Baseball offseason, let's get ready for 2014.
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OMG,
The Yankees bumped this guy from $5.6 million, already double each of his two previous years, to $13 million, just short of 3 times his current salary for a guy who can't get more than 52 RBIs or 8 HRs in 145 games. The team continues to show why anyone wants to be a Yankee...over-paying insanity = I want to be a Yankee.
UNBELIEVABLE Yankees :crazy:,
Merlot
I do believe that the Yankees now have the fastest outfield in all of baseball, good luck hitting a flyball against the Yankees, it will be interesting to read the defensive metrics as the season progresses.
Merlot,
I do not believe you understand all of the factors at work here. First of all there is a good relationship between Gardner and the Yankees. As exemplified by these comments the Yankees like what Gardner brings to the table, and Gardner is one of the proudest of Yankees:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/sto...new-york-yankees-agree-4-year-52-million-deal
"It's a demonstration from our end," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said. "We don't typically do this, but it shows the level of confidence, belief and trust in the type of person and player he is, and we're excited to know he's going to be part of this thing going forward. That was me trying to reassure them despite the acquisition of Ellsbury of how much we really like Brett," Cashman said. "I'm just repeating what I said in the winter; I love everything about Gardy. I think he's part of the solution here. He would be a leadoff hitter and playing center field for most organizations."
"I don't want to be anywhere else," Gardner said. "There's no better place to play baseball than in New York. I've never been anywhere else. I got drafted here almost nine years ago, and I love it here. I love everybody in the organization, the coaching staff and all my teammates, and this is where I want to be."
Here is my own objective assessment of Gardner:
PLUSES
- speedy outfielder is one of the premier defensive outfielders in the majors
- quality basestealer (should be better with Ellsbury around to coach him on technique)
- one of the fastest white guys in the majors
- very good contact hitter with high OBP
- career WAR of 19.3 very close to Ellsbury's 21.0
- high in pride, guts, hustle categories
MINUSES
- not much power
- occasionally gets overpowered by good power pitchers
- throwing arm is not great, but he throws very accurately
In the ESPN poll 54% of respondents thought it was a good move, 46% thought it a bad move.
If you are counting left and center field, yes. Right field will be Beltran and Soriano and neither one of them is great with the leather/range, but Ellsbury can cover for them and shade to right field with Gardy shading to center which will hide the defensive deficiencies in right field.
I do not believe you understand all of the factors at work here. First of all there is a good relationship between Gardner and the Yankees. As exemplified by these comments the Yankees like what Gardner brings to the table, and Gardner is one of the proudest of Yankees:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/sto...new-york-yankees-agree-4-year-52-million-deal
"It's a demonstration from our end," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said. "We don't typically do this, but it shows the level of confidence, belief and trust in the type of person and player he is, and we're excited to know he's going to be part of this thing going forward. That was me trying to reassure them despite the acquisition of Ellsbury of how much we really like Brett," Cashman said. "I'm just repeating what I said in the winter; I love everything about Gardy. I think he's part of the solution here. He would be a leadoff hitter and playing center field for most organizations."
"I don't want to be anywhere else," Gardner said. "There's no better place to play baseball than in New York. I've never been anywhere else. I got drafted here almost nine years ago, and I love it here. I love everybody in the organization, the coaching staff and all my teammates, and this is where I want to be."
Here is my own objective assessment of Gardner:
PLUSES
- speedy outfielder is one of the premier defensive outfielders in the majors
- quality basestealer (should be better with Ellsbury around to coach him on technique)
- one of the fastest white guys in the majors
- very good contact hitter with high OBP
- career WAR of 19.3 very close to Ellsbury's 21.0
- high in pride, guts, hustle categories
MINUSES
- not much power
- occasionally gets overpowered by good power pitchers
- throwing arm is not great, but he throws very accurately
In the ESPN poll 54% of respondents thought it was a good move, 46% thought it a bad move.
If you are counting left and center field, yes. Right field will be Beltran and Soriano and neither one of them is great with the leather/range, but Ellsbury can cover for them and shade to right field with Gardy shading to center which will hide the defensive deficiencies in right field.
By the ways Michael Bourn got $48 million for 4 years from the Indians. Someone tell me that Gardner does not deserve to make as much as Bourn. Bourn is not a better player all around than Gardner is. By the ways, Bourn had 6 homers and 50 RBs while batting .263 for the Tribe last year. ALL of his stats are inferior to Gardner's inckluding SBs and Bourn cannot carry Gardner's glove or jockstrap. He would back Gardner up.
Merlot would you trade Gardner straight up for Bourn, contracts included, YES OR NO?
Merlot would you trade Gardner straight up for Bourn, contracts included, YES OR NO?
Metrics? Metrics?? Metrics??? They are like using #'s for rating a SP, "we dont need no stinking..... metrics" 
I think this is the year that the Yankees win it all(AGAIN), it will be a great send off for Jeter, since the signing of Tanaka the odds for the Yankees have greatly impoved.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/story.cfm/story/1461531
Word on the street has it that since the Yankees signed Tanaka and the Vegas odds have gone up in favor of the Yankees rumpleforskin has gone into a deep depression and has refused to come out of his home.
Last sighting of rumpleforskin.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/story.cfm/story/1461531
Word on the street has it that since the Yankees signed Tanaka and the Vegas odds have gone up in favor of the Yankees rumpleforskin has gone into a deep depression and has refused to come out of his home.
Last sighting of rumpleforskin.
JoeT,
If 12-1 is the odds for both the Yankees and Red Sox to win the World Series I think the money is better spent on the Yankees. What have the Red Sox done to improve their team? Their pompous attitude seems to be "we are the champs and we don't need to improve." The only way I can see that their team is better in 2014 than it was in 2013 for sure is with Bogaerts starting at SS, although even he is an unproven although very promising player. The Red Sox don't know if they have a Starlin Castro on their hands with him. Some guys come up and at first look good, but then never get better and in some cases get worse, BJ Upton being the prime example of deteriorating performance at a young age.
If 12-1 is the odds for both the Yankees and Red Sox to win the World Series I think the money is better spent on the Yankees. What have the Red Sox done to improve their team? Their pompous attitude seems to be "we are the champs and we don't need to improve." The only way I can see that their team is better in 2014 than it was in 2013 for sure is with Bogaerts starting at SS, although even he is an unproven although very promising player. The Red Sox don't know if they have a Starlin Castro on their hands with him. Some guys come up and at first look good, but then never get better and in some cases get worse, BJ Upton being the prime example of deteriorating performance at a young age.
Boston has gotten worse if anything, certainly not improved. Lester is a year older and Bucholtz is always gonna be labeled as "fragile". Capuano in and Dempster out is a wash, and they lost a HUGE piece from last years team in Ellsbury. They have some pitching prospects that look good but until proven, they are just that, Prospects. Also dave ortiz is gonna run out of that "majic" one of these days, no matter how big a fan he is of orange JUICE.
I see Andrew Bailey was signed by the Yanks to a minor league deal with the "hopes" he can return midseason. If this guy gets back to where he was with Oakland, look out! Word tho is this is something more for ther 2015 season as he still has a long ways to go b4 being ready for the Big Leagues again.
I see Andrew Bailey was signed by the Yanks to a minor league deal with the "hopes" he can return midseason. If this guy gets back to where he was with Oakland, look out! Word tho is this is something more for ther 2015 season as he still has a long ways to go b4 being ready for the Big Leagues again.
Speaking of the poster boy for the disabled list(Buchholz), here is a interview with him where he talks about the upcoming season, is it me or does it sound like he is anticipating another injury plagued season.
http://m.mlb.com/video/v31382857/righthander-clay-buchholz-prepared-for-2014-season
http://m.mlb.com/video/v31382857/righthander-clay-buchholz-prepared-for-2014-season
New York Post Praises Gardner Deal
http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/extension-makes-dollars-and-sense-for-yanks-gardner/
http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/extension-makes-dollars-and-sense-for-yanks-gardner/
A little sunshine in Metville today :
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10488184/matt-harvey-cleared-new-york-mets-toss-baseball
Best Regards
Smuler
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10488184/matt-harvey-cleared-new-york-mets-toss-baseball
Best Regards
Smuler
Three things, I love discussing baseball, I love EB's very knowledgeable in depth analysis of the sport and I can't wait for the season to begin.:thumb:
:lol:
OMG, it's the SEVENTH SIGN to the apocalypse...Beav picking the Yankees over the WORLD SERIES CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX. What were the odds...5 billion to 1 at least.
Speaking of "pompous", you guys couldn't put together an original and/or honest thought on this subject in a trillion years.What pomposity you guys have every year. The perennially self-entitled Yankees boys all said the same in 2013 at look at what happened. But at least you have Joe.prediction.failure on your side. :crazy:
The RED SOX are WORLD CHAMPIONS. Smoke on that for the whole year.
Merlot
OMG, it's the SEVENTH SIGN to the apocalypse...Beav picking the Yankees over the WORLD SERIES CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX. What were the odds...5 billion to 1 at least.
Speaking of "pompous", you guys couldn't put together an original and/or honest thought on this subject in a trillion years.What pomposity you guys have every year. The perennially self-entitled Yankees boys all said the same in 2013 at look at what happened. But at least you have Joe.prediction.failure on your side. :crazy:
The RED SOX are WORLD CHAMPIONS. Smoke on that for the whole year.
Merlot
Gardner deal: A Bargain
BOYZ!
This reporter "gets it" :thumb:
http://mlb.si.com/2014/02/23/brett-gardner-new-york-yankees-extension/
BOYZ!
This reporter "gets it" :thumb:
http://mlb.si.com/2014/02/23/brett-gardner-new-york-yankees-extension/ BOYZ!
This reporter "gets it" :thumb:
It's all about what is market value. Subjective notions that people are overpaid do not count. The market establishes what people should be paid. It is no different that someone posting on MERB to say an SP charging $200 per hour in Montreal is overpriced.
The article you posted contains a thoughtful analysis, not a knee-jerk reaction.
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