Asking girls for BBFS

[ShyMan]

If a SP is offering BBFS it is because she has nothing to loose.

Ask yourself if you are really confident "playing" Russian Roulette that when you pull the trigger, there is no bullet in the chamber.

I remember (several years ago) my buddy telling me about a dude who knew he had HIV going around having unprotected sex with females and men. The local media reported that the health agencies reached out to a couple of dozen potential victims to have them tested.

As as someone said earlier in this thread: if a dude (or lady) engages in BBSF with an SP, he's either a moron or has a death wish. I'd add to that warning: the dude may know he's HIV positive and trying to spread and kill others -- (misdirected) Revenge!

 

[ShyMan]

I remember that, years ago (2011?), John of Eleganza posted a thread about this. I think it was titled "dramatic increase in requests for bbfs" or something like that. I thought it was made a sticky. He banned the people immediately.

Perhaps this thread should be a sticky too. IMHO, this thread contains very useful insights that would empower any SP to decline BBSF! And to educate (and discourage) anyone from doing it.

I wonder what the current Mod(s) think about my suggestion to make this thread a sticky.

 

[jalimon]

i am all with shyman here.

guys because of the work i do i have access to a lot of unpublished data and current scientific clinical case that are ongoing. I cant reveal anything other then whatever girls do with their mouth has very very low risk. Unless the girl has a cut or a bruise in the mouth risk are minimal. And if something may happen the consequence are far from life threatening (unless your married ).

But bbfs is a different story. Just fucking learn and buy the best condom out there. Even with a girlfriend!!!! Put the cover on. Remove it when you found the one you want a family with. I am fucking serious.

Anyone in the hobby attempting to bbfs, girl or guys, has a fucking serious problem.

cheers,

 

[BookerL]

published data

http://www.semainessg.ca/prendre-so...nfections-stbbis/evaluer-les-risques/?lang=fr




http://www.srhweek.ca/caring-for-yo...blood-borne-infections-stbbis/assessing-risk/





Cheers



Booker

 

[B52]

James didnt mention détails, but some clients walk around with their STD check on them and bring it out during the heat of the session to get BBFS.
The risk is not extremely low with BBBJ, you can have chlamydia or gonorrhoea if the girl had it in her throat (yes those two are not limited to genitals), or girls can get them in their throat by performing BBBJ & BBBJCIM. The risk is not only about HIV, other incurable STDs include herpes (labiale and génitales) and genital warts. Respect The girl refusing GfE, she's concerned about her health and her clients health. Worship the girl providing GFE, she's putting everything at risk to please you, don't be a jerk and cross the limits by asking BBFS!!

 

[Maria Divina]

Glad that you start that thread and show that you care

James, I would be interested to have the details in private. Thank you xox

 

[jalimon]

James didnt mention détails, but some clients walk around with their STD check on them and bring it out during the heat of the session to get BBFS.

please girls dont fall to that! one can have herpes for up to 7 years without first sign of symptoms...

cheers,

 

[Doc Holliday]

The way this is said, it looks like Lara Fox got infected while doing porn in brazil while she in fact unfortunately got it in LA and it is now very probable that she got infected by James Darren.

I stand corrected, i misspoke. Darren James (not James Darren, by the way) got infected during a gb movie in Brazil and infected other actresses later in LA.

 

[jalimon]

http://www.semainessg.ca/prendre-so...nfections-stbbis/evaluer-les-risques/?lang=fr




http://www.srhweek.ca/caring-for-yo...blood-borne-infections-stbbis/assessing-risk/





Cheers



Booker

This is interesting but its not a publsihed studies.

What it tells us is that having sex is a high risk activity. But so is driving my car on the main highway to get to work each day

I remember last year getting a hold of a norwegian study that conclude that appart from the gays and drug addict, escort have no higher std rate then regular population. Yes they have more relation but the level of protection is much higher.

cheers,

 

[Doc Holliday]

please girls dont fall to that! one can have herpes for up to 7 years without first sign of symptoms...

Well, herpes is another story and there's not much we can do about it unless we all request to have our blowjobs performed with a condom in order to reduce 'some' of the risks.

We've probably all have come into contact with an sp who has herpes (and vice-versa) and don't even know about it. Or we chose to ignore it or else we might as well retire from the 'hobby' completely. Sexually transmitted diseases in the hobby are rare, but they're still there when involving people who have multitudes of sex partners, condom or not.

 

[B52]

The study population can't be compared to Canadian SPs. The protection-restrictions and monthly check up are higher in Europe compared to Canada or Montreal if you want.
CDC clearly states that sex workers are at higher risk that's why regular check ups are strongly recommended (Not sure if any agency in Montreal play by this recommendation.., that's another topic maybe)

 

[jalimon]

Well, herpes is another story and there's not much we can do about it unless we all request to have our blowjobs performed with a condom in order to reduce 'some' of the risks.

We've probably all have come into contact with an sp who has herpes (and vice-versa) and don't even know about it. Or we chose to ignore it or else we might as well retire from the 'hobby' completely. Sexually transmitted diseases in the hobby are rare, but they're still there when involving people who have multitudes of sex partners, condom or not.

Good news is Herpes type 1 is a completely different beast then type 2. So a girl having type 1 cannot transmit to a type 2 while bbbj.
Bad news is what I wrote. When one starts to have symptom of type 2 he may have transmitted to a few without knowing about it...

About 5 years ago I remember reading that tattoo and piercing shop were also a high risk of STD and other disease. I hope they improved.

Cheers,

 

[jalimon]

The study population can't be compared to Canadian SPs. The protection-restrictions and monthly check up are higher in Europe compared to Canada or Montreal if you want.

That is true yes. It's puts a high "bémol" on the study I wrote about 2-3 post above indeed.

Cheers,

 

[Julia Sky]

About 5 years ago I remember reading that tattoo and piercing shop were also a high risk of STD and other disease. I hope they improved.

Cheers,

It's not called a tattooshop then, it's called a butcher shop. LOL

No but seriously, there is a reason we use antibacterial products everywhere before and after every client in a tattooshop, and also why we use new sterilized equipment everytime. A well maintained tattooshop is one of the cleanest, safest places in the world !

Where did you read that ? That person either doesn't know what they're talking about, or has been to some shitty tattooshops... lol

 

[VictoriaJolie]

It sad to see...I have had several requests ...Personally i think those people should be ban and agencies and indy's should work together to blacklist those people...I find that many try more with agencies as they know ladies don't have voice to speak out on the board or they are very new to the business
Ladies please speak out when you get requests for this
xox Victoria

 

[BookerL]

Hello all


This link was posted on merb for 5 years without Having any controversy https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?55029-Pipe-sans-condom-Danger-o%F9-mythe/page2, post 23 and refreshed at post 45 .

This is interesting but its not a publsihed studies.

What it tells us is that having sex is a high risk activity. But so is driving my car on the main highway to get to work each day

Perspective is necessary when measuring risks.

In Canada 2,200 people died in 2009 as a result of a road accident, and 11,000 were seriously wounded.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp3322-2009-1173.htm#t1

In Canada 1,000 people died of HIV / AIDS and 13,000 caught Syphillis and Gonorrhea

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ca&v=37

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/std-mts/report/sti-its2008/06-eng.php

We still get in a car multiple times a day. It is practical and even enjoyable but is a lot less enjoyable than sex with a unknown partner and we don;t do that multiple times a day.

The FEAR is overdone, you can die in your driveway from a heart attack at 57 like my friend, or die of Liver cancer early like Steve Jobs even tough he was a health food nut.

HAVE FUN, - its not that dangerous.

I remember last year getting a hold of a norwegian study that conclude that appart from the gays and drug addict, escort have no higher std rate then regular population. Yes they have more relation but the level of protection is much higher.

cheers,

The study is prepared in colaboration with Action Canada for sexual health and rights ,Montreal is a part of Canada

The study population can't be compared to Canadian SPs. The protection-restrictions and monthly check up are higher in Europe compared to Canada or Montreal if you want.
CDC clearly states that sex workers are at higher risk that's why regular check ups are strongly recommended (Not sure if any agency in Montreal play by this recommendation.., that's another topic maybe)

The link being relevant to this topic for risk factors

It as me wondering if its arguing the poster or the study ?

But always a caution with studies The reader must exercise his discernment




All be safe enjoying the hobby





Cheers




Booker

 

[minutemenX]

If we continue comparison with driving I would compere BBFS with driving a car without seatbelts and with faulty breaks. The chances of accident are pretty high in this case

 

[Julia Sky]

If we continue comparison with driving I would compere BBFS with driving a car without seatbelts and with faulty breaks. The chances of accident are pretty high in this case

Thanks someone has a comparison that makes sense !

The same way you can catch a cold anytime during winter but the odds are a lot greater if you go out naked during winter....

 

[Doc Holliday]

If we continue comparison with driving I would compere BBFS with driving a car without seatbelts and with faulty breaks. The chances of accident are pretty high in this case

Is that BBFS with an escort or BBFS with a girl outside the business, where BBFS is still rampant today according to my sources?

25 to 30 years ago, you'd pick up a girl in a bar & take her home. She'd look at you like you were a weirdo if you told her that you wanted to use a condom. A couple of sleepovers later, she'd whisper in your ear that you don't need to wear a condom if you don't feel like it. "Are you on the pill?", i'd ask. No she wasn't. Another couple of sleepovers later, she'd whisper in your ear: "You can cum inside of me if you want. I'm now on the pill." For me this was a no-no. And they'd take it personally. That's when it was time to look elsewhere for my weekend lay. Or else the risk of having my life permanently changed nine months later was a possibility, one that i certainly did not want.

I thought times had changed. I'm finding out from younger people i work with that not much has changed.

 

[Doc Holliday]

It sad to see...I have had several requests ...Personally i think those people should be ban and agencies and indy's should work together to blacklist those people...I find that many try more with agencies as they know ladies don't have voice to speak out on the board or they are very new to the business
Ladies please speak out when you get requests for this
xox Victoria

What about some of the girls that suggest to their clients that BBFS could be on the menu if they're interested?? How should we deal with them?