Barack Obama: A Historic President

[rumpleforeskiin]

CS, you're not misinformed. Rumps wouldn't know where to begin, because he doesn't know where to begin in any event.

HAHAHAHAHA. Boy, you are one clever guy.

 

[StefanoUS]

I respect your opinions.. Especially those of you who actually live on american soil.
So tell me.. Is there a better candidate that will be running for election?
Maybe obama just has a better reputation as perceived by outsiders looking in..

Ricky,

Obama was elected for essentially 3 reasons: (1) Liberals absolutely hated George Bush (2) McCain was a weak opponent who looked 90 yrs old and is a poor speaker, and (3) there is tremendous white guilt (perhaps valid) for the treatment of african-americans in the past. (you can throw in Palin if you need a 4th).

Obama was a new junior senator from Illinois without the years of political savvy or real-life business experience that's needed for the job. Yes, he inherited a bad situation. But George Bush got 9/11! We should give him some credit for Bin Laden, but the U.S. military has been after OBL for years.

 

[JH Fan]

Obama was elected for essentially 3 reasons: (1) Liberals absolutely hated George Bush (2) McCain was a weak opponent who looked 90 yrs old and is a poor speaker, and (3) there is tremendous white guilt (perhaps valid) for the treatment of african-americans in the past. (you can throw in Palin if you need a 4th).

Obama was elected for one reason and one only.
To clean part of the mess the previous admin made... cuze it's impossible to clean this sh*t in one term only !

 

[lgna69xxx]

If he wants to get re elected, someone might want to inform him to get a move on with it. I mean it has only been almost 3 years, when does he plan to start? After his wifes next $1M vacation? Give me a break, he is one and done! see ya later, dont let the door hit your butt on the way out and thanks for nothing but making the economy worse than ever.

Obama was elected for one reason and one only.
To clean part of the mess the previous admin made... cuze it's impossible to clean this sh*t in one term only !

 

[daydreamer41]

Obama was elected for one reason and one only.
To clean part of the mess the previous admin made... cuze it's impossible to clean this sh*t in one term only !

What sh*t JH? Is Obama a President or a janitor?

He's already thrown a few stimulus packages at it and wants to waste another one while imposing higher taxes. What a moron your hero is. Every economist knows you don't raise taxes on anyone during a slow growth period or recession, even Keyensians.

Do you even understand what the mess was, and what caused it? Go ahead .... educate us jh.

 

[daydreamer41]

Hello all,


Anyone see or hear the Tea Party "debate" last night? Either Cain or Perry characterized the problems of this economy as an "EASY FIX". No matter who you favor or what your political position is, if you are sane you have to wonder about the competence of anyone from any party who would say that.

Cheers,

Merlot

It is an easy fix compared to what Obama has done and is doing.

1. Lower income taxes, and simplify the tax code to a flat tax.
2. Get rid of the regulations that are holding companies back hiring. e.g. Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, EPA, Fish and Wildlife, etc.
3. Repeal Obamacare as it has stifled hiring and caused more people to be on the unemployment roles and have no health insurance.
4. Drastically lower or eliminate corporate taxes. Corporations merely pass taxes on to consumers, and higher costs hurt profits, which hamper hiring.

Those are 4 ways to start the "fix" the mess that the Libs have created. I am sure there are more, just that Obama is never going to think of any, other than Trillion dollar stimuluses that push the money to his favorite Unions, like the teachers, government, teamsters, construction, etc.

 

[daydreamer41]

There are 3 stories in today's news that sum up Obama as President as of September 2011:

1. Harry Reid says that he is not sure that t he bill, if ever written, with Obama's proposals, can ever pass the Democrat-controlled Senate.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/09/13/reid-not-sure-if-obamas-jobs-bill-can-pass

2. Republican Bob Turner beat Democrat David Weprin 53-47 percent for Anthony Weiner's seat in a heavily Democrat district. It is probably a combination of disatisfication with the economy under Obama and Obama's policy on Israel, as the district has a large Jewish population. Also, Jewish voters, many whom are Orthodox, were angry at Weprin, a NY State Assemblyman, for voting for gay marriage.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-14-00-00-58

3. According to the report, the number of people in poverty last year was 46.2 million, the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty estimates have been published. The overall poverty rate climbed to 15.1 percent up from 14.3 percent in 2009.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ls-to-27-year-high-151-percent/#ixzz1Xtmi5OLf

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...erty-rate-swells-to-27-year-high-151-percent/

This news is not too good for Obama. He's a 1-termer for sure. After his political tour touting his jobs bill that will go no where, he probably take another vacation. Where do you think he and Michelle will go next?

 

[StefanoUS]

Hello all,

StefanoUS,

I think that as a seemingly rational poster you know this is inaccurate, and some of it irrelevant.

Cheers,

Merlot

Hey Merlot,

I don't think it's "inaccurate" to say that Liberals absolutely hated George Bush, or that McCain was a weak opponent, or that whites in America felt it would right past wrongs and be a positive and historic statement to have an African-American elected to the White House.

In downtown NYC I use to see vendors selling T-Shirts that said: Fuck Bush. I've never seen such hatred for any President (perhaps Nixon now that I think about it).

I think all of the above is relevant ... but that's what makes a horse race, a difference of opinion.

BTW, no matter who our next President is it will be many years for us to get back on track.

Take care.

 

[StefanoUS]

2. Republican Bob Turner beat Democrat David Weprin 53-47 percent for Anthony Weiner's seat in a heavily Democrat district. It is probably a combination of disatisfication with the economy under Obama and Obama's policy on Israel, as the district has a large Jewish population. Also, Jewish voters, many whom are Orthodox, were angry at Weprin, a NY State Assemblyman, for voting for gay marriage.

It also helped tremendously to have ex-NYC Mayor Koch as a Turner supporter.

 

[CS Martin]

Is this Obama's Watergate? I'm going to mention one word: Solyndra

Opinion: At very best this represents Obama's mismanagement, at the worst outright corruption!!!! Ask yourself what month this is: Oh yeah September 2011.....LOL

I don't want to take up a lot of bandwidth posting the stories, so I suggest you at least read the first link (House Oversight Committee on Energy & Commerce Memorandum).

http://republicans.energycommerce.h...s/Oversight/091411/SolyndraStoryFinalMemo.pdf Read page #4, first paragraph!!!! which says: The email noted that the financial model used by the credit rating agency reviewing the Solyndra guarantee showed that the project would run out of cash in September 2011

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-firms-solvency-ahead-bankruptcy-emails-show/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/14/solyndra-white-house-loan-guarantees_n_962712.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bfdf5ff6-df16-11e0-9af3-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1XyDz4uhu

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...timony-video/2011/09/13/gIQAcwiTQK_video.html


Additional Information: Freemont, CA is the location of the factory that the bulk of this federally insured loan went to fund . The senators & congressperson's district in this area are as follows:

Senators:
Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat
Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat

Congressman:
13th District: Fremont, CA
Congressman Pete Stark, Democrat: Wikipedia says, among other things, about the congressman:
1) When Ways & Means Chairman Charlie Rangel stepped down in March 2010 over ethics charges, Stark was in line to assume the chairmanship since he was the next most senior Democrat on the committee. However Stark was only chairman for one day, as he was ousted by the younger Ways & Means members led by Chris Van Hollen, who saw Stark's history of intemperate remarks as a liability during an election year; Stark was replaced by Sander Levin who was the third-most senior member of Ways & Means
2) Stark is the first openly atheist member of Congress, as announced by the Secular Coalition for America

BTW, Nancy Pelosi's district is quite close to Freemont. Maybe this is where Nancy Pelosi is keeping Obama's gonads...??

Now, ask yourself the following question: Is it prudent to fund a solar project factory that is located in an expensive part (i.e. land and labor) of the US to compete with China??

Note to Moderators: I posted links from multiple "perspectives" on the political spectrum instead of copying text out of respect for your bandwidth concerns and PC. I did include "opinion" or "editorial comment" to meet your other guidelines for posting stories.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I don't think it's "inaccurate" to say that Liberals absolutely hated George Bush

No, it's not inaccurate, but you can also include the rest of the world in that group, excepting only most Republicans.

or that McCain was a weak opponent

True enough.

or that whites in America felt it would right past wrongs and be a positive and historic statement to have an African-American elected to the White House.

I don't think this is true. Obama is a great speaker and ran a brilliant campaign. Too bad he's been such a wus as POTUS

I've never seen such hatred for any President (perhaps Nixon now that I think about it).

Probably true, but well earned in each case. For all his faults, Nixon never lied to start a war. Bush was the only President in US history to not only start two wars, one based entirely on lies, but to give huge tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans while conducting the wars on credit.

BTW, no matter who our next President is it will be many years for us to get back on track.

True. There are many who felt from the start of Obama's administration that the damage wrought by the Bush years would condemn Obama to a single term as the repair job is more than a four year item. The American public is sadly impatient. Unfortunately, the recovery is going slower than it should due to Republican intransigence.

Note to Merlot: here's a little rule of thumb. As soon as you hear anyone, in conversation, use the word Obama and Socialist in the same sentence, recognize the fact that you are dealing with someone hopelessly out of touch with reality and cease wasting your time exchanging with them. It's a form of banging your head against the wall that will come to no good end.

It's been said that the miracle of the Republican party is that they consistently manage to get a huge portion of the American people to vote against their own best interests. CS Martin and the appropriately monickered Daydreamer are perfect examples. (I'm assuming that these two are bringing in less than a million a year apiece.)

 

[StefanoUS]

Note to Merlot: here's a little rule of thumb. As soon as you hear anyone, in conversation, use the word Obama and Socialist in the same sentence, recognize the fact that you are dealing with someone hopelessly out of touch with reality and cease wasting your time exchanging with them. It's a form of banging your head against the wall that will come to no good end.

Yes rumple, but the same can be said of anyone using the word Republican and Tea Party in the same sentence. But that isn't the case is it?

Anyone with conservative thoughts is automatically a crazy Tea Party member. Putting labels on people is just another form of name calling like children do!

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Yes rumple, but the same can be said of anyone using the word Republican and Tea Party in the same sentence. But that isn't the case is it?

True enough. But it's also true that the 2012 campaign has brought an unusual number of whackjobs out of the woodwork to run for president. With the sole exceptions of Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney, all of the Republican candidates are legitimately certifiable. And, as you might expect, they're all teabaggers with those two exceptions.

 

[CS Martin]

It's been said that the miracle of the Republican party is that they consistently manage to get a huge portion of the American people to vote against their own best interests. CS Martin and the appropriately monickered Daydreamer are perfect examples. (I'm assuming that these two are bringing in less than a million a year apiece.)

Yes, it's been said by the Democrats. You're very good at making totally unsupported assertions while reprenting them as "facts". My original stated reason for voting for Obama was that he managed a complex campaign seemingly very well. Since neither canidate was particularly "a good choice", I chose to vote in "what I thought were the best interests of the country", even though I disagreed with many of Obama's positions. Since that time, Obama's proven himself a very poor manager as evidenced by his latest campaign tactic:

ATTACKWATCH http://www.attackwatch.com/

While his proponents may say such an operation is simply shrewd politics, the voter should look at this site as a reflection of what Obama has done to the presidency. Quite simply, Obama's management of his campaign has sunk to new lows by encouraging one American to report to the administration the free speech of one of its citizens as it negatively casts the President. The next feeble comment from rumps, Merlot, etc...etc.. will be that this is Obama's campaign, not Obama. Remember, I voted for him based upon my perception of his management skills. Are you telling me he has little or no control of his campaign and its reflection on the Presidency? Hell, why not put out a "Super 8 Motel" sign on the front lawn of the White House. Merlot, it's a move that would make both Stalin and Hitler** proud parents!!!

BTW, someone report me to Attackwatch. They probably already have a dossier on me!!!!

BTW Rumps, do you not have the guts to meet me on the field of facts rather than simply casting dispersions on the messenger? These are the moves of an argument lost before its inception!!!

**I know I left Bin Laden out of this. He was more into simply decreeing death FATWA's on his perceived oponents. Not sure if Obama is just going to abuse his "Presidential" powers to issue these types of administrative orders or not......LOL. After all Obama has used his adminsitrative order to sell arms to armys that conscript children, can death sqauds be next?

 

[daydreamer41]

No, it's not inaccurate, but you can also include the rest of the world in that group, excepting only most Republicans.

True enough.

I don't think this is true. Obama is a great speaker and ran a brilliant campaign. Too bad he's been such a wus as POTUS


Probably true, but well earned in each case. For all his faults, Nixon never lied to start a war. Bush was the only President in US history to not only start two wars, one based entirely on lies, but to give huge tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans while conducting the wars on credit.


True. There are many who felt from the start of Obama's administration that the damage wrought by the Bush years would condemn Obama to a single term as the repair job is more than a four year item. The American public is sadly impatient. Unfortunately, the recovery is going slower than it should due to Republican intransigence.

Note to Merlot: here's a little rule of thumb. As soon as you hear anyone, in conversation, use the word Obama and Socialist in the same sentence, recognize the fact that you are dealing with someone hopelessly out of touch with reality and cease wasting your time exchanging with them. It's a form of banging your head against the wall that will come to no good end.

It's been said that the miracle of the Republican party is that they consistently manage to get a huge portion of the American people to vote against their own best interests. CS Martin and the appropriately monickered Daydreamer are perfect examples. (I'm assuming that these two are bringing in less than a million a year apiece.)

Rumps, what damage did Bush did? Care to explain? I would love to here your explanation of everything. (I'm predicting that Rumps will say he doesn't have the time to explain except to rehash lame Democrat talking points, like he did here).

The person who is out of touch with reality is you Rumps.

Obama is a Socialist, with a capital S, but one of Saul Alinsky's rule for radicals is to moderate themselves to the right in image only while moving to the hard left. It's called propaganda, which you Rumps, are a master of being a propagandist.

The other rule that you master is to baselessly and falsely demonize your opposition, which you do here. You never give facts to back up what you say.

And lastly, Rumps, I bet you make a million or more. Lots of privileged Leftists like you do. But you put on a facade that you live in a trailer park and you are one of the little people, when you can afford second homes, and SP's out the wazzoooo.

And I got news for you Rumps. Your hero Obama's definition of Rich is anyone making over 250,000, which you probably clear easy, and that's who will pay for the proposed junior Stimulus 450 Billion no. 4 1/2 bill, masked as (create few) Jobs bill. I certainly don't clear or make anywhere near 250,000 a year, or even half that.

Obama is a punk. He should never have been President. He is afflicting a lot of damage (increased prolonged unemployment from where he started and 4.5 Trillion in debt in less than 3 years) on the US people, and he doesn't give a crap except to want to be re-elected and do more damage.

 

[daydreamer41]

Hello StefanoUS,

I never said or implied "Liberals" didn't hate Bush with a passion. They sure did. I even said such feelings are a given for political extremists on both sides. Consider that Conservative extremists painted Senator Obama as a ...Hitler ...Stalin ...Bin Laden ...an Uncle Tom "N-word"... and someone who would actually help terrorists, all before he became President. Considering President Obama put in motion the final operation that got Bin Laden it's pretty damn ironic.

I went to my small Massachusetts town post office and saw a guy right outside the door with a 4-foot picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache...and it continues...

http://realbrother.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/phoenix_tea_party_05.jpg

http://chattahbox.com/images/2009/09/cnn_dc_tea_party_racist_sign.jpg

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/obama-half-breed-muslin.jpg

Do you see any "white guilt" in these photos. BALONEY!!!

Then that absolute hate carries over from extremists like Limbaugh who says "I hope he fails". Now think about that for a moment. Wanting Obama to fail means the country must continue to suffer for four more years. That's a HATE that cares nothing about the consequences to the lives of hundreds of millions of people, and many extreme conservatives have employed racist baiting to do it. And...if anything...it sure destroys your theory about "white guilt"

All of this is as sick and hateful as it gets. So considering the extreme feelings on both sides.

As for NYC, it's heavily Democratic, with plenty of kooks regardless who would try to profit from anything. Hardly any different from anti-Obama hate baiting rallies. With such virulent anti-Obama signs like those above, and rally attendants encouraged to carry guns at some rallies it's clear the depth of hatred went both ways.

I do think McCain became a weak opponent because of the errors I mentioned. But his real problem was the economy and how bad it got before election day with the then threat that there was such a risk of widespread banking collapse. Given the grave economic situation at the time, Obama's margin of victory was modest, again with him gaining only a minority of white votes indicating the opposite of "white guilt".

Anyway...this all just a pissing contest. You are totally right about one thing. No matter who wins it will take years to get better because there is no Easy Fix, and any who thinks they can just make a list and think it will all just pass through Congress has no clue about how government works, never mind that the much of the same philosophy is what made this mess.

Cheers,

Merlot

Here, we go, the Liberal pushing the Race Card. How about all of those T-shirts with Kill Bush? Or how about a Movie which had the subject of the assassination of Bush? Talk about stiring up the incitement. Liberals are far more violent than the most wacked out Tea-Party person.

But learn your history, Mr. Merlot. The 1964 Civil Rights Act would have never passed if it was not for the Republicans. Learn about Bill Clinton's mentor segregationist Senator William J. Fulbright, who signed the Southern Manifesto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

On the outside, liberals publically proclaim innocence, but get them in private, they are the most racist among us. I have seen this in person, vile hypocrites. But it is not surprising that you pull the race card, Merlot. It's right out of the Democratic playbook.

 

[daydreamer41]

True enough. But it's also true that the 2012 campaign has brought an unusual number of whackjobs out of the woodwork to run for president. With the sole exceptions of Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney, all of the Republican candidates are legitimately certifiable. And, as you might expect, they're all teabaggerswith those two exceptions.

wackjobs. legitmately certifiable. teabaggers.

A prime example of all that Rumps can do - demonize, without offerring one shread of supporting evidence. The people of the US are tired of the same campaigning crap that Obama has put forth, and the same shallow demonization that his supporters, like Rumps spews, while producing 0 results, and even making the circumstances worse.

Obama is a one-termer, for sure. Like Lincoln said, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Obama is still playing from the same playbook, and guys like Rumps keep on repeating it and repeating it and repeating it, but the people aren't listening, and will kick the bum out next year.

 

[CS Martin]

The people of the US are tired of the same campaigning crap that Obama has put forth, and the same shallow demonization that his supporters, like Rumps spews, while producing 0 results, and even making the circumstances worse.

daydreamer,

If he wasn't going to screw things up any more than he has already, I'd almost let him stay in office just to see what excuses his supporters would come up with next time around.....LOL Rumps talks about social reform, but Obama never got the message originally delivered by Clinton, "it's the economy stupid".

Obama's record on housing shows neither he or the administration has a clue on the subject. This is one of the major components of the economy. Please rumps let's debate on Obama's track record (in this case tracks all over) on housing.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Note to Merlot: here's a little rule of thumb. As soon as you hear anyone, in conversation, use the word Obama and Socialist in the same sentence, recognize the fact that you are dealing with someone hopelessly out of touch with reality and cease wasting your time exchanging with them.

BTW Rumps, do you not have the guts to meet me on the field of facts rather than simply casting dispersions on the messenger?

Marty my boy. Out of self-respect, I choose to follow the advice I have given to Merlot. I will not engage in discourse with the intellectually debilitated, the lazy, the brainwashed, the confused, or those divorced from reality. Having linked Obama and Socialism, you have clearly demonstrated that you are at least the latter, and likely several of the prior. I will not engage with you.

 

[daydreamer41]

Marty my boy. Out of self-respect, I choose to follow the advice I have given to Merlot. I will not engage in discourse with the intellectually debilitated, the lazy, the brainwashed, the confused, or those divorced from reality. Having linked Obama and Socialism, you have clearly demonstrated that you are at least the latter, and likely several of the prior. I will not engage with you.

You and I proved our point. CS. Rumps can't debate on facts, because he doesn't know any. This quote proves that the only thing about politics or issues that Rumps knows is to denigrate and demonize the opposition, and then refuse to have any engagement with them on the issues.

You proved what you are, Rumps. It is not flattering.