Climate change

[Mandouke]

No, not a conspiracy theory or climate science. Your position is just short-sighted and selfish.

My position is not short-sighted, it is based on educated reason and facts, as well as my own personal life experience, which has always been about what I can do to minimize my environmental footprint on this planet, not anyone else. In short, personal responsibility.

Having said that, I am not selfish and for someone to state that without ever meeting or knowing me, is truly astounding. It leads me to believe that they are bereft of good arguments.

I know this. The people who are selfish are the ones who talk down to others about the environment, while they jet around the world in their own personal jets accompanied by dozens of taxpayer-funded security guards and RCMP(that is how unliked they are).

They live in numerous condos and mansions around the world and their personal environmental footprint rivals that of entire nations on this planet. They then have the audacity to tax the living hell out of ordinary hard-working, tax-paying citizens in the name of climate change.

Enough is enough!

 

[CLOUD 500]

No, not a conspiracy theory or climate science. Your position is just short-sighted and selfish.

The selfish position is the one taken by far-left governments who use climate change to scam ppl by adding a carbon tax. They make ppl poorer so they can live like kings. While ppl are struggling to pay bills while politicians are zipping around in their private jets, living in mansions, spending thousands of dollars a day, having ten thousand dollar vacation trips. I am perplexed that this does not bother you.

 

[Jazzman1218]

My position is not short-sighted, it is based on educated reason and facts, as well as my own personal life experience, which has always been about what I can do to minimize my environmental footprint on this planet, not anyone else. In short, personal responsibility.

Having said that, I am not selfish and for someone to state that without ever meeting or knowing me, is truly astounding. It leads me to believe that they are bereft of good arguments.

I know this. The people who are selfish are the ones who talk down to others about the environment, while they jet around the world in their own personal jets accompanied by dozens of taxpayer-funded security guards and RCMP(that is how unliked they are).

They live in numerous condos and mansions around the world and their personal environmental footprint rivals that of entire nations on this planet. They then have the audacity to tax the living hell out of ordinary hard-working, tax-paying citizens in the name of climate change.

Enough is enough!

I'm glad to hear that you, personally, are trying to lower your carbon footprint. So do I. The Canadian carbon tax puts a price on carbon pollution. It's only be in force for 4 short years, so yes opposition to it is short-sighted. Further, opposition to funding government efforts (paying taxes) to address the climate emergency is selfish by placing personal finances over what's good for the whole of society. I don't disagree that the rich exacerbate the problem with climate and many other societal problems, but a discussion about income inequality belongs in its own thread. However, if your solution is to tax the rich more, and not the middle class, you and I would be in agreement.

 

[Mandouke]

I'm glad to hear that you, personally, are trying to lower your carbon footprint. So do I. The Canadian carbon tax puts a price on carbon pollution. It's only be in force for 4 short years, so yes opposition to it is short-sighted. Further, opposition to funding government efforts (paying taxes) to address the climate emergency is selfish by placing personal finances over what's good for the whole of society. I don't disagree that the rich exacerbate the problem with climate and many other societal problems, but a discussion about income inequality belongs in its own thread. However, if your solution is to tax the rich more, and not the middle class, you and I would be in agreement.

I don't offer solutions to non-existent problems(climate emergency), nor do I believe that the carbon tax is being levied for a four-year period. Income tax when it was first levied was to be temporary. Hindsight is perfect and we all know that was a lie.

Frankly, I have nothing more to say on the matter as it is a waste of good energy and time to be discussing a tax grab, implemented by a totally corrupt and incompetent government.

Finally, my personal finances are my business and looking out for my best interest is what I will always do, regardless of what anyone thinks of me. It's none of my business at the end of the day what anyone else thinks of me. I don't answer to them. What matters is what I think of myself.

Having said that, I would suggest that there are many selfish people in Canada who are looking after their best interests as I do the same.

 

[nothinghere]

Quebec is Short on Hydroelectric Power - IERThe Institute for Energy Research

Quebec government unprepared for end of electricity ...Canada Newswirehttps

This is 1+1=2 situation.
Ingenious Idea from Trudeau.
Bring so many people from low Carbon output per person country to High Carbon output per person Canada.
Wind energy? Bwahah back to the stone age of windmills.
Solar?
I have good technical experience with solar and it is quite problematic.
Lead Acid batteries need continual supervision like a baby.
Lithium "Mini bombs" (inside joke hehe) does not charge below freezing and basically needs a supercomputer to regulate each cell.
Both Lead Acid and Lithium energy storage insurance companies are very nervous about.
DC current in solar installation very high and prone to dangerous arcing which does not occur with AC if there is a fault.
Oh yes many residential fires from malfunctioning solar installations. Be sure this is hush hush in the news.
Believe me you will NOT heat the house with energy from batteries in near future.
See any solar panels in Montreal lately? Big talk and nothing.
Solar at moment sporadically in the country side installations.
Funny that Indigenous people are more advanced in solar energy use than any virtue signalling Montreal citizen.

Hydro-Québec mulls reviving province's nuclear reactor, ...CBC

 

[Don Julio]

. The Canadian carbon tax puts a price on carbon pollution. It's only be in force for 4 short years, so yes opposition to it is short-sighted.

So you actually believe a carbon tax will alter climate change? If it will not alter climate change why have it? Canada could vanish and it would not alter climate change yet some believe a tax will do the trick, wow.

 

[Jazzman1218]

So you actually believe a carbon tax will alter climate change? If it will not alter climate change why have it? Canada could vanish and it would not alter climate change yet some believe a tax will do the trick, wow.

Yes, I do. However a carbon tax is only one of many measures that can be enacted to reduce carbon emissions and greenhouse gases. No one single measure alone would likely be adequate to reduce planet warming sufficiently.

 

[minutemenX]

Yes, I do. However a carbon tax is only one of many measures that can be enacted to reduce carbon emissions and greenhouse gases. No one single measure alone would likely be adequate to reduce planet warming sufficiently.

If the government wants businesses to use clean energy it needs to subsidize it. This, however ,would require the direct tax increase on population. This measure is politically unpopular, so government does the trick taxing business. But this is the same thing as it is eventually paid by the consumers. And government loves spending tax money multiplying bureaucracy and government “jobs” that are in fact thinly vailed sinecures given to family, friends, and political supporters.

 

[Don Julio]

Yes, I do. However a carbon tax is only one of many measures that can be enacted to reduce carbon emissions and greenhouse gases.

Nothing Canada can do will alter climate change, that is probably known in grade school. It's called numbers and when we produce 1.6% of the world's GHG"s it if futile to attempt to alter climate change. Do you thinks people are driving less or the truckers stopped delivering goods or people stopped heating their houses due to the carbon tax? No.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Yes, I do. However a carbon tax is only one of many measures that can be enacted to reduce carbon emissions and greenhouse gases. No one single measure alone would likely be adequate to reduce planet warming sufficiently.

The worst part is that you actually believe this.

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

As you can see from the Canada government website, the facts prove that carbon taxes made no difference. The only thing it did is it made the government lots of money and proof of that is they got so much money to waste to send to foreign countries. No tax will ever change the weather, the weather will do what it wants. Those are the facts. Far-left governments are scamming people with the climate change alarmist hoax to make money off them.

 

[Jazzman1218]

The worst part is that you actually believe this.

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

As you can see from the Canada government website, the facts prove that carbon taxes made no difference. The only thing it did is it made the government lots of money and proof of that is they got so much money to waste to send to foreign countries. No tax will ever change the weather, the weather will do what it wants. Those are the facts. Far-left governments are scamming people with the climate change alarmist hoax to make money off them.

You are either misinformed or you are misinforming. The planet is warming because of man-made greenhouse gases. Man can, and must, take actions to reduce those gases, but you can't do that with your head in the sand (or someplace else). Those are the facts and the truths that you refuse to accept and never will. Fine. So be it. I'm just glad you are in the minority.

 

[Chouin95]

You are either misinformed or you are misinforming. The planet is warming because of man-made greenhouse gases. Man can, and must, take actions to reduce those gases, but you can't do that with your head in the sand (or someplace else). Those are the facts and the truths that you refuse to accept and never will. Fine. So be it. I'm just glad you are in the minority.

Minority?!? Yes probably in your select inner circle he would be a minority, but in real life people don’t believe in theses carbon taxes.
I bet you would be surprised how much it’s unpopular outside of Woke City Capital of climate change aka Montréal.
Everywhere you go in Canada where people are living in the country whether it’s in the Maritimes or the Prairies or even the Rockies in BC, the carbon taxes are simply unsustainable and are really affecting local economy negatively.
Luckily the common sense will prevail sooner than later a Poilievre Conservative government will clean the big mess that the Liberals have put us in and ultimately AXE THE TAXE.

 

[CLOUD 500]

You are either misinformed or you are misinforming. The planet is warming because of man-made greenhouse gases. Man can, and must, take actions to reduce those gases, but you can't do that with your head in the sand (or someplace else). Those are the facts and the truths that you refuse to accept and never will. Fine. So be it. I'm just glad you are in the minority.

I never denied that, climate change has been happening since the beginning of this planet. But what far-left governments are doing by using this to add taxes is despicable, they are using this as a way to make money. Paying more taxes is not the solution. New techonologies is.

Stratospheric aerosol injection - Wikipedia

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Stratospheric geoenginering is an example to slow down global warming. Giving tax credits to people and industries that reduce their carbon footprint is also a good move, and I mean a tax cut not subsidies.

Lets face it human overpopulation is the biggest danger to climate change. Governments just care to make money, there is only so much that can be done to reduce man made caused climate change.

Many ppl are waking up and seeing this hoax being played by far-left governments just to make money off ppl by creating climate alarmism just to add more taxes. Trudeau's poll numbers speak for itself.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I realize that the concept of taxation of any kind makes some peoples' heads explode. However, the carbon tax is just one of several measures being taken by the Canadian government to address the carbon emissions that are dangerously warming the planet. That should make you feel better. LOL.

 

[Don Julio]

However, the carbon tax is just one of several measures being taken by the Canadian government to address the carbon emissions that are dangerously warming the planet.

But the carbon tax does nothing, have you seen a decrease in cars or transport trucks, people not heating their homes, farmers not working? Again, The carbon tax does nothing.
40 mil in Canada carbon tax, 350 mil US no carbon tax.....
Also the tax is a compound tax, the farmer add it to his cost, the grain dryers add it to their costs, the truckers add it to their costs, the grocery stores add it also.
You seem to not understand that many can not afford escorts or even going out for dinners so yes, some people lose their shit over a tax. Have you ever taken an economics course?

 

[Jazzman1218]

But the carbon tax does nothing, have you seen a decrease in cars or transport trucks, people not heating their homes, farmers not working? Again, The carbon tax does nothing.
40 mil in Canada carbon tax, 350 mil US no carbon tax.....
Also the tax is a compound tax, the farmer add it to his cost, the grain dryers add it to their costs, the truckers add it to their costs, the grocery stores add it also.
You seem to not understand that many can not afford escorts or even going out for dinners so yes, some people lose their shit over a tax. Have you ever taken an economics course?

A carbon tax provides an incentive to both energy producers and consumers to reduce energy use and to shift to low-carbon fuels and renewable energy sources through investment or behavior. And, yes, I while I have studied economics, my immediate concerns are for our dangerously warming planet.

 

[Don Julio]

A carbon tax provides an incentive to both energy producers and consumers to reduce energy use and to shift to low-carbon fuels and renewable energy

But the tax does nothing, we are advancing but without India and China assisting all we do is cause hardships on the low income earners. In NYC the homeless count passes the great depression, major cities also feel the pinch. You do not seem to grasp that nothing Canada does will alter climate change but mainly cause hardships on the less fortunate.
A couple of clips.
Depression is more widespread than ever in the United States, according to a new report from Gallup. About 18% of adults – more than 1 in 6 – say they are depressed or receiving treatment for depression, a jump of more than 7 percentage points since 2015, when Gallup first started polling on the topic.May 17, 2023
Recent research indicates Canadians' mental health is worsening due to rising cost of living. Canadians affected by inflation are experiencing: higher self-rated anxiety (33%) and depression (32%), higher rates of recent diagnosis of a mood disorder since the pandemic (14%), and higher suicidal ideation (31%).Mar 28, 2023
These people can not go and get escorts and enjoy in fine dining, doesn't matter I guess.
Short version. Climate " emergency " is a farce to distribute wealth.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I realize that the concept of taxation of any kind makes some peoples' heads explode. However, the carbon tax is just one of several measures being taken by the Canadian government to address the carbon emissions that are dangerously warming the planet. That should make you feel better. LOL.

The Trudeau Liberals just spent over $275,000 on their Inflation Summit plus $149,400 on hotel rooms, $46,200 on catering, $11,500 on private security, and $8,800 at a single restaurant. Is that why we pay all these taxes like the carbon tax so the government can live like kings? That is enough to make most peoples head explode. No one is entitled to anyone elses labor. The government does not want to curb its spending so they must invent ways to scam people to add more taxes like the carbon tax. As the government cashes in, it does very little to curb greenhouse emissions as the stats proves, what it does is it impacts the low income people the most by making them poorer. The carbon tax makes the cost of everything like food and products more expensive.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Regarding mental health there have been studies that show increasing rates of anxiety, helplessness, and hopelessness because of the prospects of worsening planet warming.

Regarding the carbon tax 90% of it is being returned to households and 10% is being returned to businesses.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Regarding mental health there have been studies that show increasing rates of anxiety, helplessness, and hopelessness because of the prospects of worsening planet warming.

Maybe in your small circle but most are having anxiety and hopelessness due to government policies that made everything so much more expensive. Most are concerned with how they will pay their mortgage and buy food. The homelessness in Canada rose by 46% since 2018. Carbon taxes is putting fuel in fire.

Regarding the carbon tax 90% of it is being returned to households and 10% is being returned to businesses.

This does not make any sense, why charge taxes in the first place only to return it? I seriously doubt this is true, I have seen my taxes increase and the price of food increase since Trudeau's carbon tax while MPs give themselves big pay hikes. No matter how you justify it, the carbon tax is a sham. Instead of a carbon tax, why not give tax breaks to households and businesses that take measures to reduce their carbon footprint? And I mean an actual tax cut like income tax reduction and commercial tax reduction for businesses? Not subsidies. Of course not because the government cannot curb its spending, politicians are living like kings. Since the early 20th century, government spending has exploded. For most ordinary folks and even businesses, when the money runs out you slow down your spending. Government instead increases their spending and adds more taxes and they got to find new ways to justify and scam people to collect more revenue, enter the climate change hoax to add more taxes.