Ban on dancing?
Wasn't that the plot of the movie Footloose?
Yep, it's a clown world alright.
Thank God I was young in the 80's and 90's and got to enjoy myself.
Bye bye Cinema, Bars, StripClubs or others... vaccinated or not ! Im laughing HARD !
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Wasn't that the plot of the movie Footloose?
Yep, it's a clown world alright.
Thank God I was young in the 80's and 90's and got to enjoy myself.
You have really hit on something. It's amazing that some young people will foam at the mouth and scream in the streets against Trump or a cop shooting some criminal but will submit to lockdowns restricting their freedom of movement. AND will call those protesting to have our freedom back racists and homophobes.
Welcome to Clown World.
When you step back and look at the acquiescence, particularly among the 20- and 30-somethings, as well as college students, it really is an eye-opener.
They’ve been programmed to become government doormats and ordered to virtue signal in the streets and raise a ruckus over the government’s political enemies. Real life is becoming stranger than fiction.
I’m not that old, but I guarantee my generation would have said “we’re not staying in past 10pm” and “I’m getting the vaccine because I want the vaccine, not because some corrupt, dotard politician, who exempted himself, is telling me to so I can freely go out and about.”
I really don’t think there is any coming back from this. The re-programming has been done. Hope I’m wrong.
Yes there's something wrong when a 50-something Republican like me is the rebel and a 20-something is the prudish, preachy uptight one who wants to obey everything the government says and follow the media narrative.
Strange days, indeed.
Yes the Covid Youth thing thinking that this should be the new normal is pretty scary.
My personal experience, my friends and almost 90 percent of my clients are in favor of the protests. I know the polls are saying only 30 percent of Canadians are, but these are also the same ones that painted them as the fringe minority.
Imagine from a fringe minority to the one third in just few weeks.
That same media was feeding us the news regarding the pandemic, the virus, the solutions, etc.. Time is the enemy of lies, and with time, people are realizing that something is wrong with what we have been fed as information. Lots of contradictions in explanations, and regulations versus reality. Most of the people had a direct experience with the Virus by now (either directly or through others). Unfortunately, while some had horrific ones, most of the others, their experiences were not so scary.
The media just focused on the scary ones, and painted (voluntarily or not) the whole scene like a Zombie movie. Fear was always the main theme, and they kept feeding it to us on many levels: Your health, your elders, crash of hospitals, longue term effect, etc. Amid all this fear campaign, they claimed the solution, and pushed it through punishing those that refused it. It is hard to rebel when you do not really see clearly what is correct and what is not. One of the biggest success they had achieved, was mixing the Anti Mandates and Anti Vaccination. While you can be both, but you can also be with Vaccination and anti Mandate. I am Anti Mandate, and I believe that people at risk should be Vaccinated. To this Government, I will be considered anti Vaccination (or conspiracist)
This winter, their solution was tested, and their solution has failed. The Vaccine's objectives regressed from stopping the Pandemic, to just reducing your risks of getting "very sick and hospitalized". However, the measures that were used to stop or control the Pandemic were kept, instead of being removed. Trudeau keeps saying our way out of the Pandemic is getting Vaccinated. What does that really mean? Our way out? If we all get Vaccinated, will COVID with all of it variants stop from spreading? The Clear Answer is NO. He needs to redefine the "way out". A new theory is now emerging, the ones the British have decided to go with, and more countries are following, and it is "Living with COVID".
The Convoy protest is the first, and it will not be the last if this continues. What this action has demonstrated is that people have a memory. You cannot claim something, and then just switch it. Until just recently, my hopes were really low, but I think that people just needed time. The convoy has broken that Fear of coming forward. More and more Politicians are taking that fight. At least, at this stage, the abuse is not going to increase, and hopefully, all this will become a thing of the past very soon.
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I don’t think we know the same people. There are more and more 20 something kids who want change in this rigid approach to the covid crisis. But eventually cooler head will prevail and things will loosen up. The chsld crisis really hit the gouvernement hard and they try to blame the virus for everything when most of the blame should go to over centralized control of the health system. Making it unmanageable.
The head of the public health, Boileau, beside not knowing how to lower the volume on a computer, couldn't even give a proper reason why to keep the pass. I understand why they want to keep the mask. I would personally be totally ok if they said "public transports, hospitals" mais maybe even bars when they reopen. But at this point it makes no sense to keep it in stores. That said alright, there is AT LEAST a reason being it and despite its annoying nature, at least its the same for everyone, so it can't be considered discrimination.
But the pass totally is. The old black lady, Regine something, that was at "Le Bilan" on TVA litteraly says it like its all fine, that its PURELY a measure to reward vaccinated for having follow the narrative. I wonder how some peoples can't understand how dangereous that idea is. Basically if you don't follow everything the governement says, you get discriminated and blocked at many places. Thats a dangerous precedant. You can't keep a measure simply on the concept of being a reward. If there is no scientific base behind it, it must go, and right now, it does not !
But the pass totally is. The old black lady, Regine something, that was at "Le Bilan" on TVA litteraly says it like its all fine, that its PURELY a measure to reward vaccinated for having follow the narrative. I wonder how some peoples can't understand how dangereous that idea is. Basically if you don't follow everything the governement says, you get discriminated and blocked at many places. Thats a dangerous precedant. You can't keep a measure simply on the concept of being a reward. If there is no scientific base behind it, it must go, and right now, it does not !
I have not read this long thread...but just want to say...
I was for the vaccine passport for a long time, but now i don't see the medical reason for it. basically everybody is at least partially vaccinated or has had it...
the only thing governments should be doing now is distributing vacccines, testing and increasing hospital capacity. point final. If someone has a co-morbidity and does not want to get vaccinated that's his problem, don't make it mine.
I was for the vaccine passport for a long time, but now i don't see the medical reason for it. basically everybody is at least partially vaccinated or has had it...
the only thing governments should be doing now is distributing vacccines, testing and increasing hospital capacity. point final. If someone has a co-morbidity and does not want to get vaccinated that's his problem, don't make it mine.
You hit the nail on the head. Vaccination passport lost all scientific justifications and is now nothing more but the loyalty pledge to the government.
That is not where the evidence leads us. We have herd immunity so vaccin passports are pretty useless but masks still retain their usefulness as they prevent disease spread of upper airway tract infections. Covid influenza and the rest. But still should be optional. I’d wear one in crowded places.
That might be true but it should be optional and the individual should decide for themselves. I personally cannot stand the masks. They are so annoying, you got to keep on covering your mouth and nose whenever I ride the subway, sit inside anywhere and I wear glasses so it all fogs up. Then going to a bar and to wear masks really not fun at all. Imagine the kids sitting in class masked up all day and not seeing anyones face.
If it's true 2 million people caught Omicron, imagine if they had not f'd up testing. Everyone that tested positive could get their passport stamped, we'd have 99% of people with a stamped passport and we could say no need to control through the passport anymore.
Since day 1 a positive test should have been equivalent of a vaccination.
The passport has value in very specific situations. Nothing wrong with us having the infrastructure and enable/suspend it's everyday use as the epidemiological situation evolves.
At this point in time it makes no sense. I suspect it will be paused March 14th.
If a mask is so annoying for you then you need to use a more comfortable mask.
And what bar are you wearing masks at? If you are, you're doing it wrong. Sure it's nonsensical to have to put it on when you get up from the table, but that's not most of your time at the venue.
The issue with bars is its very crowded, and with alcohol flooring its really easy to forget about being carefull. Often bars are small venues as well so lots of peoples in a small place = ambiant particules. The thing is when it comes to bars im not even sure i would want to visit them even if i could right now. One of the places i enjoyed to go was Arcade MTL and the fun part about it was to hop from one arcade to another, playing and drinking at the same time. I don't see how this could be done in current context. In a more traditional bar, pool is another thing fun to do. But you can't play and drink in between shots if i get the current concept of when you forced to mask. Its really a cluster fuck. Of course if you just want to go to a bar to sit with a friend and drink at a table i supose its fine...
Personally i really dislike the mask as well like Cloud but like i said i would be willing to use it in very crowded areas like subway stations. But im so tired to have to put this on when entering the convenient store only to pick a pack of beer. I feel its so useless. To be honest im kinda surprised its been 2 years and we still rely on cloath and surgival mask. No one invented a proper respirator device that would filter the air or something like that. Is it too science fiction?lol
And to get back on the passeport, yes, minutemenx nailed it, a loyalty pledge to the gov. Do what they tell you, get another dose when they want you to, and be dependant on them. Maybe if they would ask for it during the very crowded christmas season and such, like lets say December 15 to January 15 or something, there could be some logic but if they keep this during the summer time, you know its nothing but a punitive device.
Personally i really dislike the mask as well like Cloud but like i said i would be willing to use it in very crowded areas like subway stations. But im so tired to have to put this on when entering the convenient store only to pick a pack of beer. I feel its so useless. To be honest im kinda surprised its been 2 years and we still rely on cloath and surgival mask. No one invented a proper respirator device that would filter the air or something like that. Is it too science fiction?lol
And to get back on the passeport, yes, minutemenx nailed it, a loyalty pledge to the gov. Do what they tell you, get another dose when they want you to, and be dependant on them. Maybe if they would ask for it during the very crowded christmas season and such, like lets say December 15 to January 15 or something, there could be some logic but if they keep this during the summer time, you know its nothing but a punitive device.
The thread title says Bye bye Cinema, Strip clubs, bars, etc...
Ya that's true but only if you're in Quebec...lol
Look at Saskatchewan, they're ending all covid mandates! And opening everything up! Lol
Ya that's true but only if you're in Quebec...lol
Look at Saskatchewan, they're ending all covid mandates! And opening everything up! Lol
So has Alberta and Manitoba will be doing it soon also. Ontario has also talked about the possibility to drop vaccine passports. Legault is very stubborn and craves power, it will take a long while for him to drop these mandates. Quebec will probably be the last one to drop vaccine passports and masks.
March 14th is the day after Legault have the obligation to provide the full report of the emergency measures and be responsible for the mess of the pandemic... so he will not be stock with this burden for his election !
Yes Manitoba is dropping soon, adding itself to Alberta and Saskatchewan. There is talk of maybe "suspending" it iin Quebec but from my reading of this, they want to litteraly change the law to incorporate it at will when they want, while not being in an sanitary emergency situation like now. This is really ridiculous at this point.
All those complaining ;@Halloween Mike you gonna donate your 500$?
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