This is the info I got from my sources. They will wait until after this weekend rather than make a statement that will spoil the holidays. That was the decision that was made. Let everyone open their gifts and tell them the bad news next week.
Bye bye Cinema, Bars, StripClubs or others... vaccinated or not ! Im laughing HARD !
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Yup, thats what I think, and just to clear things out: I dont agree with it! And even though I got willfully vaxxed, as a normal responsible citizen, I totally disagree with vaccine passport of any kind, never got it. Thats way too many controls, no way I'm going to show my I.D.s to enter a restaurant, bars or whatever else. I dont even show the cops my I.D.s if they cant provide me with a valid reason to ask for it. I was stunned at the population's reaction to the passport measure, like wtf!!! If the passport had been boycott from the very start we wouldnt have to live with it.
2022 is an election year for Legault, right?
I think his priority now is not to anger the population.
Out of curiosity, do you stop at a red light or stop sign?
Isn't this also imposed and against your basic rights ?
I don’t think he has a car and most pedestrians in Montreal don’t stop or take any notice of red lights so this wouldn’t affect him lol.
It aint all that bad dude, I got unlimited data and free long distance with the chip they injected me with.
Well, thats our french heritage! You cannot expect well behaved and disciplined actions from the people who turned this city into a "partying, sex playground" with their unique, shameless sense of "joie de vivre"! Everything comes with a price! Lol
He doesn't have a car. I think HM's chief mode of transportation is bus. Someone else is doing the driving and dealing with those impositions.
Ouf, thank god
But as you previously stated, besides this hiccup, yes HM's posts usually portray him as a fairly decent and ok guy.
Sure but by then things will have evolve for the worst, look what is going on in Europe, the virus is 10 days ahead overthere compare to here. It's coming, and knowing Québec is always hit stronger than the ROC, it doesnt look good.
Couple points, questions:
1) Did I read correctly 9000 cases last 24h? Curfew is coming. Ive done decent research on covid for a study, one of the dominant factors that flattens the curve is something referred to as a stringency index (every regulation of activities related to transmission is given a number (for adherence), transport (international, local), recreation (gyms, restos), etc.... The higher the stringency index per country the more flat the curve gets, no choice it just works. What are the alternatives?
2) I got the jabs, but I wasnt all for it, not because I dont beleive in vaccines but because I think covid is unnatural. That being said...
Alot of people I know are unvaccinated and are against it. Ive asked them two questions: A) Aside from all the conspiricy research you seem capable of doing, have you researched what was the life expenctancy of a human being pre any vaccines? B) If you are so against everything thats happening, how come you ain't outside protesting or pushing for a call to arms militia style to stand up for your rights, instead fwding me a billion conspiricy theories by whatapp a day (insta-muted)
Never received answers for one person, whats that say?
3) Never seen such a great divide in history of such extremes, I see people running for the next dose and people running away from their first dose, Im scratching my head.
4) One doctor put it pretty well, actually a few of them have, if 0.5% of the infected end up with serious hospitalizations, multiply that by a million infected and divide that by your ICU hospital beds and by staff available. This is pretty much the summary of what anyone in their right mind is trying to avoid, thats it, thats all. Nobody trying to send you to your bedroom.
5) Even though no one admits it, liability insurance has alot to do with vax passports. Whos liable when there is money or a lives lost.
6) I have alot of family/friends who work in hospitals, pre omicron (with constant grilling from me) what has always been told to me was "hey we dont know if this is a conspiricy or not, all we know is the one simple thing: there is a an abnormal influx of people with respirtory distress, take it for what you want, we never seen these numbers".
7) For all the conspiricy theorists (not saying I don't question too but): Try keeping a secret from 5 friends...let alone millions of doctors.
8) When contemplating two (or more) sided situations. I always try to put myself in the opposing position to avoid a selfish perception whether it affects me or not, two of these positions are that of a health care worker in the belly of the beast, fight of their lives trying to save someones life at the same time not trying to bring that virus home 24/7 living on edge, it so happens that kid I tried to save, well he was unvacinated and my whole family caught it, now I'm trying to save my grandfather life. The other of someone who has a limited time to live (true story), with a possible life saving surgery that maybe be put on hold, because priority is to people who have a fighting chance. This someone cant travel or see his loved ones, with the few months he has left.
Bottom line we can only say so much "it aint our problem", till it is.
1) Did I read correctly 9000 cases last 24h? Curfew is coming. Ive done decent research on covid for a study, one of the dominant factors that flattens the curve is something referred to as a stringency index (every regulation of activities related to transmission is given a number (for adherence), transport (international, local), recreation (gyms, restos), etc.... The higher the stringency index per country the more flat the curve gets, no choice it just works. What are the alternatives?
2) I got the jabs, but I wasnt all for it, not because I dont beleive in vaccines but because I think covid is unnatural. That being said...
Alot of people I know are unvaccinated and are against it. Ive asked them two questions: A) Aside from all the conspiricy research you seem capable of doing, have you researched what was the life expenctancy of a human being pre any vaccines? B) If you are so against everything thats happening, how come you ain't outside protesting or pushing for a call to arms militia style to stand up for your rights, instead fwding me a billion conspiricy theories by whatapp a day (insta-muted)
Never received answers for one person, whats that say?
3) Never seen such a great divide in history of such extremes, I see people running for the next dose and people running away from their first dose, Im scratching my head.
4) One doctor put it pretty well, actually a few of them have, if 0.5% of the infected end up with serious hospitalizations, multiply that by a million infected and divide that by your ICU hospital beds and by staff available. This is pretty much the summary of what anyone in their right mind is trying to avoid, thats it, thats all. Nobody trying to send you to your bedroom.
5) Even though no one admits it, liability insurance has alot to do with vax passports. Whos liable when there is money or a lives lost.
6) I have alot of family/friends who work in hospitals, pre omicron (with constant grilling from me) what has always been told to me was "hey we dont know if this is a conspiricy or not, all we know is the one simple thing: there is a an abnormal influx of people with respirtory distress, take it for what you want, we never seen these numbers".
7) For all the conspiricy theorists (not saying I don't question too but): Try keeping a secret from 5 friends...let alone millions of doctors.
8) When contemplating two (or more) sided situations. I always try to put myself in the opposing position to avoid a selfish perception whether it affects me or not, two of these positions are that of a health care worker in the belly of the beast, fight of their lives trying to save someones life at the same time not trying to bring that virus home 24/7 living on edge, it so happens that kid I tried to save, well he was unvacinated and my whole family caught it, now I'm trying to save my grandfather life. The other of someone who has a limited time to live (true story), with a possible life saving surgery that maybe be put on hold, because priority is to people who have a fighting chance. This someone cant travel or see his loved ones, with the few months he has left.
Bottom line we can only say so much "it aint our problem", till it is.
So are most scadinavian countries. Although these countries we're majorly spared with the previous waves. I wonder if not having to go through intensive measures in the first 18 months has led their population to take the whole situation lightly.
Driving is a privilege and not a basic right. Your body and whatever affects it can be considered as basic rights. Driving should be looked at as a game or an activity that follows certain sets of rules and principles, like say chess, or boxing, etc..
Owning a car, which is considered as your right (ownership right) , and driving that car, are 2 different principles. If you do not follow the driving rules, then you loose the privileges' of driving, which is not a basic right. This difference is one of the most debated regarding capital punishment. Since Life is a basic right, no one should be allowed to take it away like you take away privileges.
The Vaccine side do acknowledge your right not to take it, but they take away privilege from you to protect others. In principle, this sounds fair, since restaurants and entertainments are not basic rights, contrarily to education, grocery, hospitals, etc.. Therefore, even though it feels like punishment, the logic in my opinion is sound.
Conspiracy theories aside (as no point reasoning with them anyway), the real debate is to how to manage the crisis. From the very beginning, all those that were pro of letting the Virus loose so that we can develop natural immunity to it were silence pretty quickly and the debate was practically won by the ones who favored the flattening the curve principle. The Vaccine, is another layer of debate, where some of us believe it to be rushed, and are not trusting it enough, while others are pushing for it.
Anyway, all of this to say that comparing apples to ants does not yield a reasonable conclusion. Those against the Vaccine (non conspiracy theorist), do have a claim, and their worries are real, and some did die from it. Even though statistically the number is low, well, to me for example, the ME is all I have
, so as long as it it not super clear the side effects (short and long), I prefer to take my chances with a virus that has a low fatality rates, and accept my privileges' losses. Of course, whether the passport can be considered as a form of coercion and is against freedom of choice, well that is another debate.
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You are comparing Law and Order to Authoritarianism. Not the same thing!
Btw @Halloween Mike, what's the story on that? You say you work, so you should be able to afford a car. It doesn't have to be anything fancy...just something to get around, etc. Do you even have your license btw?
I'd be going crazy during this pandemic without a car. It at least allows me the freedom to cruise around (without my mask on, on top of that), and eases my mind of the current circumstances. No wonder you feel confined...you have no real way of going anywhere, lol.
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You throw that around a lot and seem confused yourself.
Are you implying in Canada we are anything but the former ?
The government has a duty to pass laws to protect society as a whole, be it traffic laws or public health care. Some times those laws are at the expense of personal freedoms.
Locking people down for a virus that has a 97% survival rate is authoritarianism or forcing vaccines and forcing curfews or shutting down businesses, forcing masks. Having a police to go after criminals (that committed a murder or a bank robbery) is law and order. Having traffic signs is law and order. You get the difference? The government's duty is to govern and ensure law and order not to play Grandma.
You obviously don't understand what an authoritarian regime is.
Wikipedia is nice and short :
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of a strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting.
When a majority can vote out a government, on a very fixed schedule, should they invoke laws the majority disagree with, that isn't authoritarianism.
You are confusing laws that YOU personally do not like with authoritarianism.
You get the difference ?
This point is mute because Fidel Castro and Adolf Hitler were also voted into power. Government is able to manipulate the population which is what is happening right now. When the media is subsidized by the government who are spreading government propaganda it is not so much a democracy anymore. Media is repeating the same doomsday messaging 24/7, keep the population scared then the government comes to the rescue with providing a false sense of security with restrictions and lockdowns. This is my definition of insanity. So I stick with what I said problem is authoritarianism and you should not be comparing law and order to authoritarianism.
