Being a masseuse: easy money?

[sene5hos]

Mr_scorpio, I am 100% with you.

Following this discussion I called a masseuse whom I remained friends with.

And it's even worse than I thought. Before the covid she had a good clientele, she told me 2 new and 1 or 2 regulars, and of the new ones 7 or 8 have bad breath.
Now there are days of 0 customers.

Also there are customers who try to pay less, some forget to pay.
It only happened 1 time: when the customer left, there was shit in the sheets.
Yes it does not matter you will tell me, she changes the sheets between each client, she told me that she had been there for a long time.

In conclusion: it is not easy money.

 

[sexslave]

MP's in a parlor are not making $100/hr. Unless they are indy they must give $50-$60 to the house. Most clients at a massage place just opt for the hj so thats on average a $40 tip... So the lady is getting $40 for the average client. Some days she may get 4-5 clients and others days zero or 1. In a week they will make anywhere from $500-$1000 depending on options and number of clients. No No one is making $3000/week in this business nowadays.. This is very rare. Maybe in demand porn stars thats about it. Sex work is not glorious and is not something they will talk about with family and friends. There is a great social stigma about this and it is hard on the psyche. The CHSLD work is thankless work which they can be proud of and feel no shame about it. They can count on a steady and consistent paycheque and a sw cannot. There are numerous fiscal disadvantages to sw. I don't need to name them since i'm sure you already know. CHSLD workers are not paid enough for what they do and neither are teachers and many other professions, but that is the nature of our capitalist economy.

I am not the one who originally stated that the MPA are making 100$ an hour. It’s sene5hos In post no.35. I suggest you talk with him about this.

And by the way, go see the recruiting adds for escort and sex workers on merb or elsewhere and you will see that the agency’s are talking about a hell lot of money and 3000$ a week is not exceptional unless they are misleading the lady’s in which case you must immediately let the moderators of this board know about this.

In all respectable salon, let’s say YPG or 2214, the mpa do not share her tips with the house. Samething for escorts agencies. And yes the mpa are earning 3000$ a week net of all income taxes if they work full time. And no there are no fiscal disadvantages for a mpa when you compare how much they earn with what the average joe is earning. Compare the average household ( two working adults) revenue of 50000$ a year before taxes to 120000$ a year clear of all taxes made by a full time sex worker. There is no fiscal disadvantages that can compensate the household to the income level of the mpa. If you say so, please explain and put numbers.

All in all, the mpa are earning easy and fast money and for those bright enough not to burn all that money they can build something interesting financially speaking.

 

[sexslave]

Mr_scorpio, I am 100% with you.

Following this discussion I called a masseuse whom I remained friends with.

And it's even worse than I thought. Before the covid she had a good clientele, she told me 2 new and 1 or 2 regulars, and of the new ones 7 or 8 have bad breath.
Now there are days of 0 customers.

Also there are customers who try to pay less, some forget to pay.
It only happened 1 time: when the customer left, there was shit in the sheets.
Yes it does not matter you will tell me, she changes the sheets between each client, she told me that she had been there for a long time.

In conclusion: it is not easy money.

I just talked to a CHSLD worker.

She told me that she works full time and change at least 10 times a day diapers and bedsheets full of shit.

Her salary net of all taxes isn’t around 100$an hour like what sene5hos suggested a mpa earns in post no. 35.

The CHSLD salary is around 16$ an hour net of all income taxes. And before you come back to talk about the fringes benefits, I dare ask you to put numbers.

THIS IS NOT EASY money compared to the mpa’s earnings net of all taxes.

 

[Forensic05]

I am not the one who originally stated that the MPA are making 100$ an hour. It’s sene5hos In post no.35. I suggest you talk with him about this.

And by the way, go see the recruiting adds for escort and sex workers on merb or elsewhere and you will see that the agency’s are talking about a hell lot of money and 3000$ a week is not exceptional unless they are misleading the lady’s in which case you must immediately let the moderators of this board know about this.

In all respectable salon, let’s say YPG or 2214, the mpa do not share her tips with the house. Samething for escorts agencies. And yes the mpa are earning 3000$ a week net of all income taxes if they work full time. And no there are no fiscal disadvantages for a mpa when you compare how much they earn with what the average joe is earning. Compare the average household ( two working adults) revenue of 50000$ a year before taxes to 120000$ a year clear of all taxes made by a full time sex worker. There is no fiscal disadvantages that can compensate the household to the income level of the mpa. If you say so, please explain and put numbers.

All in all, the mpa are earning easy and fast money and for those bright enough not to burn all that money they can build something interesting financially speaking.

I am very curious where are you taking YOUR numbers? Bring some verified facts instead of bringing some BS numbers....

 

[mr_scorpio]

I am not the one who originally stated that the MPA are making 100$ an hour. It’s sene5hos In post no.35. I suggest you talk with him about this.

And by the way, go see the recruiting adds for escort and sex workers on merb or elsewhere and you will see that the agency’s are talking about a hell lot of money and 3000$ a week is not exceptional unless they are misleading the lady’s in which case you must immediately let the moderators of this board know about this.

In all respectable salon, let’s say YPG or 2214, the mpa do not share her tips with the house. Samething for escorts agencies. And yes the mpa are earning 3000$ a week net of all income taxes if they work full time. And no there are no fiscal disadvantages for a mpa when you compare how much they earn with what the average joe is earning. Compare the average household ( two working adults) revenue of 50000$ a year before taxes to 120000$ a year clear of all taxes made by a full time sex worker. There is no fiscal disadvantages that can compensate the household to the income level of the mpa. If you say so, please explain and put numbers.

All in all, the mpa are earning easy and fast money and for those bright enough not to burn all that money they can build something interesting financially speaking.

I know this industry like the back of my hand. I have friends who are no longer in the business and some who still are...They've all told me $3000/week is totally unrealistic.You can't go by recruitment ads. They will over inflate numbers to attract people, especially in this industry. Yes they keep their tips. But most of the work is massage plus HJ... thats not a $100 tip. thats maybe $40-$60 at best. once in awhile they get an fs client. $500-$1000/week is more realistic. Some weeks are busy and some not. In an extremely busy week maybe they will make $1500 but thats exceptional. And with regards to it being easy money I suggest you ask any sw if she finds it easy to provide sexual services to complete strangers.

 

[sexslave]

I am very curious where are you taking YOUR numbers? Bring some verified facts instead of bringing some BS numbers....

May I ask you to do the same ?

Am I shaking your beliefs ?

 

[sexslave]

I know this industry like the back of my hand. I have friends who are no longer in the business and some who still are...They've all told me $3000/week is totally unrealistic.You can't go by recruitment ads. They will over inflate numbers to attract people, especially in this industry. Yes they keep their tips. But most of the work is massage plus HJ... thats not a $100 tip. thats maybe $40-$60 at best. once in awhile they get an fs client. $500-$1000/week is more realistic. Some weeks are busy and some not. In an extremely busy week maybe they will make $1500 but thats exceptional.

Let’s suppose that you’re right and that the mpa are only doing basic service. But before I remind you that before your message, every body was talking about a typical mpa offering a very wide range of options.... not the 40-60$ type.

Then I understand that the income level will be lower and under your assumption that only HJ are done, yes nobody will make 3,000$ after tax a week. Unless the HJ is as good as .... and if you found that goddess giving such a good HJ please, let me know!

Now, let’s go further. If the mpa is making like you said 1000 to 1500$ after taxes a week, does this compare well to the average income of a Montreal household which is 1000$ gross a week for two adults? This is equivalent to 400$ a week per adult net of income taxes.

From this, we see that a mpa, under your assumptions, earns 3 times the average joe net income.

Is it easy and fast money? It is at least very interesting, sufficiently to say that we never had a shortage of mpa in Montreal. How about nursing in CHSLD?

 

[mr_scorpio]

Let’s suppose that you’re right and that the mpa are only doing basic service. But before I remind you that before your message, every body was talking about a typical mpa offering a very wide range of options.... not the 40-60$ type.

Then I understand that the income level will be lower and under your assumption that only HJ are done, yes nobody will make 3,000$ after tax a week. Unless the HJ is as good as .... and if you found that goddess giving such a good HJ please, let me know!

Now, let’s go further. If the mpa is making like you said 1000 to 1500$ after taxes a week, does this compare well to the average income of a Montreal household which is 1000$ gross a week for two adults? This is equivalent to 400$ a week per adult net of income taxes.

From this, we see that a mpa, under your assumptions, earns 3 times the average joe net income.

Is it easy and fast money? It is at least very interesting, sufficiently to say that we never had a shortage of mpa in Montreal. How about nursing in CHSLD?

I didn't say they only do basic service but that it's the bulk of the business. They may offer a wide range of options but most opt for basic. Merb members tend be a more discerning clientele and many enjoy the higher options and are willing to pay more. However most of the mpa clientele does not come from merb and most Montreal customers tend to be on the cheap side and will opt for basic most of the time. And many will opt for 30 minute service versus 1 hour. And by the way people grossing $1000 per week do not end up with $400 after tax... Its more like 600-650. You dont pay 60% tax on 50000/year. many mpa end up with 600-700 per week on average... I said 1500 would be a very exceptional week. Yes there is no shortage of sw but the two industries cannot really be compared. Clients in chsld need caregivers every day all day long while clients for mpa don't so of course there is no shortage of mpa.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^2? Average income for 2 adults is $1,000 a week? Wow that is low.
Anyways, massage places were my first go to when I started, found some great places and some real gems, will probably switch back to them when I return.
The prices are fine with me, I actually get more enjoyment getting a shower for 2 ( not always ), massage, light conversation and then an ending followed by sometimes a shower for 2. Still remember Kate from Kama, fuck she was good and FS was not on the menu.

 

[sexslave]

I didn't say they only do basic service but that it's the bulk of the business. They may offer a wide range of options but most opt for basic. Merb members tend be a more discerning clientele and many enjoy the higher options and are willing to pay more. However most of the mpa clientele does not come from merb and most Montreal customers tend to be on the cheap side and will opt for basic most of the time. And many will opt for 30 minute service versus 1 hour. And by the way people grossing $1000 per week do not end up with $400 after tax... Its more like 600-650. You dont pay 60% tax on 50000/year. many mpa end up with 600-700 per week on average... I said 1500 would be a very exceptional week. Yes there is no shortage of sw but the two industries cannot really be compared. Clients in chsld need caregivers every day all day long while clients for mpa don't so of course there is no shortage of mpa.

Did you read my post?

Here just for you I will explain one more time.

In Montreal, the average household gross income (statistics Canada and institut de la statistique du Québec) is around 50,000$ a year. A household contient 2 adults. This means that the average income before taxes is around 50,000$ a year for each door in Montreal. In each household, the weekly income is around 1000$ before taxes. And net after taxes it is 800-900$ a week for an average household of 2 adults. So the individual net income is around 400-450$ a week. What this statistic says is that the average individual net income is certainly a lot lower than 1000$ a week. It could be somewhere between 400 and let’s say 600$ if we are on the generous side.

So remember, a household comprises 2 adults on average. And I wrote this in all my previous messages. Be careful to not induce people in error. And the average gross income of a household is 50,000$ in Montreal city. Not in Ottawa, not in Westmount but in Montreal city. And this is where live the bulk of the montrealers going in the massage Parlours located in Homa, rosemont, st henri, ville marie, and villeray.

So compare this to the income of a mpa. The average joe earns 400-600 max a week while the income of a mpa which is estimated by other contributors in this thread to 1000-1500$ a week for a basic HJ options only lady.

Now, I also compare this net income of the sex worker to the salary of a nursing employee in a CHSLD. I did it in my previous posts.

So, one more time.... do you think that a sex worker doing mostly HJ in a massage Parlour is not in a Berger financial situation than the average client?

Do you see a shortage of waggers in the parlours or do you see a lack of nursing personal in the CHSLD? What could explain this? May be money? Humm....

 

[sexslave]

I am very curious where are you taking YOUR numbers? Bring some verified facts instead of bringing some BS numbers....

May I ask you to do the same?

We are all waiting for your numbers.

So far, it seems that you did not post a single one anywhere.

 

[Forensic05]

May I ask you to do the same?

We are all waiting for your numbers.

So far, it seems that you did not post a single one anywhere.

Here you go, do your homework and stop playing yourself with your "400-600 average joe".
Those are 2018 numbers by the way... stop making facts that corroborate your saying and begin to search for the right ones.

 

[sexslave]

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Here you go, do your homework and stop playing yourself with your "400-600 average joe".
Those are 2018 numbers by the way... stop making facts that corroborate your saying and begin to search for the right ones.

This is not the average household income in Montreal which is my’ reference in all of my post. This the gross income in Quebec province which is around 875$ a week and at a fed and Quebec combined tax rate of 31% it gives you a weekly net salary of.... 600$!!!!! And don’t forget, it does includes the overtime done and paid plus vacations provision.

Now, one more chance. I feel generous tonight. Are you able to find the average gross household income in Montreal or you just don’t understand anything and just want to confuse everybody ?

By the way, thinking of it, are you the spokesman of your local sex worker union or the chairman ?

 

[Forensic05]

This is not the average household income in Montreal which is my’ reference in all of my post.

Your not able to find it or you just don’t understand anything and just want to confuse everybody ?

By the way, thinking of it, are you the spokesman of your local sex worker union or the chairman ?

Actually you're right thanks man! It is double (976) than what you mentioned.
Here's the reference for your future question https://stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiques/profils/comp_interreg/tableaux/tra_remuneration.htm

 

[sexslave]

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Actually you're right thanks man! It is double (976) than what you mentioned.
Here's the reference for your future question https://stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiques/profils/comp_interreg/tableaux/tra_remuneration.htm

Please, bring us the average household net income in the city of Montreal. This is all that we mentioned before.

And also the average full time sex worker net income. Give us your input and compare with the nurse working full time to clean the shit in a CHSLD.

You can do it! Go get it boy !

 

[Forensic05]

Please, bring us the average household net income in the city of Montreal. This is all that we mentioned before.

And also the average full time sex worker net income. Give us your input and compare with the nurse working full time to clean the shit in a CHSLD.

You can do it! Go get it boy !

Please, bring us the average household net income in the city of Montreal. This is all that we mentioned before.

And also the average full time sex worker net income. Give us your input and compare with the nurse working full time to clean the shit in a CHSLD.

You can do it! Go get it boy !

Just admit that you take your numbers out of nowhere and admit that you are wrong... you have to work with true facts when you try to argue with people. And if you really want to debate, go do your homework kid.

Now let's move on to the main topic of this post.

 

[sexslave]

Just admit that you take your numbers out of nowhere and admit that you are wrong... you have to work with true facts when you try to argue with people. And if you really want to debate, go do your homework kid.

Now let's move on to the main topic of this post.

Can you bring us the average’ household income in the city of Montreal and then build your case?

I am comparing the net household income in Montreal with the net income of a sex worker in Montreal.

I conclude that the sex workers are probably in a better situation than the average joe visiting them and in a much better situation than the nurses cleaning the shit of our elderly in CHSLD.

You can’t bring anything so you decide to go go home early?

What is your basis and conclusion on this subject ?

 

[sexslave]

Just admit that you take your numbers out of nowhere and admit that you are wrong... you have to work with true facts when you try to argue with people. And if you really want to debate, go do your homework kid.

Now let's move on to the main topic of this post.

Ok, since you can’t bring the numbers, i’ll do it for you.

But I admit. You’re right. I stated 50,000$ a year. I was wrong. It’s a little over 51,000$. What a big difference !

 

[Forensic05]

Ok, since you can’t bring the numbers, i’ll do it for you.

But I admit. You’re right. I stated 50,000$ a year. I was wrong. It’s a little over 51,000$. What a big difference ! View attachment 6233

You said earlier that you're "very well educated"... so based on that fact, you must have done your statistics class in college... if so, you know that the median is NOT the average and is ALWAYS below the average so I did the research for you

You can notice here the major difference between the median and the average...

 

[AlmostMidaged]

I think household is usually considered 2 people with income. Is that third column average household income after taxes? If yes, it's $33, 652 per year for 1 person, and $646 per week. Is that maybe $18-20 per hour? Because minimum wage is $13.10 /hr $520'ish before taxes.

Is it hard? I'm interested to hear more. Is risk of exposure to harm relevant? . I believe that's why prison guards make 45 -70k pretax, which is above the average, despite the seemingly low cost value investment on their part.