COVID's vaccine, by whom, when, effective? all around the vaccine

[Zaeballo]

Don't forget that Russia and China also developped vaccines. So capitalism work but it is not the only way or the Holy Graal.

Just curious, are you still considering Russia a communist country?

In any case, what do you know about that Russian "vaccine"? Are you aware that it is not offered to people older than 60? They are probably not expected to survive it. And even so, from what I hear, the vaccine is only available to Moscow residents, nobody else. Holy Graal indeed.

 

[Zaeballo]

Well, you can say many things about Putin but he is obviously not so dumb as to serve as a guinea pig for that Sputnik V concoction.

 

[Fradi]

Well, you can say many things about Putin but he is obviously not so dumb as to serve as a guinea pig for that Sputnik V concoction.

Now that is being a bit unfair, he is just obeying rules and trying to be a model citizen and waiting his turn.
I am sure he didn’t volunteer to test the poison administered to his opponent either, so he is consistent, he waited to see the results.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Now that is being a bit unfair, he is just obeying rules and trying to be a model citizen and waiting his turn.

Fradi,

I am imagining that you are at an age where one goes to the front of the line in Quebec for the vaccine. Will you "just be obeying the rules" when you do so- doing your "Civic duty" to everyone else?

 

[Fradi]

EB,
For one that was a sarcastic comment more than likely Putin has already been vaccinated, but probably with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine and not the SputnikV.
As far as when I get vaccinated it will be whenever Quebec Health authorities contact me that I will be eligible, according to my age group which at best or earliest could be around May according to my rough calculations, as there are 4 groups ahead of me.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

^^^^^^
Perhaps you would like to opt out of the current available vaccines and wait for the Chinese or Russian versions to be available here.
That way you will feel safe knowing warp speed had nothing to do with it.

First of all "Warp Speed" has nothing to do with the Pfizer_BioNTech vaccine. They got no money from the US. Pfizer CEO said it again and again, and trump is furious because he likes to take credit from everything. The real genious behind this vacccine are 2 Turkish immigrants who founded BioNTech, a german company. For the real story: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-biontech-ceo-newsmake-idUSKBN27P1O5 Pfizer offered its massive production capabilities to BioNTech in a partnership.

Trump was never interested to fight COVID. That's why he first put Mike Pence in charge. When he realised he could get some credits he announced the creation of "Warp Speed". He took part in a few briefing on the subject but didn't attended a single one since 4 months. He pretended, 1 week before the election, that nobody would talk about what he shouted "COVI, COVID, COVID!!!" after the election. He was WRONG again, the situation is worst since. The only person who now never talk about COVID is Trump. He neither never manifested any empathy for the victims, the doctors, the nurses and all other healthcare workers. Now he is playing golf and distributes pardons to criminals all linked to him... and prevents americans to receive the money agreeded by republicans and democrats. For now, all he has to do is signing this bill and convince the republicans to give more money in a second step.

The good part of "Warp Speed" is on the distribution part, for the US citizens. And yes the army is the specialist for this logistic operation. And no, Trump didn't find it by himself. And by the way, in Canada, it's also the army which do the coordination for the distribution.

Being a scientific myself, I have no doubt in the safety and efficacy of the vaccines approved by Santé-Canada. It is just plain cheap from your part to pretend the contrary. And when my turn will come I will happily take the vaccine.

 

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NY health network faces criminal investigation over COVID-19 vaccine​

article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...stigation-over-covid-19-vaccine-idUSKBN291030

(Reuters) - New York State Health officials said on Saturday they are investigating a Brooklyn-based healthcare provider on suspicion it violated state guidelines for distribution of COVID-19 vaccine.

ParCare Community Health Network “may have fraudulently obtained COVID-19 vaccine, transferred it to facilities in other parts of the state in violation of state guidelines and diverted it to members of the public - contrary to the state’s plan to administer it first to frontline healthcare workers, as well as nursing home residents and staffers,” state Health Commissioner Howard Zucker said in a statement.

“We take this very seriously and DOH will be assisting State Police in criminal investigation into this matter,” he added.

Capitalism has 2 faces, a good one and an ugly one. Let's face it honestly.

 

[Fradi]

The real genius behind it was a Hungarian immigrant woman which was already covered in this thread so I am not going to repeat it.
Whether or not Pfizer used any of the money or not doesn’t change the fact that part of warp speed was to eliminate all the red tape to be able to have a viable vaccine ready in a year this was never possible before.
Of course some of you guys cant see two feet in front of you because of your obsession and hatred of Trump.

Where was I pretending about the safety of the vaccine other than the Russian and Chinese vaccines which I wouldn’t give to my dog. Did I not say that I would take it as soon as it was available which I don’t believe will be available before May here in Quebec.
As far as if you will take the vaccine or not that is your choice.
What is cheap is you downplaying all the money and effort that was put into warp speed to help all the millions of people who are already being vaccinated Simply over your hatred of one person

 

[Zaeballo]

First of all "Warp Speed" has nothing to do with the Pfizer_BioNTech vaccine. They got no money from the US.
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The good part of "Warp Speed" is on the distribution part, for the US citizens.
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Being a scientific myself,...

Thank you, mr. Scientific, for your report, it is always very illuminating to find out what things look like in an alternative universe. Here is the version that is popular in the one we inhabit.

Historically, vaccine development, testing and approval take years, in part because of tight resources. The goal of Operation Warp Speed is to break down hurdles and produce and deliver 300 million doses of safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines by January 2021 — about a year after the novel coronavirus emerged in China. ...Operation Warp Speed, launched in May, is a partnership among agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services and the Defense Department. HHS is leading vaccine development efforts while the Defense Department is helping guide distribution. Operation Warp Speed also includes partnerships with private firms; companies can pitch to the federal government products and technologies to combat the coronavirus.

The U.S. government committed $1.95 billion for large-scale manufacturing and delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech....The federal government committed up to $955 million to Moderna for the development of a COVID-19 vaccine...Johnson & Johnson: The U.S. awarded Johnson & Johnson $456 million for clinical trials and other vaccine development activities. Under a separate $1 billion agreement, the U.S. is expected to acquire 100 million doses of J&J’s vaccine, and can buy more doses.... AstraZeneca: The U.S. is providing up to $1.6 billion for the development, manufacturing, and delivery of AstraZeneca’s vaccine candidate, which is bei...ng developed with the University of Oxford. ... Novavax: The U.S. awarded $1.6 billion for late-stage clinical development of Novavax’ vaccine candidate, including a Phase 3 clinical trial, large-scale manufacturing, and the delivery of 100 million doses. ... Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline: The U.S. is providing about $2.1 billion for the development, clinical trials, manufacturing and delivery of 100 million doses of a vaccine from Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline. ... Merck and IAVI: The U.S. government awarded Merck and IAVI $38 million for vaccine research.

In fact, why won't you read the whole thing. Unless of course knowledge of the facts might interfere with your activities of the scientific sort.

PolitiFact - How Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines are tied to Operation Warp Speed

President Donald Trump says he and his administration’s Operation Warp Speed deserve credit for the promising news

www.politifact.com

 

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From your own source "politifact": The deal with Pfizer is for the purchase of the company’s vaccine, once it is authorized by the FDA. Agreements with other companies.

So as I wrote no money was given to Pfizer to produce the vaccine. The government will pay to buy it, which is normal. Good luck in your alternate facts reality.

 

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part of warp speed was to eliminate all the red tape to be able to have a viable vaccine ready in a year this was never possible before.

false... The vaccine received an emergency clearance which had always been part of the FDA and CDC rules. This is special because this virus is a hard killing one. 1/1000 americans already died from it. Trump did all he could to denied the emergency of the situation. If you want to live in your own pink realty, good luck. Your wake-up may be tragic.

The red tape are there to ensure a maximum safety but here time was critical. Nothing to compare to any other vaccines.

 

[Zaeballo]

So as I wrote no money was given to Pfizer to produce the vaccine.

False! You didn't write this. You wrote "They got no money from the US.". Period. And that is exactly how I quoted your post.

I don't know what is your scientific discipline (if any), but it seems to me that you would be pretty good (or at least adequate) at revisionist history.

 

[Zaeballo]

So as I wrote no money was given to Pfizer to produce the vaccine. The government will pay to buy it, which is normal. Good luck in your alternate facts reality.

And additionally, this is false too. As the Politifact article clearly states, The U.S. government did not fund the companies’ research and development. No one is disputing that. The U.S. government, however, committed $1.95 billion for large-scale manufacturing and delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech, as the same article points out, no less clearly.

Facts are stubborn things, John Adams got that right.

 

[Fradi]

false... The vaccine received an emergency clearance which had always been part of the FDA and CDC rules. This is special because this virus is a hard killing one. 1/1000 americans already died from it. Trump did all he could to denied the emergency of the situation. If you want to live in your own pink realty, good luck. Your wake-up may be tragic.

The red tape are there to ensure a maximum safety but here time was critical. Nothing to compare to any other vaccines.

The reality is you are living in your own hate filled reality of one man.
It must suck [...] and to be driven by such hate.
Unlike you Trump means nothing to me, he didn’t invent this virus, China did, he just mismanaged it like many other leaders in the world like our very own Legault to name a few, and it is killing hundreds of thousands of people all over the world not just in the US and Quebec, but that of course in your Trump filled hate reality doesn’t exist.

 

[Zaeballo]

So, Putin has announced that he will be getting the Sputnik V vaccine after all, age limitations be damned (or scrapped, whatever.) He obviously follows our forum very closely. Should we be honoured or alarmed?

Russia’s Vladimir Putin to receive COVID-19 vaccine, spokesperson says - The Globe and Mail

Russia launched a voluntary vaccination program with the Russia-made Sputnik V vaccine earlier in December, starting with the most vulnerable groups in Moscow

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Fradi]

That Sputnik V he will get might just be Pfizer or Moderna disguised as the Russian vaccine.
I don’t think we should be half as alarmed as the people in Russia.

 

[Zaeballo]

That Sputnik V he will get might just be Pfizer or Moderna disguised as the Russian vaccine.

Agree. Considering Russia's virtuosity in replacement of urine samples, it should be child's play for them to swap out Putin's vaccine right in front of TV viewers.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Sad but "Warp Speed" will not achieve it's goal to get 20 millions americans vaccinated by the end of the year. The last numbers state that 2 millions vaccines have been administered so far in US.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

... he didn’t invent this virus, China did, he just mismanaged it .

A virus is not "invent"... It is just there, accumulating mutations and conversions. When such events are detrimental, virus vanishes, when it gives them a replication advantage, it spreads. Virus are the oldest manifestation of life related organism on earth. they survived the dinosaurs' extinction and will survive humans' extinction.

 

[Fradi]

A virus is not "invent"... It is just there, accumulating mutations and conversions. When such events are detrimental, virus vanishes, when it gives them a replication advantage, it spreads. Virus are the oldest manifestation of life related organism on earth. they survived the dinosaurs' extinction and will survive humans' extinction.

Thank you professor.