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Jamesrenard44

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"the lower end of the commercial sex scene"

So girl in agencies are in the lower end of the commercial sex scene. Lol. Perfect example of something that you are not aware of. Plenty of SP of reputable agencies won't see black man. Or won't see black man that haven't spent time with their "SP" friends. I'll say it again, it's their way of doing business and we have nothing to say about it. I've had pleasant exchange with bookers and they don't old a grundge towards black man. But I surely prefer to have a discussion with a Booker and to be told by him who's willing to see me or not than having a stupid mention of "no black man". Why? Like I said before, 50% of them will ask you you're age and will be willing to meet with you once they feel comfortable.

There's a major difference in saying "no black man" vs saying no thugs or pimps....
 

Halloween Mike

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No, I'm not sure I understand...

How is the guy suppose to guess that she doesn't want Black men if she doesn't tell him or ask him? Because half the ads say "No Black Men" he has to assume that she must've forgot to write it in her ad like all the other girls do?

Again, Black men should not have to let an escort know about his race unless she asks him first. White men don't have to go through that process... I sure don't tell stripclubs I'm Black if they don't ask me. Why should I?


I don't think you get my point:

"No Black Men" should not be seen in ads, regardless of the reason motivating these three words. And don't care if she's racist or not, "No Black Men" still comes off racist as it only targets Black men. And it would still be racist if it targeted Browns and Arabs, etc, too...

well "No Black Men" is also very untasteful. And I'm only using that word because many seem to disagree when I say it's ignorant, racist, insulting and offensive.

Some SPs have a "form" on there website and ask what nationality you are, even if your white you have to disclose it. I really don't see what you consider racist in "no black men". Would it be better if it was "no african-american"? I really don't understand why you fix so much on it. An ads have to be straight to the point. Its not to make a novel on why they don't want to see certain peoples.

Also i forgot earlier so i want to come back on this...

Agency owners (majority are White) are pimps too, out of 200$ the girls keeps 150$...

So you think that the agency services should not be paid? Some providers who get "well known" in agency sometimes go indy and then decide to go back to agencies cause being an indy mean you have to do everything by yourself, or hire a "friend" to answer the calls , do the planning and maybe drive. Again i don't think this friend do it all of his good heart. Agency have lots of stuff to pay, website fees for instance are not cheap, merb ads (as indy you pay it by yourself, but in agency its done by them) then the booker wich is sometimes the owner as well have to take all the calls, text, emails, coordinate everything. I done it... trust me it ain't that easy.

And finally the drivers, some girls can be allow to drive themselves in wich case they keep the driver cut, but otherwise the driver provide his car, his fuel, the girls don't have to bother with parking wich is a nightmare in montreal, and so on.

The concept of agency applies to other domain as well, the porn industry, the regular movies, modeling, even HOCKEY and other sports. Does the agent play the game, train hard to keep shape etc? Nop, but he help negociate the better contract , and give his advice to his player. Agent are in lots of domain. Those fees are expensives. So no i don't think regular agencies are "pimps" .
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
And I'm only using that word because many seem to disagree when I say it's ignorant, racist, insulting and offensive.

No it is not, it is what the escort wants and no one should question it. It may not be tasteful but the message was clear, should there be an explanation such as, No black men because one or two tried to force me to work for them plus a few of my friends have had bad encounters? I am not one to be politically correct, I actually dislike the politically correct crowd, politically correct to whose standards?
Anyways, this should not be an issue to anyone, you see an ad that excludes you and you move on to someone that will accept you, there are many.
 

jalimon

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STN I so much completely agree with you except the fact that it has nothing to do with politically correct or not.

In fact most black indy I see also do not see black client. For the exact same reason white girl. I feel bad for 99% of black gentlemen that are screwed by the 1% (or much less...).

And you are right, the girl should state it in her ads. Not doing so will make everyone loose their time and grow frustration.

Cheers,
 

CLOUD 500

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MochaLaMulata,

This is one post I disagree with. I see no use to sweetcoat or hide the fact that a certain escort does not want to book a client due to him being Black. It is what it is no matter how bad it looks it better to be real about it and post it. Me personally I rather read it then to call and then a girl makes excuses and stories to avoid a booking. If she does not want to book me I would want to know why.
 

CLOUD 500

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Everyone keeps on going with it is the escort's right to refuse for whatever reason but I think people are turning a blind eye to convert racism. It is so normal to see no Black men but how many times did we read no fat man, no smelly man, no old man, no young man. Blacks seem to constantly be targeted and we can see from this board how acceptable it is. Stripclubs have a quota on Black girls and this seems to be quiet normal for them. Quebec is one of the top places in Canada for covert racism and we can see this in the provincial government pushing for Bill 62. As long as people accept it and say it is okay it will keep on going on. On another note over 95% of clients are White so no escort has the option to ban White clients doing so would mean her income would decrease to almost nothing. A escort who bans Black clients does not loose much financially.
 

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I respectfully disagree with the notion that what agency owners do is “easy money.” I happen to know two owners quite well and they bust their ass every day they work. Regular 16-18 hour days, dealing with all the drama from working with 18-22 year old girls, booking calls, replying to client complaints, driving the girls for outcalls, etc. I personally don’t think I could ever do it myself. I worry for their health sometimes and that’s why I’ve encouraged both of them to take at least a few days off and go on a mini vacation somewhere just to relax and not have to worry at least for a short while.
 

Julia Sky

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On another note over 95% of clients are White

Absolutely not ! I guess it depends which girl you ask... But in my case it's definitely not that ratio lol
 

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Julia is right....she usually is.

From my observation the client base is 70% white, of whom one quarter are second generation Italian, Greek and Jewish. The rest of the whites are French Canadian , Anglo Canadians and American sex tourists. The 30% visible minority group is made up of Pacific Asians, South Asians .Blacks, Arabs and Latins. In other words its proportional to the Montreal population during the Just for Laughs festival.

BTW who the girl sees is also dependent on where she or her agency advertise most.
 

Julia Sky

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Let me explain when I say it depends which girl you ask :

I have a theory that it depends on both the girl's nationality and her frame, as fool as it may sound. Latinas may see more latinos than other girls, or maybe they see less because guys usually look for something different... And some cultures have a predominant preference for curvier women vs some have a thing for thinner women. Of course not every black guy prefers curves and not every asian guy prefers slim girls, but I do think it may affect the ratio a bit.

I also think non-white guys may refrain from seeing a girl who writes "No Blacks" even though they are not black. When you're something other than white you deal with racial bullshit all the time, lots of arabs for example wouldn't give their business to girls who write such statements because they don't approve of it. So that makes for a higher percentage of white customers for those girls, I think.

I don't have infused science. These are just possibilities.
 

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I agree with Julia. I am white, but would be very skeptical about booking with any lady who has a “no blacks” restriction for reasons mentioned by Patron. In the USA, I have only seen these restrictions in the Deep South and it’s a sign that the lady is trailer trash, who dates a guy who has a confederate flag hanging on his front porch. It’s a sign, albeit maybe not necessarily a conclusive one, that the lady is lower class, uneducated, closed minded.
 

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I agree with Julia. I am white, but would be very skeptical about booking with any lady who has a “no blacks” restriction for reasons mentioned by Patron.

You'd be surprised how many Montreal sps refuse to see black guys. They simply don't adverstise it. I've met many over the years who told me (while discussing their restrictions) that they prefer or simply don't see black guys. I was very surprised several times when some of my regulars would also tell me this. Some even told me they despised kissing clients when kissing was always advertised or reviewed as something a particular girl would do very well. Several times i'd ask a 'regular' if she'd be interested in having a threesome with myself and another guy and i'd often get the reply "sure as long as the other client isn't a black guy." The excuse i'd hear more often would be "i'm not racist or anything but every time I or some other girl got ripped off the client just happened to be a black guy." I got the impression some of them who told me this wouldn't have a problem seeing a black guy off the job.
 

Halloween Mike

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Stripclubs have a quota on Black girls and this seems to be quiet normal for them.

Its just a business decision. Nothing more. They want the more peoples in there club. Usually black girls attrack less white clients, statistically speaking. The girls is the premiere reason why the clients go into this place. Not the beer, not the food(if any), not the big monitor on the walls like regular bars that show sports, not the music either, peoples go there for the girls, so thats totally normal the type and look of the girl is relevant to the owner unlike a regular business like a restaurant where the premiere reason you go there is the food. Yes refusing to hire a peron of color in a restaurant, that would be racisms. Why does all waitress in Strib Club are hot too? Why no old ladies or fat ladies? Because its not what the clients are looking for.

Personally ill be honest, a very big % of the black girls of african descent i see i don't have much attractiveness to them sexually. But sometimes there is that one that i just find "WOW". But im really into mixed girls tough. For instance new pornstar Nia Nacci. She is hot as hell. Really depend on the person itself for me. But does it make me racist to not be sexually attracked to most black girls i see? I sure don't think so.

In the sex business the "race factor" does not "count" if i can say. Cause its a much much more different business than anything else. I couldn't care less what gender, race, or age is the waitress(or waiter) at the restaurant, if the food is good, and obviously the service is properly done, ill be happy. I go there to eat, not to be sexually turned on. But when seeing an escort or going to a SC, i do this to be sexually aroused so obviously the person wich ill have physical content with is super important.

I find it astonishing we still have that discussion.

A Black man should not be considered a pimp just because he runs his own agency or has only 1-2 girls working for him, but provides the same service as an actual agency in the likes of the ones posting on Merb. You know, it's many people's dream to be an agency owner, everybody loves and wants easy money...

Obviously , you are right on this, exept the part about easy money, cause as ssj3 says, it ain't that easy...
 

jalimon

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Quebec is one of the top places in Canada for covert racism and we can see this in the provincial government pushing for Bill 62.*= covert racist comment!

Being able to see the face of the person who vote is covert racism? Would you hop on a plane knowing your seat neibhor or even the pilot would have been able to cross custom completely covered?

At some point we need to stop thinking about racism or religion and just think common senses no?

Cheers,
 

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I was making a point about not confusing a real pimp (whatever the color),

A Black man should not be considered a pimp just because he runs his own agency or has only 1-2 girls working for him, but provides the same service as an actual agency in the likes of the ones posting on Merb. You know, it's many people's dream to be an agency owner, everybody loves and wants easy money...

Agencies and the people who are running it, run it as a business, they work hard, liked by the clients,
liked by the girls, overall good atmosphere, don't act like one can't see them as "Pimps"

Usually they DON'T MAKE YHE NEWS, unlike like "Real Pimps" ???


http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-man-charged-with-kidnapping-pimping-1.3300766

https://globalnews.ca/news/2822428/montreal-police-arrest-3-in-canada-wide-prostitution-ring/

http://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/07/21/four-men-charged-with-pimping-16-year-old-in-peel-region/
 

CLOUD 500

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Its just a business decision. Nothing more. They want the more peoples in there club. Usually black girls attrack less white clients, statistically speaking. The girls is the premiere reason why the clients go into this place. Not the beer, not the food(if any), not the big monitor on the walls like regular bars that show sports, not the music either, peoples go there for the girls, so thats totally normal the type and look of the girl is relevant to the owner unlike a regular business like a restaurant where the premiere reason you go there is the food. Yes refusing to hire a peron of color in a restaurant, that would be racisms. Why does all waitress in Strib Club are hot too? Why no old ladies or fat ladies? Because its not what the clients are looking for.

Personally ill be honest, a very big % of the black girls of african descent i see i don't have much attractiveness to them sexually. But sometimes there is that one that i just find "WOW".

I find it astonishing we still have that discussion.

Only White people say this is astonishing btw since this is not something that affects them. Having said that you mean you are making this post based on your own personal taste in women? I mean you like big fake tits but many of us cannot stand them. And Cleopatra is a club full of chubby out of shape and older women near their stripping career retirement and it is busy as ever? Do you think everyone like what you like? BTW I have been going to the bars for 20 years and I never seen a club owner hire girls on a business decision it is usually based on his personal taste. 10/35 for example over over 50% Black girls and it is almost all White clients and they love the Black girls. The owner likes Black girls and so does the booker so there are many of them. The manager at Doric loves Black girls so there are many of them there. Depends on their personal taste. La Broussaile at Quebec has mostly Black girls and the White guys love them. Chez Carole at Quebec has many Black girls and that is because the DJ loves them and so do the White clients. Cabaret JR at Jonquiere btw this is in cow country with mostly country White folks the club has mostly Black girls and the country folks love them. Need I go on? I was once at L'Axe and I chatted with a guy and he told me that he never had a chance to try a Black girl since he never sees them... Well L'Axe had many of them and he tried. I know someone who tried a Black girl some years ago and he since switched and he is a White guy btw. Moral is cover racism exists and White people understate its existence or try to discredit it but that is because it does not touch them or affect them the least bit. Covert racism is racism but done in a secret and indirect way. Clubs enforcing a quota is a way for them to tell you that only a White woman is beautiful and we choose for you take a White woman or none. You prefer pornstar girls good for you. Me I am not turned on by that the least bit. I know many White guys who are also not turned on by that. I will be honest also a very big percentage of Quebecois women especially the pure laines ones I got not much attractiveness to them sexually even their face does not turn me on but I seen some real hotties like the ultra gorgeous model types with the tan and natural perky tits but they are always low mileage. So stop assuming that everyone likes what you like that is a over generalization.
 
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Halloween Mike

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you are making this post based on your own personal taste in women? I mean you like big fake tits but many of us cannot stand them. And Cleopatra is a club full of chubby out of shape and older women near their stripping career retirement and it is busy as ever? Do you think everyone like what you like? Clubs enforcing a quota is a way for them to tell you that only a White woman is beautiful and we choose for you take a White woman or none.

You took some of what i said out of context. Its not about my personal taste but whats good for business. Good if Cleopatra is doing good. Good if La Brouissaille is still doing good. For having been to that place many years ago i do remember it being way cheaper than a lot of other places and the girls being giving "extras" in booth (my friend i was with got some). Look at humpshies/annonce 123 and such, lots of girls clearly nowhere near the standard of montreal agencies but offering cheap prices, so they still attrack some business. Im always shocked when i hear reviews of guys going to a place and getting robbed/bad services etc, all of this to maybe save 40/60$. Why didn't you go with a sure shot? Thats always what i think. But nop... they keep popping up (those reviews) over the years and thats just from the peoples that review...

Anyway im sure Cleo will always be able to attrack some clients, be it for being cheaper, nicely located or whatever. But its a very different place than Chez Paree or others for instance. 8 years ago when i was going at shows in Quebec City, been to La Broussaille and been to the Lady Mary Ann, and altough the lady was much much more expensive , that was like 2 different world. You had around 20 girls at the Lady and for all tastes. Big fake, big natural, medium natural, some blondes, some brunette, some redhead etc. It was like impossible to go there and not find one that you wanted to take dances from. Unlike many times i have been at other places and would only take 1 beer, look at the girls, think "nop not tonight" and then leave.

I have been out of the SC scene for years now, but back then when i was going in sherbrooke at Studio Sex, most of the time the best nights where on weekends with lots of different girls with different looks. It was also much more packed. Not nowhere near what i saw at the Lady Mary Ann but you get the point. Its a good thing to have girls for every type of men.

You say i love big fake tits and many of "you" (not sure who is us in your argument) can't stand them. Yes it seem that older guys in general are less fond of them. It can come from many things, either that when they where young fake tits didn't exist literaly, or that they crave the young innocent look. But the fact is big fake tits are popular cause if they where not, not so many girls would get them done and be hire in the industry (be it porn, SP, SC, or as waitress etc) In my case i love the visual for a start, and i grew up with Jenna Jameson in porn, Pamela Anderson on TV in baywatch, so its of my generation.

Probably just like i can't stand when beautifull girls have tatoos all over the place, like most of there arm and legs covered, sometimes on there boobs, some of them literraly even going as far as face tatoos these days. Its not of my generation and its not what i find attractive. But im sure the younger guys of 18-19 do find them attractive. So thats why you see more and more of this.

Yes there is a lot of business men in SC of older age and those are good for the girls, but younger party dudes are especially good for the SC itself business (selling beer) cause they drink more, stay longer and so on.

In any case what im trying to say is that there is many decisions that can be made on business stand point. And personally i totally understand that. Hey i would be the first to enjoy seeing more black girls in agencies. I have been wanting to see one for years, but i can't find one that match all my criteria (look/service/extras etc) because the choice is so small. But the fact is the owners think business. Right now what probably give better business is the young untatooed 20 years old or such natural college looking girls. Thats why you see more of the roster being this way. Cause in the escort business older men are the target demographic in general. And its normal they go for whats better for business.

I have often heard at Dorval while waiting for a taxi people complaining that why are all the taxi drivers Arab or black and that they hate getting in a cab with them.

I can't speak for others but in my case what bothers me about montreal taxi and a big % of the time i took it there was that the driver was either

1) Not speaking french and/or barely english too good and had a lot of trouble making him understand where i wanted to go
2) Does not talk to me whatsoever, look pissed off im even there

Or the 2 above.

Its much more easy to have a conversation and understand each other when the person know what your talking about and want to actually talk to you.
 

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You took some of what i said out of context. Its not about my personal taste but whats good for business. Good if Cleopatra is doing good. Good if La Brouissaille is still doing good. For having been to that place many years ago i do remember it being way cheaper than a lot of other places and the girls being giving "extras" in booth (my friend i was with got some).

I think you did not quiet understand what I wrote. You think it is a business decision but as I told you I been to stripclubs all over the province for the past 20 years including the ones in Ontario and never have I seen a club decide on the race based on a business decision. In this day and age race should not matter. There are beautiful women of all colors. Now you can tell me that most men prefer slim and young girls that I can agree on but you would be surprised at how many men I seen dancing chubby girls. This reminds me of something that is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Peter Sergakis never really liked Blacks... Back in 2004 a tity bar named Oh Caresses on Notre-Dame st was on the news for racism... They would charge Black clients like $10 to get in when the regular charge was $3. Once it got out to be a racist club they had no choice to let Blacks in. They had over 10 Black girls each night. I remember since I was there. The club was booming... There were so many clients and the girls were making money. The guys there went for the Black girls and in that neighborhood which has a large Black population it made sense. Then in 2005 they kicked out all the Black girls. It went to below average White girls and then the club went dead. It never picked up and well now I think it is closed down. As you can see even though it made business sense to have Black girls the owner still decided to ban them since his personal preference took precedence. That is normal since many clubs are associated with street gangs and organized crime and many are centers for money laundering operations and other illegal activities. Stripclubs are a mostly cash business. Covert racism is the norm in the sex industry as well as escorting. There are no rules to assure everyone equal rights. This is an underground market. Accept it or not covert racism is very real and this is not something I do not expect you to understand since it does not touch you and also you are the same guy who thinks the enforcement of French on everyone is just. You already have proven to have a nationalist mentality.

As Sam21 said it is not about the color it is about the individual person.
 

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I hope this thread's OP has been reading following his own thread. It's strange that the OP has yet to add any further postings on his own thread.

Being the curious person that I am, I have asked a few SP's who their favorite clients have been. Some have told me that they have a strict no black male client policy. So, I asked why? The one common response has been that "black men have an odor issue".

i work out at various gyms around where I live -- these gyms are open 24/7. I have seen many black men who are obsessed with grooming and personal hygienes after they work out. Some of the "Brothers" put me to shame on how meticulously they groom themselves after they work out and put on very expensive clothes before heading out either to work or to hang out with their friends or go out with their SO. (Most guys at the gyms I frequent work out before going to work or a night on the town. So, we have a great workout, shower and dress up before leaving the gym.)

When I was attending university, one of my very good roommate was a black man -- he was extremely athletic, well groomed and one of the smartest and kindest human beings I have ever known in my life.

I don't know anything about Canadian black men, but I believe the American black men who can afford to see escorts will shower the Montreal escorts with tenderness, kindness, great sex likely, wow them with their meticulous personal grooming and hygienes and expensive jewelry (they wear expensive high quality diamond studs on their right ear) and excellent tips.

Perhaps Hobbyists like the OP should develop good rapport with the bookers and be upfront and the bookers (agencies and indies) will likely help match the right ladies for the dudes, and many of these black dudes are likely high rollers in Vegas and will tip very generously if they receive great services.

As for me, I always shower using expensive body wash and spray some nice light cologne on myself before each encounters. Hey, I see it as a date so I get myself ready like I'm going on a date with a lot chic, hoping to get the greatest mileage with her.
 
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