Lost it, lost it ... or like a suppository lost it?
(of course my question is only a joke, butt it was too easy)
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Lost it, lost it ... or like a suppository lost it?
(of course my question is only a joke, butt it was too easy)
Why do many prostitutes refrain from posting their rates {as oppose to agencies} on Leolist or their Twitter (X) account forcing us to reach out to them to inquire? What is the mindset behind this way of doing things?
P.S.: I also find that many of them call us “time wasters” after we find out how much they charge and then we decide we will not book them. [not rate shaming here]*
P.S.: I also find that many of them call us “time wasters” after we find out how much they charge and then we decide we will not book them. [not rate shaming here]*
Guess this way they can come up with any amount they want on the spur of the moment depending on what vibe they get when you contact them.
As far as twitter, I'd guess it's moderation related. It's illegal for twitter to host/advertise escorts on their platform. Posting a schedule and sexy pics is one thing. Attaching a price makes it a business transaction.
A lot of escorts have a website, and they want clients to go to the website and read it. All the information is there. I post my rates on my leolist ad, but I would never do that on X because you can get in trouble! X is not a safe platform to discuss booking an escort. I often have clients reach out on X asking about my rates and services, and it is not safe. Both of our accounts could get banned!! Email or text the person instead! I've even been advised not to have a link to my website on X, because some escorts have been reported.
I try really hard not to post on LL very often anymore, but to tell you the truth, when I do, clients have almost never read my ad. They always ask my rates. To me that is a waste of time. A lot of clients save a bunch of numbers and don't remember our ads and haven't done any research on us, and they just contact a random number and ask us to refresh their memory about who we are. Even here, on this board, a lot of clients have not read my ad or only partially read it. I've gotten asked for my rates by clients who found me on here, and I've been asked for services I don't offer, MULTIPLE TIMES, when my ad is CRYSTAL CLEAR.
It kinda sucks when you have multiple ads, social media presence and a website, and you get asked for your rates and the client ghosts you.However, it is possible that certain escorts don't add their rates on LL specifically because clients who look through LL seem to want to pay under a certain amount, and that could be a marketing tactic. I remember working with girls at MPs who had a basic price on their LL account but charged certain things as extras. I can imagine someone who charges what is considered by people on here a ''high rate'' might prefer discussing rates privately when advertising on LL..
I can tell you what my definition of a time waster is. It's somebody who makes you waste a ton of time discussing details of a booking and then ghosts or doesn't book or gives a vague booking date and never contacts you. Often they send elaborate fantasies or are rude or ask for things you don't offer. They didn't read your ad, they didn't do research, they want you to explain everything to them. I suspect some of them are masturbating while doing this. Another type of time waster is a client who messages a bunch of escorts and ends up only booking the one with the cheapest rate or another similar criteria. Time wasters don't have the intention of booking you, or they kind of do in the moment but they aren't serious. No call now show, cancelling at last minute with a really crazy excuse, etc are very common behaviours.
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Questions for clients : when SP's offer promos or discounts, does this make you only want to wait until they do so to book them? and if you do this, why do you ask for discounts when it's no longer being announced?
I've noticed that when I offer discounts, barely anybody takes up the offer, but I often get asked for discounts another time, which is something I find very rude.. Sometimes I wonder if it's worth offering them. I get asked sometimes for a 100$ discount LOL. Obviously I say no, but I wonder why this client had the nerve to ask in the first place.. Any idea? A month or two ago, a client I saw 2 years ago begged me to ''see him every week'' for half of my hourly rate. Do they think we don't have bookings and that we are desperate?
Another unrelated question.. this has to do with 15 minute appointments. I'm not sure if agencies offer those, but I know MP's do. However, for an independent provider, getting ready just for 15 minutes can feel like a waste of time.. It's also riskier to take 15 minute appointments, because it can appear suspicious to incall neighbors. Why try to get 15 minute bookings from indy's? I used to offer them, and I stopped, but I still from time to time get asked for them... However it could be easy to drive to a MP and get a 15 minute booking... When I worked at MP's, I was fine with doing 15 minutes, because I was already there and I didn't have to get ready again every single time.
(sorry if that seemed like a rant lol.. i'm just really trying to understand the psychology behind a lot of this)
I've noticed that when I offer discounts, barely anybody takes up the offer, but I often get asked for discounts another time, which is something I find very rude.. Sometimes I wonder if it's worth offering them. I get asked sometimes for a 100$ discount LOL. Obviously I say no, but I wonder why this client had the nerve to ask in the first place.. Any idea? A month or two ago, a client I saw 2 years ago begged me to ''see him every week'' for half of my hourly rate. Do they think we don't have bookings and that we are desperate?
Another unrelated question.. this has to do with 15 minute appointments. I'm not sure if agencies offer those, but I know MP's do. However, for an independent provider, getting ready just for 15 minutes can feel like a waste of time.. It's also riskier to take 15 minute appointments, because it can appear suspicious to incall neighbors. Why try to get 15 minute bookings from indy's? I used to offer them, and I stopped, but I still from time to time get asked for them... However it could be easy to drive to a MP and get a 15 minute booking... When I worked at MP's, I was fine with doing 15 minutes, because I was already there and I didn't have to get ready again every single time.
(sorry if that seemed like a rant lol.. i'm just really trying to understand the psychology behind a lot of this)
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I don't advertise on leolist so I wouldn't know. Likely it is because they want you to actually click on their link and read what they have taken the time to write as an introduction. If it isn't in the information in their bio, check to see if they have any other ads anywhere.
As for X, or any other social media, often a link is going to be provided to their website to go find out more.
Often it is just a case of your just not looking hard enough for the information you are seeking.
As for time waisters. I think we all have different definitions of what we call time waisters. Personally I am not looking to book with just any sort of client, so I get when the clients also want to get a feel for what they are looking for. They see photos and sometimes want to be sure the beauty isn't just skin deep, or is going to be the expierience they are looking for. I understand and appreciate when someone takes the time to see there is even more depth to the beauty he is looking to spend time with. I can't speak for everyone, but the SPs I have met thus far in person have all been beautiful on the inside and out.
I guess I'm kind of a time waister in some respects too though, to the person who is just looking to bust a nut. There needs to be some substance there too, or the appointment they seek won't happen. I don't call it time waisters, just people I am not compatible with.
Time waisters to me, are the ones who really waist your travel time, gas, and efforts, and cancel right when your sapposed to start. (Thankfully not something that has happened too often, but has happened. And it really sucks when you don't even have the finances in your own accounts to afford the gas spent, and you were relying on that trip to restock your gas, and buy food for the kids at home. For some the cost of basic living is more than they are acquiring.)
I don't know what your booking or screening process is like, but you are not a time waster for figuring out if a client will respect you and trying to make sure a session will be pleasant for both parties. Really often I'll ask clients questions as well, because I have doubts about the way they approached me and began texting me. It's different.
If a client says things that come across as rude, sounds overly demanding, and I ask him questions and he ends up asking for a service I don't offer or just continuing to be abrasive, I consider he wasted my time. It's not me who wasted his time. It's clear from my ads and websites what kind of person I am and how to approach me. I've refused clients because they were clearly trying to cross a boundary or I just didn't like the tone they were speaking to me in. (because that indicates the booking will not be pleasant in my experience) They wasted their own time because they either didn't do their research properly, or they were trying to see if I'd book them anyways or accept what they want me to do because the people who would book them charge higher or are not their type.
Generally no. However, I'll note a few things:
1. If my only experience with an SP wasn't good and she offers a promotion, I'm more likely to consider giving things another shot/attempt to coordinate a second meeting.
2. The size/significance of the promotion plays a role. If it's small relative to the overall rate, it's unlikely to influence my decision.
3. The frequency of the promotion also matters. Hypothetically, if an SP I don't see regularly is running significant promos on a regular, at least somewhat predictable basis, I may be inclined to wait until she has a promotion before reaching out to her. If an SP rarely does promotions and it's significant, I'm more inclined to pursue it.
4. With some exceptions, I generally don't see the value in overnight meetings based on how they're typically priced/structured. If a promo is being run for such a meeting type, I'm more inclined to pursuit it.
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How frequently would a SP have to have a promotion for you to want to wait for it? and are there instances when you would ONLY book a specific SP if she were to have a discount?
I've noticed that when I offered a discount, sometimes it did draw in new clients, however small the discount was, and they never came back. It seems psychological more than anything else. I've rarely had a regular client book me during a promo..
I read ads all the way down personally. As many here may have already noticed I’m more of a PSE oriented type of trick (basically come in, bust a nut and leave) Here are few exemples of my interactions when reaching out to prostitutes to inquire about their services and rates. I’m always polite and go straight to the point avoiding useless back and forth texting.
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Like I said, this information isn't on twitter for safety reasons..
Also obviously if someone is working at a spa, they will have different rates for meeting outside.. A lot of SP's who work at spas advertise themselves particularly when things are slow, because there aren't always a lot of walk ins. In the case of some of the girls you messaged, it seems like they posted an ad for their work at the spa, but also gave you their other rate. I don't think you did anything wrong in the way you approached these people.
I haven't looked at them recently but I wonder if ads for MPs are a little different.. SP's may offer a different service outside, and even within the spa everyone has a different service and charges a different rate. I've seen that cause conflict between girls before. I've also seen people charge certain things as extra and some other people didn't, which can also cause conflict if it's known. Also MPs can't blatantly advertise sexual services. (from my understanding..) I think if you're often messaging MP workers, it makes sense that the ads are a bit vague and info may be missing.. And it's possible that the SW'rs (we tend to prefer that term rather than prostitute lol but I'm not offended) you contacted didn't add a rate because they didn't want to get in trouble with their boss or with other girls who work there. Who knows.
I advertise myself on leolist and many legit and fantastic SP's do as well, but it's a chaotic platform, with lots of scams and poorly designed ads (even mine isn't the best because I don't show my face on it due to too many thefts and a lot more traffic than any other platform, and the quality of messages I receive from clients is so low that it doesn't make me want to make any effort), not a lot of options, etc. I've seen people not have a rate on their tryst ad too, and on their website, and I'm not really sure what the logic behind this is, but ads seem to have more info generally and everything is verified.
Hypothetically, if an SP I don't see regularly is running a promo more than a few times a month, I'd be more inclined to wait for it before booking. I can think of a few circumstances where I'd only book a specific SP if she ran a promo:
1. The promotion applies to one or more of my preferred meeting types that an SP typically prices beyond what I consider reasonable and/or financially responsible to pursue.
2. The promotion is offered by an SP with whom I had a disappointing previous experience, but I have at least a mild interest in giving things another try.
3. If I'm highly uncertain about the likelihood of a successful encounter with an SP—such as due to mixed or zero reviews, no social media presence, limited photos, no affiliation with reputable SPs or orgs, or a brand new ad on an ad platform with weak controls/verification methods—and her rates are in what I consider the upper range, I might only consider seeing her if she offers a promotion.
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Salute to you for not being offended and thank you for answering my questions, I now understand a little more why your demographic move the way that they do with the blurred faces, the hidden rates and services. Stay blessed!
makes sense!
i'm not offended! when it comes to hidden rates, some indy's have them, but i would say that's very typical of mp's (and i assume agencies) because we are paid very low. for example when i was working at an spa, i'd make 150$h for basic full service. (the client pays more because he has to pay for the room) this is why some indy's who just got out of mp's start at very low rates, and why some girls who start think 160-220 are standard hourly rates.. (which they aren't, or at least not anymore).. this is why i charged everything as an extra, and there were things i didn't do at a mp that i do as an indy without an extra charge. a lot of sp's work at mp's because they don't want to do gfe, or at least not with a large number of clients.
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Why do so many clients either not read my posted rates or not click through to my website where rates are posted and then text asking about rates?
We do ask them.. when we do, they are often rude in their response..
Like I said, very often ppl save our numbers but don't remember the ad and may not even know who we are at all
What percentage of your inquiries do this? It's definitely a red flag, if someone can't take the time to read/understand who they are seeing. Do you bother responding, or just write them off immediately?
You’re better than me, that would be an automatic block delete if I was a prostitute myself (the not reading the add from start to finish part)*.
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