Bbfs

[EagerBeaver]

Actually we should be concern about seeing an SP who does bbfs even if we use a rubber just in case.

How many SPs out there don't do BBFS with cheating BFs or multiple BFs? If you have such concerns I would suggest you stop hobbying IMMEDIATELY as you are unlikely to meet an SP who has not had BBFS. Sex should be with your right hand only.

 

[Voyager]

Sex should be with your right hand only.

Is it cheating if you use your left hand once in a while?

Voyager

 

[EagerBeaver]

Let me ask you a question though and answer it honestly. Although this will never happen lets say there was an sp you wanted to book but you heard from some people you trusted that she was offering clients bbfs and doing it on a regular basis, would you book her or move on to someone else.

It depends on whether she was well known for giving a good TCIM. If so I probably would book her. The BBFS part probably would not play a big factor in the decision at all. If she was hot and I liked her it would be no factor. Of course, I myself would not seek that service.

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

Beav, Let me ask you a question though and answer it honestly. Although this will never happen lets say there was an sp you wanted to book but you heard from some people you trusted that she was offering clients bbfs and doing it on a regular basis, would you book her or move on to someone else.

For me the answer is a clear cut "NO". Condoms can have microscopic holes, have an undetected defect and etc and thanks to Murphy's Law, it would probable during the time I spend with her.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Well said EB. So long as you have protected FS you`re at a miniscule risk of contracting any life threatening disease. Do you people really think all these girls have protected sex even outside the SP world? If so, grab a glove and get in the game!!

I also totally agree with EB`s post (post #32) & i would like to add that most hobbyists i know have had bbfs in the past with former sex partners (non-sps) & former gfs & wives. Hell, i`d be willing to bet that most married men who see escorts never put condoms on when they have sex with their wives or current girlfriends (no surprise there). These same guys put their wives & girlfriends as more at risk as the sps do. Most cases of clients getting stds in this business (Mtl) got them from s.

Basically, what i`m saying is that people who live in glasses houses shouldn`t be throwing stones. All of us are somewhat guilty of stupidity in some degree with it comes to safe sexual practices.

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

Well said Doc.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Playing devil's advocate

Ziggy,

The point I was trying to make is that most hobbyists who practice normal covered FS need not be concerned with the issue raised in this thread, because they are many more times likely to see an SP who has had BBFS with her cheating BF, or multiple BFs, than with another hobbyist, but in any event, if you have protection, you really need not concern yourself with her history. Obviously, the history only becomes a concern if you choose to engage in BBFS - but it's a choice most of us don't make, so the concern is an irrelevant one.

If the outcall who just stepped into your suite confesses that she's HIV positive, would you put the rubber on anyway and take that one for the team?

 

[Agrippa]

If the outcall who just stepped into your suite confesses that she's HIV positive, would you put the rubber on anyway and take that one for the team?

Of course he would, he just wouldn't engage in BBFS.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Living in reality

No he wouldn`t and thats a fact jack and although there never has been a case of giving someone aids to my knowledge no one is going to allow her to do that either.

It`s like people born and adopted overseas trying to acquire a British passport: a person living in Hobbyland has no automatic claim to ``citizenship in Reality``.

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

If the outcall who just stepped into your suite confesses that she's HIV positive, would you put the rubber on anyway and take that one for the team?

Get something longer than a 10 foot pole and push her out as fast as possible. Once the immediat threat is taken care of, throw the pole out and set ablaze just in case the pole got infected as well.

Ok maybe I'm exagerating a bit, but I think we all get the picture.

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

Could it be an agency owner just trying to ruin the reputation of other agencies?
M5

Mod 5 proposed an excelent question.

1- WC with all of his 2 posts stated he engaged in bbfs with several agentcies, but the trend on the board shows that not to be true.

2- He hints at an HD lady which happened to be the same agentcy that had the STD scare not long ago.

3- He mentioned that he will not reveal names on the board. This I understand as it is not a good method welcome by the Mods and for good reason. Too many liers would abuse any list that's ment to be for honest people who want to lay down a warning for all of us here.

4- WC would not share any info through PMs to make comparisions so that we can see if there is a trend. I know through comparisons I can name two MPs who engage in bbfs and they are well know because other posters have hinted with lines like "too liberal without condom", "extreamly aggressive without condom", "keep the jimmy in sight" and etc.

5- WC became very defensive when I asked him through PMs (will not devalge exactly what was said) several questions looking for more details.

His behviour and avasiveness is very suspect at best.

 

[Doc Holliday]

WC became very defensive when I asked him through PMs (will not devalge exactly what was said) several questions looking for more details. His behviour and avasiveness is very suspect at best.

Of course. Let's pretend that someone named Biff only wants sps who do bbfs & he needs to add more people to his 'to-do' list. All he has to do in order to avoid suspicion is to post something to the effect that he's been made aware that there's a problem going on in this business where he's heard bbfs can be obtained for a price from a few of the women in this business (i won't call them ladies) & that he's experienced it first-hand.....he has received bbfs from several of the women in the past, but he won't mention who they are (of course, since he's never actually experienced it). He hopes that not only will some people spill the beans in his thread, but a few of the members with inside info will pm him with their own info & this way he'll find out who might be doing this practice and who isn't.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Get something longer than a 10 foot pole and push her out as fast as possible. Once the immediat threat is taken care of, throw the pole out and set ablaze just in case the pole got infected as well.

Ok maybe I'm exagerating a bit, but I think we all get the picture.

I do. I also see a difference between theoretical knowledge and "knowing for fact".

It is reasonable to assume that SP's have unprotected sex with promiscuous BF's (the possibility that clients are having unprotected sex with promiscuous GF's also exists), therefore clients know that SP's can theoretically be infected with STD's. For as long as this knowledge remains "theoretical", this is not a problem: protected sex, without exception, is the way to go.

When knowledge becomes factual, it appears though that protected sex won't do the job anymore: a 10 foot pole, which will be set aflame once used, becomes suddenly a necessity.

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

Doc:
You make some good points. That's problem as we have several types of characters in this bbfs issue:

1- Wants info to get more bbfs from new ladies.

2- Wants info because he's paranoid and wants to avoid these SPs all together.

3- Some want to warn others.

4- Some want to post bogus posts to destroy the rep of an SP or agentcy.

With so many conflecting sides (both good and bad) there are too many possibilites to know where people fall into.

Ziggy:
You also make some good and interesting points. I know hobbyests who would use ultra protection with SPs because of the sterotypes that go along with the hobby and yet are not concern about a woman they picked up at their local bar for free.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Well said EB. So long as you have protected FS you're at a miniscule risk of contracting any life threatening disease. Do you people really think all these girls have protected sex even outside the SP world? If so, grab a glove and get in the game!!

That picture changes the moment you ask yourself if you would engage in sex with someone who is actually infected with a STD.

A condom should offer all the required protection but would you nonetheless take the chance to shove your rubber-covered wiener in the pie knowing for fact it's infected?

There's reality and there are realities that hit home. Real-life situations often supersede personal incentives.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Codename "Debutante"

I don't understand how people find "underage girls".

Why would an agency emphasize (often in bold red letters) that such and such SP is a "debutante"? Would it be because agency operators have no marketing sense whatsoever for letting prospective clients know that these debutantes have little or no experience?

Quite the contrary.

"Debutante" is a codename. The same way Masons and KKK members have their secret handshakes, agency operators connect with the niche market of clients with a special affection for youngsters through this codename. In some specific cases, "debutante" literally means "underaged".

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

Ziggy:
Thanks for the explanation. I should be more in tune with these codes so I'll have to pay more attention to these things and not just take descriptions at face value. I know it's hard as I will admit to being to logical or litteral.

I guess that's why I was never asked to decode the Navjo language used during WW2.

 

[hornypilgrim]

from personal experience

1) if you are a regular on the scene and you have never been offered, I would say the reason for that is in your mirror. For myself, without ever actively looked for it, it was definitely there. Possible reasons: a) no, I am not a young 6' 200# hot looking stud, far from it b) girls have said that I am a very clam person and that sets them at ease c) I am 'nice' to the girls; like some guy once told me that he learned through bad experiences not to take girls right after me because 'I use them all up'.

2) most of those occasions were tc.

3) never had to pay anything extra - to even think of offering it afterwards would have betrayed the nature of the 'gift', I think.

4) no, I am not really into the escort scene anymore and don't miss it either. The young bods are good for a 5 minute excitement, after that, they can't keep my interests long enough to get anything done. The real french gf sex, however, that I love!

5) That was a few years back. Now in the last few years, with all the girls competing for customers through offering more liberal services (hell, if they are willing to accept $20 less, they would have customer coming out of the woodworks for even safe servcies, all that they can handled... but...), I would not be a single bit surprised that the claim of being offered that once a month is true.

6) 'Debutant' to me just means not hardened yet (ok, you can label it young and naive if you want). Nowadays, they can get hardened in just a couple of outings and their services definitely are not as good after that. No, not aware that 'debutant' has any hidden code meaning at all.

 

[Special K]

Why would an agency emphasize (often in bold red letters) that such and such SP is a "debutante"? Would it be because agency operators have no marketing sense whatsoever for letting prospective clients know that these debutantes have little or no experience?

Quite the contrary.

"Debutante" is a codename. The same way Masons and KKK members have their secret handshakes, agency operators connect with the niche market of clients with a special affection for youngsters through this codename. In some specific cases, "debutante" literally means "underaged".

Are you referring to a certain respected advertising agency on Merb who advertises some of their new ladies as "Debutantes", is in fact insinuating for the secret underage club, that these girls he's hired are minors?

At least that's how I read your post. If not, please do clarify.

 

[Doc Holliday]

T76, i also know of at least one other girl who worked for LFMJ less than 10 years ago who told me she was 100% certain the boss was aware she was underaged. The sp who told me this used to work for one of the most prestigious HDH agencies (she actually worked for a few) when i met her....she was around 21 when i met her. She also told me she first started escorting when she was 15.

This is upsetting, but makes us realize that it's not a new phenomenon.