Climate change

[Don Julio]

Those folks need to stop being obstructionists and be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Not obstructionist but realists. We can only advance at a certain rate, causing a panic to spend more money ( see the Canada carbon tax ), governments giving billions of taxpayers dollars to fund other countries which will not see 10% of given funds to climate change. Scrapping save the trees to rid plastic use ( it was found the glue used in paper straws is bad for the environment but the media will not report that ). I am all for the environment but more for having the future generations ability to live in a economically sound environment.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Not obstructionist but realists. We can only advance at a certain rate, causing a panic to spend more money ( see the Canada carbon tax ), governments giving billions of taxpayers dollars to fund other countries which will not see 10% of given funds to climate change. Scrapping save the trees to rid plastic use ( it was found the glue used in paper straws is bad for the environment but the media will not report that ). I am all for the environment but more for having the future generations ability to live in a economically sound environment.

"Realists" who for years have denied the existence of man-made climate change and, those that now acknowledge it, are against efforts to combat it. Those "realists"?

 

[Don Julio]

"Realists" who for years have denied the existence of man-made climate change and, those that now acknowledge it, are against efforts to combat it. Those "realists"?

I tend to not put all people into one group, the vast majority of Republicans / Conservatives do know the climate is changing but also understand we are working on it and it will take time ( 10 yrs on earth is like a nano second in your life for comparison ). There are the wack job climate people who glue themselves to cars and roads but I do not group all Democrats / Liberals into the same group by adding Ultra leftwing as liberal people do who they do not agree with.
Been reading that the Canadian environment minister set a date of 2030 or something like that for net zero but has recently been appointed to some China council of some sort and OK'D them to 2060. Makes sense to who? Climate change agenda is making many millionaires while it make the middle class poorer, and for what? If you never read your choice of media and was not alarmed would you have even noticed it?
As I stated, almost certain that if we kept up with the normal advancements the climate would not amplify as the alarmists claim.
1.9 degree increase in 150 years with speculation of an emergency, well.

 

[CLOUD 500]

"Realists" who for years have denied the existence of man-made climate change and, those that now acknowledge it, are against efforts to combat it. Those "realists"?

What efforts have been made to combat it? Get real here. Politicians are increasing the population because all they care about is making money. Liberal governments are using man-made climate change to scam people into adding a carbon tax but in reality it is nothing but a revenue collection scheme. If they really were serious to want to combat climate change they would start by slowing down population growth. Too many humans represents the biggest threat to the planet. More humans = more man made climate change. More humans = more destruction of natural habitat. Nature not only absorbs carbon dioxide to release oxygen it also acts as a temperature moderator. Trudeau and other politicians would stop zipping around the world in their private jets. Btw over half of forest fires are caused by humans and razing forests to build more man made infrastructure to house more humans makes forest fires spread very fast.

 

[Jazzman1218]

What efforts have been made to combat it? Get real here. Politicians are increasing the population because all they care about is making money. Liberal governments are using man-made climate change to scam people into adding a carbon tax but in reality it is nothing but a revenue collection scheme. If they really were serious to want to combat climate change they would start by slowing down population growth. Too many humans represents the biggest threat to the planet. More humans = more man made climate change. More humans = more destruction of natural habitat. Nature not only absorbs carbon dioxide to release oxygen it also acts as a temperature moderator. Trudeau and other politicians would stop zipping around the world in their private jets. Btw over half of forest fires are caused by humans and razing forests to build more man made infrastructure to house more humans makes forest fires spread very fast.

Always so much to unpack with your posts. I'll leave that Herculean effort to someone younger and with more free time. Nevertheless, it's worth saying that politicians don't increase population - people do that all by themselves. If you're referring to immigration, that's a different discussion. However, immigration relocates worldwide population it doesn't reduce it. And how does government intervention by slowing down births square with a libertarian "freedom" argument? (that's a rhetorical question by the way).

 

[CLOUD 500]

Always so much to unpack with your posts. I'll leave that Herculean effort to someone younger and with more free time. Nevertheless, it's worth saying that politicians don't increase population - people do that all by themselves. If you're referring to immigration, that's a different discussion. However, immigration relocates worldwide population it doesn't reduce it. And how does government intervention by slowing down births square with a libertarian "freedom" argument? (that's a rhetorical question by the way).

Not at all. I am referring to child care benefits. I already posted a link with all the countries offering many financial incentives to have more kids. I am against that. As for immigration, that is a big part of another problem not related to this thread.

The Government Will Pay You to Have Babies in These Countries

Strategy to address plunging birth rates.

money.com

Examples of what I am talking about. I took this out of the article I just posted.

In Estonia, families are rewarded for having more children. The larger the family the more money they receive. This, combined with other financial benefits and a year-long paid maternity leave, has helped birth rates to rise, and could be improving or at least stabilizing the economy.

That is so wrong to tax single people to pay people to have more kids. This in a nutshell is what I was talking about governments increasing the population. As you can see hidden under the agenda all they care about is making more money. The whole climate change thing is just smoke and mirrors. Actions prove what I am saying is true.

 

[Don Julio]

Nevertheless, it's worth saying that politicians don't increase population - people do that all by themselves.

When a government increases child benefits it increases population, basically a proven point. For the population in Canada when the government ( Trudeau ) wants 500,000 immigrants a year the politicians again increase the population.

 

[Jazzman1218]

When a government increases child benefits it increases population, basically a proven point. For the population in Canada when the government ( Trudeau ) wants 500,000 immigrants a year the politicians again increase the population.

No, it doesn't. Government programs that benefit children are what governments are supposed to do to protect their most vulnerable citizens. Can we get back to discussing Climate Change please?

 

[CLOUD 500]

When a government increases child benefits it increases population, basically a proven point. For the population in Canada when the government ( Trudeau ) wants 500,000 immigrants a year the politicians again increase the population.

That is in addition to 900,000 international students, 500,000 temporary foreign workers, and who knows how many refugees probably at least half a million. That is a minimum of 1.5 million people. Yet they want to reduce the carbon footprint and make ppl stupid by saying that a carbon tax will do that. Lol Trudeau tricked many gullible ppl to collect more revenue to fund his spending spree.

 

[Don Julio]

. Can we get back to discussing Climate Change please?

But climate change is due to population, this was brought up to show governments increase population which causes increased climate change.

 

[CLOUD 500]

No, it doesn't. Government programs that benefit children are what governments are supposed to do to protect their most vulnerable citizens. Can we get back to discussing Climate Change please?

Spending other peoples money is easy. Government programs are organized theft. The government essentially turned kids into a commodity, they turned them into future potential taxpayers a means to make profits. They are only protecting their own revenues. And you are in denial if this has nothing to do with climate change. It is a matter of simple mathematics, more humans means more pollution. Our Socialist mayor is trying to force everyone to ride the bike and use public transit while herself goes in her large SUV. She said there are too many cars? What to expect when Montreal's population is over 4.5 million people. The more people you bring to Canada., the more Canada pollutes. How much of Montreal's and surrounding area greenspace is being wiped out to build more condos? Destroying all this natural landscape is a big contributor to pollution. Trees are need to release oxygen and absorb carbon dioxide and they also moderate the temperature. I love nature and animals and governments are wiping it all out just to make more money. They are increasing the population just to make more money. All they care about is money. Greed will be humanity's undoing.

 

[Jazzman1218]

But climate change is due to population, this was brought up to show governments increase population which causes increased climate change.

But that's a fallacy. Your entire argument is based on erroneous assumptions. Governments don't increase worldwide population. A population increase in one place due to immigration is because of a population decrease somewhere else. Government programs that take care of children doesn’t result in more births.

 

[CLOUD 500]

But that's a fallacy. Your entire argument is based on erroneous assumptions. Governments don't increase worldwide population. A population increase in one place due to immigration is because of a population decrease somewhere else. Government programs that take care of children doesn’t result in more births.

Not erroneous at all. Governments are bringing people primarily from poor countries and they always have lots of kids. They come running here for the social benefits (government programs). I saw many many with 4+ kids, think of how much free money they are getting. They are also the first to get social housing. Many are not even working and do not need to. Raising lots of kids is a money making business mostly for poor people who came from poor countries. So yes governments are increasing the population worldwide. This is not just happening in Canada, they are doing this in many other G7 countries and the root of all of this is the far-left organization The United Nations. It is weird how they push for climate change reduction while at the same time actively boosting the population which increases pollution. It is kind of like constantly filling your tank with gas but someone else is making the hole in the tank bigger.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Not erroneous at all. Governments are bringing people primarily from poor countries and they always have lots of kids. They come running here for the social benefits (government programs). I saw many many with 4+ kids, think of how much free money they are getting. They are also the first to get social housing. Many are not even working and do not need to. Raising lots of kids is a money making business mostly for poor people who came from poor countries. So yes governments are increasing the population worldwide. This is not just happening in Canada, they are doing this in many other G7 countries and the root of all of this is the far-left organization The United Nations. It is weird how they push for climate change reduction while at the same time actively boosting the population which increases pollution. It is kind of like constantly filling your tank with gas but someone else is making the hole in the tank bigger.

Agree to disagree. It's pointless to continue this discussion. Let's get back to Climate and get off these anti-immigration and anti-government themes.

 

[gaby]

Agree...well said...thoses topics are so divisive and endless sterile debatess....so for sure it will go on....lollll

 

[Don Julio]

But that's a fallacy. Your entire argument is based on erroneous assumptions. Governments don't increase worldwide population. A population increase in one place due to immigration is because of a population decrease somewhere else. Government programs that take care of children doesn’t result in more births.

But if the immigrants are coming here to take advantage of our generosity ( and yes they do ) it does increase the population. In Canada with Lord Trudeau announcing child assistance rate increases so people will vote for him will increase the population if there was no assistance, same with other countries. With your last sentence, tell that to the natives, the more kids the more money.
Known that other races take advantage of Canada's generosity also and pump out kids for the money.
This is not anti-immigration, racist or any other form you put out there. It is about population increases global warming as many tend to agree with. Stop giving money for kids and the population increase will slow down.

 

[Jazzman1218]

But if the immigrants are coming here to take advantage of our generosity ( and yes they do ) it does increase the population. In Canada with Lord Trudeau announcing child assistance rate increases so people will vote for him will increase the population if there was no assistance, same with other countries. With your last sentence, tell that to the natives, the more kids the more money.
Known that other races take advantage of Canada's generosity also and pump out kids for the money.
This is not anti-immigration, racist or any other form you put out there. It is about population increases global warming as many tend to agree with. Stop giving money for kids and the population increase will slow down.

But if the immigrants are coming here to take advantage of our generosity ( and yes they do ) it does increase the population. In Canada with Lord Trudeau announcing child assistance rate increases so people will vote for him will increase the population if there was no assistance, same with other countries. With your last sentence, tell that to the natives, the more kids the more money.
Known that other races take advantage of Canada's generosity also and pump out kids for the money.
This is not anti-immigration, racist or any other form you put out there. It is about population increases global warming as many tend to agree with. Stop giving money for kids and the population increase will slow down.

You are entitled to your opinion no matter how dark and disturbing it is. I find myself pining for the days when all you heard from the right about climate change was that it was a hoax. LOL.

 

[Don Julio]

You are entitled to your opinion no matter how dark and disturbing it is. I find myself pining for the days when all you heard from the right about climate change was that it was a

You are entitled to your opinion no matter how dark and disturbing it is. I find myself pining for the days when all you heard from the right about climate change was that it was a hoax. LOL.

You again seem to group all into one category that do not have the same beliefs as you. Have never said it is a hoax and the vast majority do not say that either. Nothing I mentioned was dark or whatever, basically just the truth. I am waiting for the day when the alarmists are proven wrong and there is no emergency to get it done now and it better not be in 10 years or we will be doomed.

 

[Chouin95]

 

[nothinghere]

Death valley temperature.
Hmmm very interesting articles below:
Record temperature was challenged?

An Investigation of Death Valley’s 134°F World Temperature Record

Also July 12, 2021:
Death Valley, California, breaks the all-time world heat ...Yale Climate Connections

"If verified, the 130 degrees Fahrenheit (54.4°C) reading at the Furnace Creek Visitor’s Center on Friday, July 9, 2021, would be Earth’s highest reliably measured temperature."

From above articles Scientist infighting over temperature certification?
i guess we must trust them on a future few degrees global warming calculation?
This breaking of records is very confusing.

Maybe they want to erase old records from history so they can declare more record temps presently?
The above articles will put all older historical temperature readings into question for sure.
How accurate were the thermometers then anyway?
These instruments have to be well calibrated and technicians do make mistakes.
Most importantly geolocation of thermometers can lead to different temp readings in a particular zone.
Maybe they pick n chose which thermometer to set records and and Climate change data and ignore other readings?
A record set somewhere 10m radius? 100m 1km 10km 100km?

"A desert weather station above grass is representative of a desert area above grass, and it is not representative of a desert area above a typical, mostly barren, desert surface."

Interesting cause I do know of these temperature anomalies in Montreal.
Driving from countryside vegetation areas into concrete jungle Montreal I see temps rise by 5+ degrees celsius entering city starting about 10 km out.
This 5+ degree celsius variation is usually present in calm wind night time.
My car has a good thermometer.
Winds tend to break up temperature anomalies and "even things out"
Oh I am sure much climate change data temperatures for extreme heat are all on windless days I am suspicious.

July 2023:
Death Valley, hottest place on Earth, hits near-record high ...CBS News

"The hottest temperature ever recorded on Earth was 134 degrees in July 1913 at Furnace Creek"
"Temperatures in Death Valley, which runs along part of central California's border with Nevada, reached 125.6 degrees Fahrenheit Sunday at the aptly named Furnace Creek"
Ah "hits near record" at 125.6
That is like 8 degrees off and called near record.
But other article July 2021 challenges record to be 130.
Now I have headache.

Death valley is called Death Valley for a reason, many die there due to heat.
Hottest temp at some place called "Furnace Creek" ....that is funny.

So starting today Quebec will be under a Stationary high pressure zone until Next Thursday.
Some anomaly with hurricane Idalia.
Due to atmospheric circulation and clear skies the solar furnace will heat thing up.
There won't be many clouds next few days so full force solar furnace heating.
Winds will be light from the South West shifting to very light winds from South into Wednesday next week.
This will bring nice warm humid air from semi tropical South USA into our Quebec region adding to the solar furnace heating.
The weak low level winds will cause solar furnace heated air to accumulate into a heat dome.
Humidex will hit good.
So next week around Wednesday will be peak temperature before cold front and air mass change.
Oh and to add to situation.
Solar furnace is getting angry again!
News in today:

Solar storm ALERT! Magnetic filament erupts on the Sun
September Begins With FIERY Solar Flare! Geomagnetic ...Times

Cool video with good narration(unlike me) here for Sept1:

BOOM‼️ M Class Solar Flare Produces HUGE Coronal Mass Ejection

I am anticipating Climate change will reappear in force in media panic with all kind of records.

But I know everyone will be enjoying Summer Montreal V2.0!!
What a Catch22!!

Edit:I did typing error attempting to write 2021 with 2012 but correct now.
I had brain malfunction trying to figure out the record temp controversy.