are not over because if they are starting pitching is going to be a roller coaster on very questionable tracks.

ISH,

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Doc, you often say a lot of intelligent things in this thread. This post confounds me. Cespedes has been a decent player for his three years in the US. Why would he suddenly turn into a huge star?

Just a gut feeling.

I expect the Sox to do more, but they really don't have to. Their rotation is decent not great, but with a power packed lineup and superb defense, they're ready to contend in a weak division where their only real competition, as of now, comes from the Blue Jays. Give them Hamels or Shields, either of whom would put them over the luxury tax threshold, and they become very tough to beat.

I must say that these were the most entertaining, action-packed winter meetings in years. Too bad Brian Cashman slept through them.

I agree.
 

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When I heard about the Sox trades last night and the analysis of who they got I said to myself...YIKES. The new trades I heard about this morning left my with another word...ugggh. Let's just say that encouraging it's NOT!!! I was especially put off about how little the Sox got when they included Rubby De La Rosa in these trades. Yes, he's inconsistent but he showed some pop in his pitching at times. I would have expected something more for De La Rosa combined with other players. There was talk on WEEI Cespedes might be combined with others in a trade for a top notch pitcher. Guess not...peeeeuuuu.

When I put together price and potential return I'm not happy with the Red Sox deals overall. When I look at overall improvement I'm even less impressed. I hope the additions are not over because if they are starting pitching is going to be a roller coaster on very questionable tracks.

I have to agree with you. I was impressed with De La Rosa last season. I'm surprised that's all they got back by including him in the transaction. I was even more surprised to see that all they got back for trading Cespedes (whom i've always liked) was Rick Porcello (whom i never liked much). Plus they gave up even more players for him.

I was even more surprised that they brought back Masterson, whose career is on the way down. Had the Yankees or Orioles signed him i wouldn't have been as surprised. Time will tell how good today's moves will turn out.
 

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I have to agree with you. I was impressed with De La Rosa last season. I'm surprised that's all they got back by including him in the transaction. I was even more surprised to see that all they got back for trading Cespedes (whom i've always liked) was Rick Porcello (whom i never liked much). Plus they gave up even more players for him.

I was even more surprised that they brought back Masterson, whose career is on the way down. Had the Yankees or Orioles signed him i wouldn't have been as surprised. Time will tell how good today's moves will turn out.
Did you know that Rick Porcello is two months older than Rubby de la Rosa? Surprised, eh, since Porcello is a six year MLB veteran and de la Rosa is still trying to establish enough consistency to stay in the big leagues. I love de la Rosa's stuff, but he's wildly inconsistent. That's why Porcello is going to make over $10 M this year, while de la Rosa is still playing for the minimum. Porcello is only 25 and had a breakout year last year.

Did you know that Wade Miley had better numbers than Jon Lester in 2013 and 2012? Miley and Porcello don't give the Sox studs, but they do give them solid, consistent middle of the rotation guys. It's still quite possible that de la Rosa never becomes a big league pitcher...and that's why you trade him for Wade Miley.

I can't explain the Masterson move. I would hardly say, however, that his career is on the way down. He's 29 and coming off an injury plagued season. With all of this done, the Sox traded none of their top prospects.
 

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I like Cespedis but I do not know how the Tigers replace Percello and Scherzer? I don't understand this move. Porcello has been getting better and better. Ricky threw 3 complete game shutouts last year and in my mind deserved to be an all-star. He has also picked up a few mph on his fastball and he has morphed into a bit of a strike out pitcher from a ground ball pitcher.

To me the Porcello for Cespidis has to be a better deal then last years Fister for a handful of magic beans. With the loss of Fister, Porcello, the nearly certain loss of Scherzer, and with Verlander a 3rd or 4th starter...the vaunted Tiger pitching is no more. I have lost confidence in Dave Dombrowski.
 

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I like Cespedis but I do not know how the Tigers replace Percello and Scherzer? I don't understand this move. Porcello has been getting better and better. Ricky threw 3 complete game shutouts last year and in my mind deserved to be an all-star. He has also picked up a few mph on his fastball and he has morphed into a bit of a strike out pitcher from a ground ball pitcher.

Porcello (why does that name remind me of a pig?) will be a free agent after this season. My guess is that the Tigers figured they wouldn't be re-signing him, so getting Cespedes and the other two players was worth the gamble. Even if they don't re-sign Cespedes, they'll still have Wilson & Speier with the organization. But i wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Cabrera and Martinez won't convince Cespedes to make Detroit his home for years to come.

Porkie's loss will surely be felt this season if they stay put. However, i'd be surprised if the Tigers don't make more moves to bolster their starting pitching. And whether they do or not, the trade was made with the future in mind.
 

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Even if they don't re-sign Cespedes, they'll still have Wilson & Speier with the organization.
Wilson's a decent but very replaceable middle reliever. Speier has very limited experience and only at the very lowest level of the minors. 75% of guys like him never reach AA.

While the Sox haven't gotten a front line starter (yet), they did get what they (and the Yankees) desperately needed: three quality arms who can be counted to get them nearly 600 innings. While the Sox don't have an ace, there really are only two in the division. The Orioles don't have an ace, the Jays don't have an ace and the Yankee ace has a torn UCL. That leaves Alex Cobb as the only fully healthy ace in the division.
 

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Porcello (why does that name remind me of a pig?) will be a free agent after this season. My guess is that the Tigers figured they wouldn't be re-signing him, so getting Cespedes and the other two players was worth the gamble. Even if they don't re-sign Cespedes, they'll still have Wilson & Speier with the organization. But i wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Cabrera and Martinez won't convince Cespedes to make Detroit his home for years to come.

Porkie's loss will surely be felt this season if they stay put. However, i'd be surprised if the Tigers don't make more moves to bolster their starting pitching. And whether they do or not, the trade was made with the future in mind.

Both Porcello and Masterson have more than 4.00 career ERA's. You wonder if it is panic time in Beantown?
 

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Coming in dead last twice in 3 years with one "fluke" season thrown in between would necessitate "panic"

The sox "might" have climbed to 4th in the east with their moves so far but it would not surprise many to see them end up back in the basement. The Yanks need a starter to shore up the rotation and maybe a bat coming off the bench to contend for a playoff spot and beyond.
Both Porcello and Masterson have more than 4.00 career ERA's. You wonder if it is panic time in Beantown?
 

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The Sox have added about 600 quality innings to their starting rotation. How are the "Bombers" doing? Here's last years staff. Let's look at what they added and lost:

Kuroda (32) retired? -200 innings
*Tanaka (20) torn UCL, will he even pitch in 2015
Phelps (17) meh
McCarthy (14) Dodgers -90 innings
Greene (14) D’backs -78 innings
Nuno (14) D’backs -83 innings
*Pineda (13) injury prone
Whitley (12) who cares
Capuano (12) ditto -65 innings
Sabathia (8) bum knees
Nova (4) Tommy John
Rogers (1) really?

The Yankees have lost 515 innings, replaced none, and have not so much as one starting pitcher they can count on for 2015. Will someone please awaken Brian Cashdollar from his long winter's slumber.
 

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Coming in dead last twice in 3 years with one "fluke" season thrown in between would necessitate "panic".

What's ironic is despite all the moves they made, the Red Sox really only had one to make if they wanted to get back to being contenders & they failed to make it: FIRE THAT INCOMPETENT MANAGER OF THEIRS.
 

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Great point! Where should the luckiest manager of all time spend his days? Well at the happiest place of all time, no not Cleo's! Farrell could actually be the stunt double for this guy in the video as well and JF already has working in a dumpster on his resume so him playing the trash cans is not as far fetched as it might seem. Me thinks Johnny boy would be right at home in Orlando.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNrFAoFj4Ag

Who knows, maybe farrell really is "goofy" , that does look like a boston cap he has on :lol:


What's ironic is despite all the moves they made, the Red Sox really only had one to make if they wanted to get back to being contenders & they failed to make it: FIRE THAT INCOMPETENT MANAGER OF THEIRS.
 

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What's ironic is despite all the moves they made, the Red Sox really only had one to make if they wanted to get back to being contenders & they failed to make it: FIRE THAT INCOMPETENT MANAGER OF THEIRS.
A friend of mine, the author of "Paths to Glory: How Great Baseball Teams Got That Way" and a lifelong Sox fan, tweeted after the Cubs signed Lester, "Whew, the Sox just dodged a bullet." Quick, name the last time a team signed a 30 year old pitcher to a long term deal that worked out? Still thinking? Keep working on it. Still drawing a blank? The Sox now have five solid starters, all 2s through 4s, all but Buchholz guys who will give them good innings. If they need help at the deadline, they have the $$ to do it.

Quick, how many teams in the AL East have an ace? (Skip any who might have a torn ACL.) If your answer is 1 and you named Alex Cobb, good for you.

BTW, you know who tried to trade for Miley and Porcello? "Brian Cashman said he’s tried to enhance his starting pitcher, and kicked the tires on Porcello and Miley, but he didn’t have a Cespedes to trade to the D'backs or Tigers."
 

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I hate to say it....i really do....but Tanaka is the best pitcher in the AL East in my opinion.

He's pitched half a season in his MLB career, Doc. He's good but is he durable enough to handle an entire MLB season?
 

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I hate to say it....i really do....but Tanaka is the best pitcher in the AL East in my opinion.
He is, no doubt, when he's not rehabbing. He still has a torn ACL. The question is not IF he'll need Tommy John surgery, but WHEN.

He's pitched half a season in his MLB career, Doc. He's good but is he durable enough to handle an entire MLB season?
He probably will be durable enough after, about 15 months after, the surgery. Given the sorry state of the Yankee roster, they probably ought to do in now and get it over with.
 

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Yankees bring back Chase Headley for 4 years/$52 million

The Yankees chose to bring back third baseman Chase Headley and he'll immediately become the team's starting third baseman. A-Rod will likely DH.

Personally, i think it's a bit of steep price to pay for an average & injury-prone third baseman with a bad back, but he fit in well with the team at the end of last season and the team obviously had no interest in handing back the third base job to A-Rod.
 

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Just as I predicted last year when the Yanks traded for him that if he played well overall (which he did) they would likely sign him to a new deal. This means Prado will play 2b and not rush the developement of the 2 young prospects that were thought to challenge for the 2b job but if injuries occur (and they likely will in a 162 game season) we will see one or both of Pirela/Refsnyder at 2b sometime in 2015.

With Headley/Didi G/Prado/Tex/McCann, that is one heck of a defensive infield and possibly the games best, Prado being the less of a defensive wiz than the other 4 but still very good at second.

Good signing by Cashman.
 
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