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Two Classics- M and Alexander Nevsky

This week I saw two old film classics recommended earlier in the thread, M, a German film made in 1931 by Fritz Lang, and Alexander Nevsky, a Russian historical film made in 1938 by Sergei Eisenstein.

Of the two, I liked M better as film art. Interestingly, I got a restored version of M and although it was made in 1931, the visual and sound quality and the translation from German was MUCH better than the version of Alexander Nevsky I saw which was made in 1938. M is about a serial killer of young girls, very interestingly portrayed by Peter Lorre who would later become a world famous actor. The film has some very interesting scenes and analyzes the social issues of pedophilia and crime and punishment intelligently. The film chiefly focuses on the Berlin police's investigation of the crimes and the underworld's reaction to the aggressiveness of the police investigation, culminating in the development of a trail that leads to the criminal. In many respects and especially from the architectural and technological standpoints, I find it as interesting to watch an old movie like this as I do to visit an old Courthouse that was state of the art in that time frame, but is an old relic now.

Alexander Nevsky is interesting mostly from a historical perspective, but I did not find it to be great cinema on any level. It's a propaganda film made right before World War II. The acting is ordinary, and the translation from Russian was worse than horrible - sentences translated as "who be there?" and "what mean you?" throughout the film - I got the gist of it, but it was very far from perfect. The plot is very jingositic and nationalistic towards Russia, and anti-German. The Russian characters are all jovial and patriotic, while the German invaders are all shifty, duplicitous, ruthless child-killers who are depicted as arrogantly emboldened with a false perception of their military power, and in the end they are portrayed as shamed cowards. Of course the movie was made in the years just preceding the breakout of World War II when a lot of saber ratting was going on between the countries. Interestingly the movie was removed from circulation as part of the 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact of non-aggression between Germany and Russia, and was then recirculated heavily in 1941 after Germany broke that pact and attacked Russia. It is ironic that the Germans in World War II suffered a similar fate in Russia as did the Teutonic Nights in 1242 at the hands of Prince Nevsky and his men.

The music in the movie is pompously pro-nationalistic military jingles. The entire movie is very black and white insofar as portraying Russian unity, Russian patriotism and German aggression and duplicity. It makes for a good political and historical discussion, but it just isn't good cinema, as I found M to be. I would add that the battle scenes in 1930's All Quiet On The Western Front are much more authentic than the fateful battle on the frozen lake in Alexander Nevsky.
 

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A Place In The Sun

Tonight I watched this 1951 Classic which won 6 Academy Awards and the very 1st Golden Globe Award for Best Picture. The movie is based on the novel "An American Tragedy" by Theodore Dreiser, and stars Montgomery Clift and a then 19-year old Elizabeth Taylor.

Clift portrays George Eastman, who comes from a poor family of midwestern missionaries. While working as a bellhop at a Chicago hotel, he has a chance meeting with his wealthy uncle, industrialist Charles Eastman, who is estranged from his missionary sister, George's mother. Uncle Charles is very impressed with George, who has clearly rejected his family's missionary work, and offers him a job at his factory. Although George is told that there is a very strict anti-fraternization policy with female co-workers, he is a very lonely and horny guy, and immediately proceeds to fuck the first female co-worker who pays attention to him, the equally lonely Alice Tripp, played by Shelly Winters. Alice soons get pregnant, but in the meantime, George meets and immediately falls in love with gorgeous 19 year old socialite Angela Vickers, played by the stunning Elizabeth Taylor. George's feeble attempts to manage simultaneous relationships with the 2 women ultimately ends in tragedy.

The movie somewhat superficially deals with the tension between religion and capitalism and class in American society.

I recommend the movie in part because it is a somewhat fascinating showcase of Montgomery Clift's skills as an actor. Clift developed a niche for playing moody, conflicted young men, and he was able to pull it off based on his facial expressions and body language as an actor. He did not have a particularly powerful or resonant voice nor does he deliver his spoken lines particularly well, but his non-verbal communication of his emotions made him a superior actor.

In contrast to Clift's performance is the outstanding supporting role of Raymond Burr as the District Attorney, who is more of the classic actor with the deep resonant voice.

I enjoyed and would recommend the film.
 

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Deer Hunter

Classic 1978 film which won the Academy Award for Best Picture, about 3 friends from a small Pennsylvania steel town who go to fight in the Vietnam War, and end up changed forever. The movie features Robert DeNiro as the main character who is the "Deer Hunter". One oddity I noticed is that during the course of the film we see him hunting Deer left handed (left finger on trigger) before Vietnam, but right handed (right finger on trigger) after Vietnam, with no injury to explain the "switch hunting". Meryl Streep is also excellent in this film, as is Christopher Walken (won Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor).

The movie is 3 hours and 3 minutes long, and there is a very long Russian wedding scene towards the beginning of the movie, but the entire movie has a very authentic feel to it and I did not find it overly long or boring at all. There are really no politics in the film - it's just a portrayal of 3 friends from the same town, and how the war impacts them, their families and other friends. and relationships with each other.

Interesting note: although the film features a stellar cast, DeNiro was the 1st person cast, and he insisted as a condition of being cast that Meryl Streep, then relatively unknown, and her boyfriend John Cazale (who was Fredo in Godfather) also be cast in the film. The studio agreed to Streep but did not want Cazale, who was dying of terminal cancer when the film was made. Cazale was uninsurable and the Studio did not think he would live through the production. However an insistent DeNiro paid for Cazale's insurance and brokered a deal in which all of Cazale's scenes were shot first. Cazale does not look particularly healthy in the film and he died as production wrapped, never seeing the finished film, in which he delivers a good performance. Streep lived with him until he died, and she looks absolutely gorgeous in the movie, which was made when she was still in her 20s.
 

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Giant (1956)

This 3 hour and 21 minute epic is a classic American film starring Rock Hudson, Elizabeth Taylor and James Dean (who was nominated for an Academy Award for his performance). The film chronicles 3 decades of life in a wealthy Texas rancher's family, spanning the years 1920-1950 approximately. It deals with issues of class struggle, racism and inherited money vs. nouveaux rich. At the core of the film is a deep conflict between James Dean's character, poor ranch hand Jett Rink, and his employer, the Rock Hudson character, wealthy rancher Jordan "Bick" Benedict. The conflict between Jett and Bick widens after Bick's tragically killed sister leaves a will devising a small piece of land to Jett, which is later found to sit on top of the biggest oil wells in Texas, making Jett even richer than Bick.

The film is made in color, a rarity for its time, and all 3 lead actors give great performances, which in the case of James Dean was his last, as the film was released after Dean was tragically killed in a car accident. He was awarded his second straight Academy Award nomination posthumously.
 

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Just watched the Godfather. I hadn't seen it in about 40 years but it all came back to me. This is the greatest movie of all times I think according to Rotten Tomatoes and the #2 movie according to IMDB.
 

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This 3 hour and 21 minute epic is a classic American film starring Rock Hudson, Elizabeth Taylor and James Dean (who was nominated for an Academy Award for his performance). The film chronicles 3 decades of life in a wealthy Texas rancher's family, spanning the years 1920-1950 approximately.

I've had the dvd of this movie for a few years and still haven't watched it. If i remember correctly, the great tv series "Dallas" was based on this movie. Ironic that two of the top three stars of this film also happened to be gay.
 

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Just watched the Godfather. I hadn't seen it in about 40 years but it all came back to me. This is the greatest movie of all times I think according to Rotten Tomatoes and the #2 movie according to IMDB.

I agree that it's one of the greatest movies of all time. I also liked Godfather II, which also won the Oscar for best movie, the only time a sequel ever won the top prize.
 

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Clift portrays George Eastman, who comes from a poor family of midwestern missionaries.

'A Place in the Sun' also is a great & favorite movie of mine. Elizabeth Taylor was absolutely beautiful to look at in this movie. Montgomery Clift was also as good in one of my other favorite classics, 'From Here to Eternity'.
 

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Classic 1978 film which won the Academy Award for Best Picture, about 3 friends from a small Pennsylvania steel town who go to fight in the Vietnam War, and end up changed forever. The movie features Robert DeNiro as the main character who is the "Deer Hunter".

'The Deer Hunter' is one of my favorite movies of all time once the opening scene (the wedding) is over & done with. I usually fast-forward this very extended scene when i re-watch this movie. I was always under the impression that the 'deer hunter' could actually be a reference to the Christopher Walken character....or both he and the DeNiro character, since they always used to go deer-hunting together & several refences to their deer-hunting days are made throughout the movie when both are in the same scene.

This movie was Michael Cimino's career-achievement. He tried to replicate his success in a western movie called "Heaven's Gate", which was a total failure & likely ruined his career. The movie was re-edited several times & i actually didn't find it that bad at all. But i did find it a bit too long.
 

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Jaws

Last week i decided to watch this movie again, but this time in blu-ray. They did a heck of a job when they converted it to blu-ray. The image and the sound are absolutely amazing!

The movie stars the late Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss & the late Robert Shaw. The movie was directed by a young Steven Spielberg & this is the movie that 'made' him & where he became known as one of Hollywood's most promising directors.

It's about a great white shark who terrorizes one of Martha's Vineyard beaches & there is a lot of suspense throughout the movie, aided by the film's great musical score whenever the shark is in attack mode.

Several sequels were made but were not as successful as the original. Great special effects involving the shark for its time period.
 

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The Man Who Would Be King, with Michael Caine and Sean Connery, directed by John Huston. With a part also by Caine's stunningly beautiful wife Shakira. This is one of my favorite movies, based on the story by Rudyard Kipling. I've probably seen it two dozen times. A total guy movie, btw. You're doing yourself a disservice by not watching it.

It has also given me something to think about when I'm the one who has to make the short walk across the small hotel lobby to see an SP -- you've got to brass it out. As in the first 1:20 or so of the below clip. Don't cheat and look up the ending on YouTube. Watch the movie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y603JX88PtQ
 

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Day of the Jackal (1973)

This is a very well done political thriller about a conspiracy to assassinate French president Charles de Gaulle, by a group of right wingers in the French military who feel de Gaulle sold out to terrorists by giving Algeria its independence in 1962. They hire a British assassin code named The Jackal, who is pursued by a resourceful French police detective, Commissioner Lebel. There are many plot twists and turns and an unexpected ending.
 

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After reading EB's post about GIANT yesterday, i decided to finally watch this movie. I've had it in my dvd collection since 2007 when it was last restored. Well, i wasn't disappointed. Even though it's over 3 hours long, it flew by somewhat quicker than i figured and i was disappointed it didn't last longer when it ended. I didn't know until now that the movie's quality had considerably deteriorated over the years and that the recent restoration (especially its color) was dubbed a masterpiece after the restoration (under the guidance of George Stevens, Jr) was completed.

Although it's a drama, there were many funny scenes in the movie, especially in the final hour. James Dean and Rock Hudson were at their acting best in that movie. Elizabeth Taylor simply reminded me of what a beautiful and talented actress she was at the time. Dean's best moments came in the final hour in the scenes where his character is pissed drunk. What's ironic is that Dean hated those scenes and pleaded with the director to remove them, which the director declined to do.

What surprised me about the movie was it's anti-racism statment at the time it was made. Back in those days, you rarely saw a movie that exposed & denounced racism (and sexism) as much as this movie did. The racist behaviors seen in the movie haven't changed much today, considering how the Republicans view immigrants with foreign backgrounds (e.g. latino) and all the b.s. going on in Arizona. In this movie, replace Texas with Arizona and you get the picture. You also understand more the backlash towards Texas Governor Rick Perry during the last GOP primaries in regards to what was perceived as his pro-latino stance.

The movie also starred Caroll Baker, Mercedes McCambridge, Dennis Hopper, Sal Mineo and a cast of others. Directed by George Stevens, it has a big of a soap-opera element to it and i wasn't surprised of claims i had heard in the past that the tv series 'Dallas' had been based on the movie 'Giant'.

I hadn't realized until now that George Stevens had also directed the movie "A Place in the Sun" previously, which had also starred Elizabeth Taylor. Stevens had supposedly approached Montgomery Cliff to portray the character played by James Dean. Speaking of Dean, he didn't have the most scenes in the movie, but he was mesmerizing in all of the ones he was in. According to Caroll Baker, Dean & Hudson were competing with one another for Taylor's attention. Both Dean and Taylor became very good friends while making this movie & she was hurt deeply when she found out of his passing prior to the end of the movie's production. She also became lifelong friends with Rock Hudson during this movie. In one scene, they were both suppsedly extremely hung over after a night of drinking heavily where they got to know one another better at the beginning of filming. On-set watchers had no idea how hungover they were and were left very touched with the scene in question and rumour has it there wasn't a dry-eye in the place.

One last thing: back in those days when a movie contained scenes where the main actors needed to age considerably during the movie, they'd chose middle-aged actors and make them appear younger and then older as time went on. This was an easier trick to pull off. But George Stevens decided he'd do something different, so he chose younger actors and aged them as the movie went on. Surprisingly, it worked!! I was totally sold by the aging process imposed on Elizabeth Taylor & Rock Hudson. I was sold by their performance and forgot that they were all in their 20's when this movie was made. Actors Caroll Baker & Dennis Hopper were only a couple of years or so younger than Elizabeth Taylor (and Hudson), yet played the part of their daughter and son in the movie.

To conclude, i must admit that i may have never watched this movie (even though i already had the dvd) had it not been for this great thread on old (and not-so-old) movie classics.
 

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This is a very well done political thriller about a conspiracy to assassinate French president Charles de Gaulle, by a group of right wingers in the French military who feel de Gaulle sold out to terrorists by giving Algeria its independence in 1962.

I remember watching this movie as a kid when it came out in the early 70's. I remember it playing on french tv's "Les Grands Films", which was one of the rare times we could watch good movies on tv prior to the invention of the Sony Betamax.
 

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Actually, the movie was made in English, and the only concession is that certain of the French characters speak English with French accents, while others do not have any accents at all. The actor who plays Claude Lebel, the French police detective, is a French actor but all his dialogue is in English. I think the movie was made for an English speaking audience in Great Britain. This is not an American film- it is a British-French production and filmed mostly on location in Paris.

One very recognizable English actor in the movie is Derek Jacobi, who plays the trusted assistant to Claude Lebel.
 

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By the way at the very beginning of the movie "The Day of the Jackal" there is a dramatic re-enactment of the unsuccessful assassination attempt on de Gaulle on August 22, 1962. Agents of the OAS sprayed 140 shots at the de Gaulle motorcade but only managed to kill 2 bodyguards and no shots actually hit de Gaulle. The ringleader of these assassins, who claimed he was not worried about the death penalty "because no French soldier will raise his rifle at me", was in fact executed by a firing squad.
 

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Actually, the movie was made in English, and the only concession is that certain of the French characters speak English with French accents, while others do not have any accents at all. The actor who plays Claude Lebel, the French police detective, is a French actor but all his dialogue is in English. I think the movie was made for an English speaking audience in Great Britain. This is not an American film- it is a British-French production and filmed mostly on location in Paris.

I believe it was made for both french and english audiences. Similar to the mini-series "Napoleon", which had both french-speaking and english-speaking actors. For the french version of the movie, the english-speaking actors' voices were dubbed with french voices, and vice-versa for the english version of the movie. This isn't uncommon in European movies, where i've seen this many times. For example, the very good movie "The Christmas Tree" with actors William Holden, Brooke Fuller & french actor Bourville were dubbed depending in which version (french or engilsh) you'd watch it in. Italian actress Virna Lisi was also in that movie.
 

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One last thing: back in those days when a movie contained scenes where the main actors needed to age considerably during the movie, they'd chose middle-aged actors and make them appear younger and then older as time went on. This was an easier trick to pull off. But George Stevens decided he'd do something different, so he chose younger actors and aged them as the movie went on. Surprisingly, it worked!! I was totally sold by the aging process imposed on Elizabeth Taylor & Rock Hudson. I was sold by their performance and forgot that they were all in their 20's when this movie was made. Actors Caroll Baker & Dennis Hopper were only a couple of years or so younger than Elizabeth Taylor (and Hudson), yet played the part of their daughter and son in the movie.

I also found it fascinating how they aged the characters in the movie. I agree with you that James Dean, Elizabeth Taylor and Rock Hudson were all at the top of their game in this movie.

In addition to being anti-racist, the film has a famous anti-sexism scene in which Elizabeth Taylor is shooed away from a conversation among the men about politics. Taylor proceeds to give the men a piece of her mind. I thought this was her best scene in the whole movie.
 
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