Being a masseuse: easy money?

[RVK7]

The thread's comments are moving away from the original question of whether being a massage parlour worker is an opportunity to make easy money.

It's a long way from a shinning queen of Onlyfans to the anonymous worker of the local massage parlor "sur la main".

Everyone brings their numbers: $750, $1500 per $3000 weekly. What's the point of arguing about numbers like this? It’s a war that can go on for a long time, as we can see.

Does the exact income really matter, given the initial question: is the (average) salary earned by a SW in a MP easily earned?

By the way, income is one parameter among others of the value of this work. But surely less valuable than the price a guy is willing to pay to satisfy his dick's cravings, based on the market.

Of course everyone will have have his or her own opinion on the subject. But to really know it, you would have to ask the girls who do this work. The rest is pure guesswork if it is not based on verified facts, guesswork fueled by a lot of a priori, this thread reveals.

The starting pretext of this one is very evocative in this respect: a rookie is rebuffed for asking too much. A pretext to then ask if all massseuses make easy money. Enjoy the subtle overgeneralization here: do all masseuses really deserve the money they earn, one could have titled.

Right from the beginning, we were in the middle of a value judgment, which you're never far from when it comes to SWs. Old habits die hard. Especially when you think you didn't get what you paid for.

 

[sene5hos]

The thread's comments move away from the original question of whether being a massage parlour worker is an opportunity to make easy money.

Everyone brings their numbers: $750, $1500 per $3000 weekly. What's the point of arguing about numbers like this; it's a war that can go on for a long time, as we can see.

In fact, it doesn't really matter what the exact income is, given the initial question: is the money earned easily earned?

Everyone can have his or her own opinion on the subject. But to really know it, you would have to ask the girls who do this work. The rest is pure guesswork if it is not based on verified facts, guesswork fueled by a lot of a priori, this thread reveals.

The starting situation itself is equivocal: a rookie is rebuffed for asking too much. A pretext to then ask if all massseuses make easy money. Appreciate the subtle semantic shift here: do all masseuses really deserve the money they earn, one could have titled.

Right from the beginning, we were in the middle of a value judgment, which you're never far from when it comes to SWs. Old habits die hard. Especially when you think you didn't get what you paid for.

I agree with you RVK7, back to the original question.

No it's not easy money, and yes they deserve it.

Here is a summary of why:
Because of the customers.
Some salons don't require the shower before the massage, and should also require the mouthwash, because according to the masseuse I know, many have bad breath.

Masseuses have to put up with the bad smell and bad breath, and one of them said to me, would you like to have sperm on your hands often?

 

[kabukicho]

In this case since most if not all the tips are paid cash (I haven’t heard yet of anybody paying the extras with interac), it’s not on the tax man radar so it’s after tax money.

And my regulars masseuses are telling me that they make on average 600 to 800$ a day.

My apology, I re-read my post and it mislead your response.

When I inquired "was that the average (a week) is between $500 to $1000? (gross or net?)"

I did not mean net of the tax man... as I know it's cash income. I was meaning net of the parlour....
to which after revisiting today I remembered the client already pays that on his own via that room fee lol, gross and net should be the same amount for the masseuse.


but it remains for me.... what's 'a week'? how many days walking into the parlour.


I think this thread, we have different degrees of defining what is 'easy' money what is 'quick' money, and I would add.... the down time in between customers.

that's the worker's own time she makes use of it or doesn't and that's a plus or a minus. It boils down to an 8 hour day of work, how many of those hours are you really working. if a maseusse can book 3 customers in 8 hrs, each for 1hr, that in my book is 3 hours of 'work'. true work (or zero if she loves she loves her job, but that's another discussion).

To me, 3 hrs of true work out of 5 hrs idle.... that's pretty good. if the masseuse has zero idle hours, fully booked... 8/8 hrs, i mean that's just well ahead of the game of course. for this line of work expect some 0/8 I guess. but that's no different than any independent contractor like a real estate agent w/ zero sales in a week versus next week you bank.

I think w/ massueses w/o the licensed training, which is what this thread does seem to be referring to (havne't read everything) you'd have to be more inclined to compare this line of work w/ say... a barista or a grocery job or a server at a restaurant, to which I'd say yes, being this type massuesse is quick money.

yea, that being said there are other jobs w/ even quicker money etc.. but i can't say this is not quick money, put it that way, for me.

in other words, I think it's been already mentioned in this thread, only as the barrier to entry to this no training massage is what it is.... other than looking pretty, what qualifications are there, and as such, for the money being pulled from this job, you'd have to compare it w/ other , hourly service, mainstream jobs... govt jobs.



as for onlyfans, fully agree that's been a boon for some women, who can convey their personality. alotta passive income being made there, for some girls. definitely easy money there as it's kinda hands off for the girl, who is behind the internet. it requires adding content consistently... which isn't the hardest job in the world as you control how busy or not you are, it's your own business.... except its on someone else's platform who's suffered breaches in the past. Not my cup of tea though.

 

[sexslave]

Well,its funny cause every independant masseuse i see,they make aroud 4-5 customer per days,at around 150$ each....5-6 days a week.....well its more than 750$ a week for sure...of course in massage parlour,youworking for the boss so.....yess they make less

Your information is in line with mine.

At least 4 customers a day at an average of 100 - 200 each (150) 5 days a week is 3000$ a week clear of the tax man hands.

It’s way above the average joe even if they might sometimes pay for the use of the room wich is to my knowledge not the norm.

So I still say that making so much money is easy when considering that no investment is needed to access this trade (no need to invest many years in your education).

But the career is like a hockey player. Some last, some don’t. So you have to put some money aside for the next step in your life.

 

[CLOUD 500]

If any type of sex work should be considered easy money, it's that, not working in an MP.

There is nothing easy to that. There is so much supply. How to get men interested to pay to watch your videos even if nude? It takes a lot of imagination and smarts to make videos and to market yourself to get men to be interested to pay. Just because they do not got a masters degree does not make them stupid. They are very intelligent. The idea behind every business is to create a need where there is none and these girls succeeded in that. But I always said it is fast money but no easy. If OnlyFans were so easy all escorts would disappear so that is proof enough that it is far from easy.

 

[LeBoudoir]

Your information is in line with mine.

At least 4 customers a day at an average of 100 - 200 each (150) 5 days a week is 3000$ a week clear of the tax man hands.

It’s way above the average joe even if they might sometimes pay for the use of the room wich is to my knowledge not the norm.

So I still say that making so much money is easy when considering that no investment is needed to access this trade (no need to invest many years in your education).

But the career is like a hockey player. Some last, some don’t. So you have to put some money aside for the next step in your life.

Trust me, there's absolutely nothing "EASY" about walking into a room with a complete stranger and giving yourself to him.
Most masseuses don't work 5 days a week, some also have part-time or full time jobs. And you're never guaranteed anything. Today you may see 4-5-6 clients and the next 2 days none.
In this pandemic situation, many factors are making it really slow for massage parlours and masseuses.
So that affects their yearly income dramatically.

 

[RVK7]

Your information is in line with mine.

At least 4 customers a day at an average of 100 - 200 each (150) 5 days a week is 3000$ a week clear of the tax man hands.

It’s way above the average joe even if they might sometimes pay for the use of the room wich is to my knowledge not the norm.

So I still say that making so much money is easy when considering that no investment is needed to access this trade (no need to invest many years in your education).

But the career is like a hockey player. Some last, some don’t. So you have to put some money aside for the next step in your life.

Let's stick to the sports analogies and talk about performance then. If we divide a NHL hockey player's annual salary by goal, we can talk about easy money! But market laws rule the game. That’s the way it is. Same but funny thing here: a SW is far more efficient when it comes to putting the puck in the net. Easy money? There aren't 20,000 people to cheer her "quand elle la met dedans", but there are however easily 20,000 and many more to boo her and reproach her for doing so when she leaves the ice. Stigma, you know? And with stigma comes a price. That's the name of the game. If it were that easy money, there would be hordes of CHSLD and Mc Do workers rushing to upgrade their careers as masseuses. And the prizes would collapse to our great pleasure. It's also the reason why the average Joe is willing to pay up to $150 "la shot" to get his stick polished, hoping for a hat trick every time. And I didn't even mention the smell of the players' jack strap... But that's another game.

 

[RVK7]

There is nothing easy to that. There is so much supply. How to get men interested to pay to watch your videos even if nude? It takes a lot of imagination and smarts to make videos and to market yourself to get men to be interested to pay. Just because they do not got a masters degree does not make them stupid. They are very intelligent. The idea behind every business is to create a need where there is none and these girls succeeded in that. But I always said it is fast money but no easy. If OnlyFans were so easy all escorts would disappear so that is proof enough that it is far from easy.

On the subject:

"I would never advise someone doing it, if they only wanted to do it like two days a week or something," she said. "It's not a part-time thing in your mind. You wouldn't make enough money." - Monica Huldt , Onlyfans Swedish Star, quoted in Business Insider

Here's the reference of the article and of course a photo to motivate you to read.

https://www.businessinsider.com/onlyfans-monica-huldt-describes-how-makes-money-2020-3

 

[Fradi]

We could argue this forever.
Real answer is none of us have any idea what it really takes emotionally and physically to do this job and I am sure it does not affect each lady the same way.
There are very few ”easy money” jobs out there I doubt being a masseuse is one of them.
I certainly don’t envy their job or their income and don’t consider it to be easy nor that lucrative.
We do what we need to to make a living and if it doesn’t work for you then it is time to try something different.

 

[sexslave]

Let's stick to the sports analogies and talk about performance then. If we divide a NHL hockey player's annual salary by goal, we can talk about easy money! But market laws rule the game. That’s the way it is. Same but funny thing here: a SW is far more efficient when it comes to putting the puck in the net. Easy money? There aren't 20,000 people to cheer her "quand elle la met dedans", but there are however easily 20,000 and many more to boo her and reproach her for doing so when she leaves the ice. Stigma, you know? And with stigma comes a price. That's the name of the game. If it were that easy money, there would be hordes of CHSLD and Mc Do workers rushing to upgrade their careers as masseuses. And the prizes would collapse to our great pleasure. It's also the reason why the average Joe is willing to pay up to $150 "la shot" to get his stick polished, hoping for a hat trick every time. And I didn't even mention the smell of the players' jack strap... But that's another game.

I conclude that i can also use another analogie. Let’s talk about a nurse. She spent many years studying and now she’s working night shifts, clean patients, has BIG responsibilities, must keep her knowledge up to date, do overtime wich unfortunately is mandatory in our beloved province, etc.... She can’t work part time if she want to earn a decent pay and pay taxes. Yes she has access to a pension fund but at the beginning of her career it’s almost worthless... until she reaches 50 years old (actuarial calculations).

Let’s also talk about a CHSLD worker. We have a shortage of labor because the pay is not good enough.

As far as I know, we don’t have a shortage of SP and masseuses. I am not saying that they do not deserve respect and consideration. I am just saying that no investment / higher education is required to work as a sex worker.

And since many of them have a brain they know that their career will not (hopefully) last long so they put aside money and invest it. They earn good money and they don’t spent all of it. For the rest, well....

At the end, I say that it’s easy and fast money that can be gained by any charming lady who freely decides to work as a sex worker like she could have chosen to learn something and do something else.

 

[sexslave]

On the subject:

"I would never advise someone doing it, if they only wanted to do it like two days a week or something," she said. "It's not a part-time thing in your mind. You wouldn't make enough money." - Monica Huldt , Onlyfans Swedish Star, quoted in Business Insider

Here's the reference of the article and of course a photo to motivate you to read.

https://www.businessinsider.com/onlyfans-monica-huldt-describes-how-makes-money-2020-3

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I want to see her a soon soon as possible lol

What’s her rate? Lol

Does she earn 500$ a week or an hour ?

 

[sexslave]

Trust me, there's absolutely nothing "EASY" about walking into a room with a complete stranger and giving yourself to him.
Most masseuses don't work 5 days a week, some also have part-time or full time jobs. And you're never guaranteed anything. Today you may see 4-5-6 clients and the next 2 days none.
In this pandemic situation, many factors are making it really slow for massage parlours and masseuses.
So that affects their yearly income dramatically.

I agree with you that in this pandemic situation, the business might / is slow like in many other businesses (restaurants, gyms, etc).

I also agree like you said that many sex workers are full time workers (many nurses, ....) and to earn more to have a better life they do work part time as sex workers because the money is good, fast and easy.

 

[rosedelacourt]

I wonder what it's so important to some of you to call our job ''easy''... Having never done it, there is no possible way you can realize how difficult it actually is. Yes one could argue that being a nurse or a CHLSD worker is hard as well (and it really is), but it's simply not the same. You can't compare a socially-acceptable job (praised even) with a job that brings stigma, criminalization, health risks and actual risk of getting assaulted/raped (although this comes with being a woman as well).

I agree that being a sex-worker requires no education and very little investment (time/money) that could justify the higher pay. But what justifies the higher pay are the reasons I have listed previously. I pay my taxes (like a lot of us do) as I do want to be able to buy property, contribute to society and invest. But I can't openly do it as a Sex Worker for fear of being stigmatized or being refused entry in many countries (notably the US). I can't be open about my job out and about without fear of judgment or worse. I have to find a therapist that has no biases towards sex workers, I have to find a doctor who has no biases towards sex workers, I have to find an accountant that has no biases towards sex workers, I could continue this endlessly but you get the point. Most of the time, I can't be vocal about my professional accomplishments (whether it is about making someone feel amazing about themselves, reaching a certain OF goal, a photoshoot, etc) with everybody. My family and friends who know have to also carry my secret with them. All this justifies the money we earn (although again, it's not nearly as high as you think).

All that without also considering that I have to be intimate with a stranger. Someone who won't always treat me the right way, be clean or be respectful. I have to deal with the fact that my body (almost all the way to my pussy) is reviewed on online boards for the whole world to see.

I am very privileged to have CHOSEN sex work as a career instead of being forced into it. I love my job and thankfully my close-ones are accepting of me. But one can't possibly compare any job to this one. No other job carries this much stigma. If you respect Sex Workers as you say you do, then you would listen when we say it's not easy. The government and society isn't on our side. Police officers are not on our side. You can't even BEGIN to imagine what our job entails.

I suggest you all listen to the podcast called The Escort Deconstructed where we discuss many things in great lengths about our jobs. I think as clients you could benefit a lot from hearing our take on things, given a lot of our written feedback isn't often appreciated or taken into consideration.

 

[Flyingby]

I wonder what it's so important to some of you to call our job ''easy''... Having never done it, there is no possible way you can realize how difficult it actually is.

A) some guys here think they are better looking and better in bed than they actually are. (I blame sp fake moans and complements on that). So the sp job was easy
B) some guys think they should be getting a discount, not paying for it. Or getting higher ymmv than others. So again
C) some guys use the word easy to help them justify paying as little a rate as possible or hoping rates go down

seeing sp makes many guys feels like they are players. When in fact they are just spectators.

seriously. If anybody uses the word easy. Put an ad on kijiji and give a dude a blowjob for money. Then report back if it was easy. Heck. Even just try giving another guy a handjob. See if it was easy

 

[funnyricky]

I wonder what it's so important to some of you to call our job ''easy''... Having never done it, there is no possible way you can realize how difficult it actually is. Yes one could argue that being a nurse or a CHLSD worker is hard as well (and it really is), but it's simply not the same. You can't compare a socially-acceptable job (praised even) with a job that brings stigma, criminalization, health risks and actual risk of getting assaulted/raped (although this comes with being a woman as well).

I agree that being a sex-worker requires no education and very little investment (time/money) that could justify the higher pay. But what justifies the higher pay are the reasons I have listed previously. I pay my taxes (like a lot of us do) as I do want to be able to buy property, contribute to society and invest. But I can't openly do it as a Sex Worker for fear of being stigmatized or being refused entry in many countries (notably the US). I can't be open about my job out and about without fear of judgment or worse. I have to find a therapist that has no biases towards sex workers, I have to find a doctor who has no biases towards sex workers, I have to find an accountant that has no biases towards sex workers, I could continue this endlessly but you get the point. Most of the time, I can't be vocal about my professional accomplishments (whether it is about making someone feel amazing about themselves, reaching a certain OF goal, a photoshoot, etc) with everybody. My family and friends who know have to also carry my secret with them. All this justifies the money we earn (although again, it's not nearly as high as you think).

All that without also considering that I have to be intimate with a stranger. Someone who won't always treat me the right way, be clean or be respectful. I have to deal with the fact that my body (almost all the way to my pussy) is reviewed on online boards for the whole world to see.

I am very privileged to have CHOSEN sex work as a career instead of being forced into it. I love my job and thankfully my close-ones are accepting of me. But one can't possibly compare any job to this one. No other job carries this much stigma. If you respect Sex Workers as you say you do, then you would listen when we say it's not easy. The government and society isn't on our side. Police officers are not on our side. You can't even BEGIN to imagine what our job entails.

I suggest you all listen to the podcast called The Escort Deconstructed where we discuss many things in great lengths about our jobs. I think as clients you could benefit a lot from hearing our take on things, given a lot of our written feedback isn't often appreciated or taken into consideration.

Hi rosedelacourt,with everything you just describe as being the tough side of the job(and i belive you of course,Me i never said its was easy,but for sure good money)i wonder what ( Massaging girl) they are doing in this business?i mean,if its that scary,like you describing,i would run away,find myself a job,even if its at low pay job! So why they stay working in this environment? If its not for''the good money'' they make!To pay their school? Ok but why not working somewhere else,like a lot of student? Ah ok,they do this job cause they have to work less,and make more cash.....what does it mean then? if that doesn't mean ''good money''' wellllll...... im in this environment since 28 years,and all the girl ive been asking why they stay in this industrie,and they answer is always: i work less and i make more money......

 

[RVK7]

I wonder what it's so important to some of you to call our job ''easy''... Having never done it, there is no possible way you can realize how difficult it actually is. Yes one could argue that being a nurse or a CHLSD worker is hard as well (and it really is), but it's simply not the same. You can't compare a socially-acceptable job (praised even) with a job that brings stigma, criminalization, health risks and actual risk of getting assaulted/raped (although this comes with being a woman as well).

I agree that being a sex-worker requires no education and very little investment (time/money) that could justify the higher pay. But what justifies the higher pay are the reasons I have listed previously. I pay my taxes (like a lot of us do) as I do want to be able to buy property, contribute to society and invest. But I can't openly do it as a Sex Worker for fear of being stigmatized or being refused entry in many countries (notably the US). I can't be open about my job out and about without fear of judgment or worse. I have to find a therapist that has no biases towards sex workers, I have to find a doctor who has no biases towards sex workers, I have to find an accountant that has no biases towards sex workers, I could continue this endlessly but you get the point. Most of the time, I can't be vocal about my professional accomplishments (whether it is about making someone feel amazing about themselves, reaching a certain OF goal, a photoshoot, etc) with everybody. My family and friends who know have to also carry my secret with them. All this justifies the money we earn (although again, it's not nearly as high as you think).

All that without also considering that I have to be intimate with a stranger. Someone who won't always treat me the right way, be clean or be respectful. I have to deal with the fact that my body (almost all the way to my pussy) is reviewed on online boards for the whole world to see.

I am very privileged to have CHOSEN sex work as a career instead of being forced into it. I love my job and thankfully my close-ones are accepting of me. But one can't possibly compare any job to this one. No other job carries this much stigma. If you respect Sex Workers as you say you do, then you would listen when we say it's not easy. The government and society isn't on our side. Police officers are not on our side. You can't even BEGIN to imagine what our job entails.

I suggest you all listen to the podcast called The Escort Deconstructed where we discuss many things in great lengths about our jobs. I think as clients you could benefit a lot from hearing our take on things, given a lot of our written feedback isn't often appreciated or taken into consideration.

QED/CQFD

Thank you for the reference. I will only add this for the benefit of my colleagues: you have to listen to it with your dick in the locker room.

Enjoy!

 

[rosedelacourt]

Funnyricky, we all have to choose what kind of risk we are willing to accept vs the reward warranted for said risk. Yes it is a choice, but it doesn't mean it's an easy one. Sometimes being an escort with all it entails is better than working 30h a week on top of school and barely scrape by.

 

[rosedelacourt]

A) some guys here think they are better looking and better in bed than they actually are. (I blame sp fake moans and complements on that). So the sp job was easy
B) some guys think they should be getting a discount, not paying for it. Or getting higher ymmv than others. So again
C) some guys use the word easy to help them justify paying as little a rate as possible or hoping rates go down

seeing sp makes many guys feels like they are players. When in fact they are just spectators.

seriously. If anybody uses the word easy. Put an ad on kijiji and give a dude a blowjob for money. Then report back if it was easy. Heck. Even just try giving another guy a handjob. See if it was easy

I love this whole thing. Thank you. Our job is so much more than just opening our legs and faking moans. It also carries the weight of stigma. Every time I read someone say it's easy I think they wouldn't last a week in our shoes. If it's that easy, why aren't you doing it? Men who cater to men are very successful as well. And before you say that you are not homosexual, think about the fact that many female sexworkers are not even heterosexual (they identify as lesbians in their personal lives) and still do a good job/are well reviewed (you can't even tell who). So yeah...like Flyingby said, report back once you've done it and see if it was easy.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I conclude that i can also use another analogie. Let’s talk about a nurse. She spent many years studying and now she’s working night shifts, clean patients, has BIG responsibilities, must keep her knowledge up to date, do overtime wich unfortunately is mandatory in our beloved province, etc.... She can’t work part time if she want to earn a decent pay and pay taxes.

Let’s also talk about a CHSLD worker. We have a shortage of labor because the pay is not good enough.

As far as I know, we don’t have a shortage of SP and masseuses. I am not saying that they do not deserve respect and consideration. I am just saying that no investment / higher education is required to work as a sex worker.

At the end, I say that it’s easy and fast money that can be gained by any charming lady who freely decides to work as a sex worker like she could have chosen to learn something and do something else.

Why do you keep on saying it is easy money? You live in a delusional world. I explained and many others did to you but you seem to be clueless especially since you are not even working as a SW. You speak from a client's perspective. What could you possibly know? Another [...] said how these girls make so much money like 3k a week. I dunno where he got that figure from. Lol Just because it does not require a university degree does not mean it is easy. Try one day working in their shoes see what it is like. Miners also do not need any education but they are paid very highly due to the work being very dangerous, physically demanding, and prolonged periods of social isolation (working very far way in the boonies). Open your eyes and smell the coffee. The only thing is this is fast money. You get paid daily and all in cash. No need for a school degree or to pass through multiple interviews, background checks, and credit checks. One last thing there is an abundance of SP and masseuses due to wealth inequality. I am not saying all are poor but many come from poor backgrounds and get in it for the fast money. The more wealth inequality the more SWs you will have. Read Rosedelacourt's post it summaries the tip of the iceberg.

 

[LeBoudoir]

I have nothing more to add to what Rosedelacourt said. She touched each and every base.