Coronavirus

[purplem]

The Fauci article is interesting. Is it accurate? Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't know.

Here's what Wikipedia says about the source of the article (The Federalist) :

Coronavirus pandemic misinformation[edit]​

During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published numerous pieces that contained false information or information that was contrary to the recommendations of public health experts and authorities.[5][26] The Federalist published articles denouncing social distancing, as well as articles claiming that fears over the pandemic had been overhyped by the Democratic Party and the media. The Federalist co-founder Sean Davis said that Democrats were intentionally trying to "destroy the economy" as a "last-ditch 2020 play", and that "All they care about is power. And if they have to destroy your life and business to get power back, they will." The Federalist published articles calling on the government to quickly end social distancing directions, and to open businesses again.[26] Co-founder Domenech attacked a prominent analysis from Imperial College London which estimated the loss of life due to the pandemic; Domenech attacked the analysis for revising its figures downward, but the reason that the analysis did so was that the analysis incorporated the social distancing and shutdown strategies that had increasingly been implemented.[27] Tracinski, a former contributor, wrote in Bulwark that The Federalist devolved over time into a "conspiracy-mongering partisan rag that has now become a menace to public health".[27]

It published a piece by someone identified as a physician in Oregon who recommended that people hold "chickenpox"-style parties for the coronavirus to build herd immunity, but the recommendations were contrary to those of public health experts, and the author in question did not have a medical license and had worked as a businessman for decades.[26][28][29] At the time, experts warned that the number of new infections should be kept down so as to not overburden the health care system.[30] The Federalist was subsequently temporarily suspended from Twitter for promoting fringe ideas that contradicted public health experts and were harmful to public health.[29] Reddit also removed links to The Federalist article on its platform.[31]

 

[Zaeballo]

Thank you for your exhaustive research. Wikipedia's word is widely believed to have been given to us at Mount Sinai and therefore it must be taken with utmost seriousness. Here is another interesting quote from the sacred fount of knowledge:

A modern version of "shooting the messenger" can be perceived when someone blames the media for presenting bad news about a favored cause, person, organization, etc. "Shooting the messenger" may be a time-honored emotional response to unwanted news, but it is not a very effective method of remaining well-informed."[

 

[Womaniser]

The Fauci article is interesting. Is it accurate? Perhaps, perhaps not. I don't know.

Here's what Wikipedia says about the source of the article (The Federalist) :

Coronavirus pandemic misinformation[edit]​

During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published numerous pieces that contained false information or information that was contrary to the recommendations of public health experts and authorities.[5][26] The Federalist published articles denouncing social distancing, as well as articles claiming that fears over the pandemic had been overhyped by the Democratic Party and the media. The Federalist co-founder Sean Davis said that Democrats were intentionally trying to "destroy the economy" as a "last-ditch 2020 play", and that "All they care about is power. And if they have to destroy your life and business to get power back, they will." The Federalist published articles calling on the government to quickly end social distancing directions, and to open businesses again.[26] Co-founder Domenech attacked a prominent analysis from Imperial College London which estimated the loss of life due to the pandemic; Domenech attacked the analysis for revising its figures downward, but the reason that the analysis did so was that the analysis incorporated the social distancing and shutdown strategies that had increasingly been implemented.[27] Tracinski, a former contributor, wrote in Bulwark that The Federalist devolved over time into a "conspiracy-mongering partisan rag that has now become a menace to public health".[27]

It published a piece by someone identified as a physician in Oregon who recommended that people hold "chickenpox"-style parties for the coronavirus to build herd immunity, but the recommendations were contrary to those of public health experts, and the author in question did not have a medical license and had worked as a businessman for decades.[26][28][29] At the time, experts warned that the number of new infections should be kept down so as to not overburden the health care system.[30] The Federalist was subsequently temporarily suspended from Twitter for promoting fringe ideas that contradicted public health experts and were harmful to public health.[29] Reddit also removed links to The Federalist article on its platform.[31]

You don't have to search a long time to find someone supposedly knowledgeable who will affirm that the earth is flat !

 

[sene5hos]

 

[Klopomor]

An interesting write-up of Fauci's career pre-Covid, including his comprehensive bungling of the AIDS epidemic. And the good news is that he isn't going anywhere.

A Short History Of How Anthony Fauci Has Kept Failing Up Since 1984

The media buried long-standing concerns that Anthony Fauci had been ‘sucking money away from work to understand and counter natural disease outbreaks.’

thefederalist.com

A very interesting and informative article, thank you for posting.

 

[purplem]

Rightwing articles are often interesting. The reason is that fiction can be so much more exciting than facts.

 

[gll]

And be a spreader... as vaccine will prevent you being very sick but not to contract de virus, amplifying it and contaminate others. Think twice... You see that's an additional reason to keep the border closed.

you sound pretty sure but it is not know whether there are silent spreaders with the pfizer or moderna vaccine since that was not tested. with many vaccines that is not the case. if what you say turns out to be true, then how will we achieve herd immunity-- which of course is what we are hoping for by getting a large percentage of the population vaccinated.

 

[Fradi]

Unfortunately Fauci stating that wearing a mask maybe even more harmful as it will give you a false sense of safety was no fiction. It was live television on CNN, I know they don’t replay it as ones of the Orange one are much more popular to the audience they serve. This of course was coming from the foremost authority on infectious diseases.
He probably missed seeing the thousands of Chinese all wearing masks or thought it was a weird fashion statement.

For me Fauci will always be a bobble head for whoever is in power, he will now brown nose Biden just like he did Trump, at least he is the right height for it and uses this advantage well it seems.

 

[ravenazrael]

i am scheduled to get my vaccine in about a week. Hopefully, my life will then return to normal and I can comfortably see providers again. Of course, i would be really happy if they opened the border to those with a vaccination certification.

i am scheduled to get my vaccine in about a week. Hopefully, my life will then return to normal and I can comfortably see providers again. Of course, i would be really happy if they opened the border to those with a vaccination certification.

You know the vaccine doesn't prevent you to get covid right? It only helps that you don't get severe symptoms. But you still get it and still are contagious. #Newsflash

 

[IamNY]

You know the vaccine doesn't prevent you to get covid right? It only helps that you don't get severe symptoms. But you still get it and still are contagious. #Newsflash

That's incorrect. From the CDC's website:

COVID-19 vaccination will help keep you from getting COVID-19​

• All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States have been shown to be highly effective at preventing COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
• All COVID-19 vaccines that are in development are being carefully evaluated in clinical trials and will be authorized or approved only if they make it substantially less likely you’ll get COVID-19. Learn more about how federal partners are ensuring COVID-19 vaccines work.
• Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
• Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
• Experts continue to conduct more studies about the effect of COVID-19 vaccination on severity of illness from COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep people from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

 

[ravenazrael]

That's incorrect. From the CDC's website:

COVID-19 vaccination will help keep you from getting COVID-19​

• All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States have been shown to be highly effective at preventing COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
• All COVID-19 vaccines that are in development are being carefully evaluated in clinical trials and will be authorized or approved only if they make it substantially less likely you’ll get COVID-19. Learn more about how federal partners are ensuring COVID-19 vaccines work.
• Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
• Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
• Experts continue to conduct more studies about the effect of COVID-19 vaccination on severity of illness from COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep people from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

Hmmm well... they are lying

 

[Zaeballo]

A year and a day ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1217043229427761152

 

[purplem]

Trump, early in 2020: "A lot of people think it goes away in April...with the heat."

 

[sene5hos]

Trump, early in 2020: "A lot of people think it goes away in April...with the heat."

Has trump ever said something true?

 

[IamNY]

Trump, early in 2020: "A lot of people think it goes away in April...with the heat."

He absolutely said that, but he wasn’t alone, many of the Covid geniuses thought the same thing.

Temperatures & Coronavirus: Can COVID-19 Survive the Heat?

Can Coronavirus survive the heat? Could warm weather stop COVID-19 from circulating? Find out if the weather and heat can reduce or possibly end the Coronavirus outbreak.

www.webmd.com

 

[IamNY]

Check out California's Covid cases nearing 3 million and an estimated 1 out of 3 people have been infected:

1 in 3 L.A. County residents have been infected by coronavirus since pandemic began, new estimate shows

Officials believe 1 in 3, or more than 3 million of L.A. County's 10 million residents, have been infected with the coronavirus, including 13,000 who have died.

www.latimes.com

 

[cloudsurf]

He absolutely said that, but he wasn’t alone, many of the Covid geniuses thought the same thing.

That is so absolutely dumb. When the Pandemic was starting out during our winter , it was out of control in the hot weather of Iran. Starting to get out of control in the summer of Brazil and South Africa. Only stable geniuses like trump would predict that the weather would control the outbreak. Gimme an other shot of Clorox.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

you sound pretty sure but it is not know whether there are silent spreaders with the pfizer or moderna vaccine since that was not tested. with many vaccines that is not the case. if what you say turns out to be true, then how will we achieve herd immunity-- which of course is what we are hoping for by getting a large percentage of the population vaccinated.

It is well known with all the vaccines that even if you are "immunized" and your system is ready to fight efficiently, this fight is not instantaneous. When you are "immunized" there are 2 systems protecting you. First you have a certain amount of antibodies circulating within your blood. When they find the antigen (the virus in this case) they trap it and, second, they present it to specialized lymphocytes (white cells, that were programmed upon vaccination) that will then produce much more antibodies and sort of eat the antigen. The reaction goes on and on up to the victory when there are no more circulating antigens. Afterward, the quantity of circulating antibodies will go down again, but your system is on guard for the next infection. The herd immunity is reached when a large majority of the population has this "safety watch" protection. So you may catch the virus, amplifies it a bit, and pass it but you may not notice it as you will not have any symptoms and will not be sick. Assuming you pass it to an "immunized" one, it will be the same for him. But if you pass it to a "non-immunized one" then this person could be sick. Herd immunity is just a statistic question. There are thousands of virus circulating but because we are immunized or they are not harmfull we do not notice them. Some virus even protect us as they are harmless but have similar proteins to other harmfull ones. In contact with the first ones, we have a kind of immunity toward the second dangerous ones. Just remember that those reactions take time and even if you are protected from sickness you can still pas the virus to and unprotected people. You understand that this is a simplified explanation giving you and idea of how the system works. In real life, immunology is a complex but wonderfull and efficient sytem but not fullproof... That is why we are still at war against HIV and cancer. Hope that it's help.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

That's incorrect. From the CDC's website:

COVID-19 vaccination will help keep you from getting COVID-19​

• All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States have been shown to be highly effective at preventing COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
• All COVID-19 vaccines that are in development are being carefully evaluated in clinical trials and will be authorized or approved only if they make it substantially less likely you’ll get COVID-19. Learn more about how federal partners are ensuring COVID-19 vaccines work.
• Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
• Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
• Experts continue to conduct more studies about the effect of COVID-19 vaccination on severity of illness from COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep people from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

The problem is you don't get what is written. COVID is the disease, not the virus. The virus is Sars-Cov-2. So yes the vaccines prevent the disease but do not prevent you from getting the virus, amplifying a bit within your lungs (before your immune system eliminates all virus within you) and passing it to others. That is why, even vaccinated and immunized (it takes usually about 2-3 weeks to get a reliable immunity and often 2 doses to get a robust lasting one) we will be asked to continue to wash our hands, wear a mask (to protect others) and social distances. When we will get to herd immunity (6-9 months, who knows...) we could get back to a new normal that could be different from the one pre-COVID. Notice the words "believe" and "may" in the citation. Everything in the CDC statement is actually true. Vaccines (Pfizer, Modena and Astra-Zeneca) demonstrated to prevent severe illness. Nothing more, nothing less, for the moment. We can be hopefull but we must stay realistic.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

To get a rough idea of the complexity of immune system and how it works, here is a link. It is quite easy to understand but remember this is a very tricky area and we are still trying to understand how it works and sometime doesn't work so well... This is not up to date as it is from 2014 but it's enough for the purpose here. It is short and simple to understand.

Immune system

The immune system remembers every germ it has ever overcome.

www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au