COVID's vaccine, by whom, when, effective? all around the vaccine

[sene5hos]

Marcus Lamb, an anti-vaccine Christian broadcaster who has supported the use of Ivermectin and Hycroxychloroquine to treat COVID, has died of COVID.

I feel bad when people die, and it's a shame he died from his own ignorance.
But he also may be responsible for others dying, so I am glad his lies and misinformation has been stopped dead in it's tracks.
Ignorance kills, stupidity kills much more.

They enabled the stupidity. They helped spread the lies and deceit. It’s a fitting end. The people I feel sorry for are those that were influenced and ultimately died believing his crap.

 

[Tweetie]

Should we wait decades to get new vaccines ?

In this case it would have been wise to limit this new injection on the vulnerable people most likely to get hurt by covid, specifically elderly people with comorbidities.

 

[Tweetie]

Marcus Lamb, an anti-vaccine Christian broadcaster who has supported the use of Ivermectin and Hycroxychloroquine to treat COVID, has died of COVID.

I feel bad when people die, and it's a shame he died from his own ignorance.
But he also may be responsible for others dying, so I am glad his lies and misinformation has been stopped dead in it's tracks.
Ignorance kills, stupidity kills much more.

They enabled the stupidity. They helped spread the lies and deceit. It’s a fitting end. The people I feel sorry for are those that were influenced and ultimately died believing his crap.

You sat down and wrote all that for what purpose? We don't know the long-term effects of this injection therapy, do you acknowledge this? It's a fact. It might be benign, it might not be. We have to weigh the threat of covid against this unknown.

 

[Tweetie]

The data is still forthcoming, but the fact that the reinfected vaccinated people and vaccinated with booster are only experiencing mild symptoms is a sign that the vaccine is still working. Immunity isn't a dual state of yes or no, but degrees. So if a variant truly evades the vaccine, what we'll see is not just vaccinated people getting infected but getting sick enough to be hospitalized and die. That hasn't happened so far for people who have still "robust" immune systems. That robustness, btw, explains why it's the elderly who have mostly died from COVID, even fully vaccinated elderly. Declining vaccine efficacy may also be a contributing factor. Your immune system just isn't as strong in your mid 60s and older compared to younger (taking into consideration other factors like congenital immunodeficiencies, deliberate suppression from organ transplantation or acquired immunodeficiency like HIV infection).

Finally, the continued focus on older people dying from COVID misses so much. I'm fine with not spending weeks in a hospital bed just to stay alive when prevention is easier. Plus, there are previously healthy people in their 40s and younger (so not 85) that can't go back to work because of long COVID. I also came across something this week that people who fought a bout of COVID severe enough for hospitalization have a higher risk of dying within the next year.

People Who Survive Severe COVID at Higher Risk of Death in 1 Year

New research finds that people with long COVID have twice the chance of dying in the next year than those who never developed COVID-19.

www.healthline.com

So to focus on death and age of the people dying is a very incomplete picture.

(Btw, I really appreciate that this thread is mostly full of sensible people).

I don't rely on anecdotal data even though I can cite the dangers of the covid injection by using a bunch of acquaintances who were greatly damaged by it. You need to look at the hard numbers. The data demonstrates that Quebec had no particularly alarming rise in overall deaths, other than two months at the start. This alone demonstrates that we were coping fine prior to the pharma companies' injection campaign.

 

[gallantca]

I don't rely on anecdotal data even though I can cite the dangers of the covid injection by using a bunch of acquaintances who were greatly damaged by it. You need to look at the hard numbers. The data demonstrates that Quebec had no particularly alarming rise in overall deaths, other than two months at the start. This alone demonstrates that we were coping fine prior to the pharma companies' injection campaign.

The chart of deaths in Quebec shows that to be wrong.

After the first peak in May 2020 we had another substantial rise that started in September 2020 and peaked in January 2021. Those deaths are what led to the lockdown shitshow

There was no big wave of deaths since September because .......say it with me.....vaccines.

Not sure how you describe that second wave as "coping fine".

 

[sene5hos]

You sat down and wrote all that for what purpose? We don't know the long-term effects of this injection therapy, do you acknowledge this? It's a fact. It might be benign, it might not be. We have to weigh the threat of covid against this unknown.

You think, that since billions of doses have been administered, a lot of people are going to get sick, and possibly die.

We have to stop peeing in those pants.

 

[sene5hos]

Man in Italy uses fake silicone arm to try to get vaccine certificate

A 50-year-old man tried to pass off a silicone arm as his own at a COVID-19 vaccination clinic in northern Italy, in an attempt to get a vaccine certificate without actually getting inoculated.

www.ctvnews.ca

A 50-year-old man tried to pass off a silicone arm as his own at a COVID-19 vaccination clinic in northern Italy, in an attempt to get a vaccine certificate without actually getting inoculated.

His professional order suspended him.

 

[cloudsurf]

In this case it would have been wise to limit this new injection on the vulnerable people most likely to get hurt by covid, specifically elderly people with comorbidities.

Tweetie you make no sense. Vaccinate the old and vulnerable but don`t vaccinate their younger and healthier friends and relatives won`t stop the spread . Many of the old and vulnerable will get sick from break through infections.

 

[Tweetie]

The chart of deaths in Quebec shows that to be wrong.

After the first peak in May 2020 we had another substantial rise that started in September 2020 and peaked in January 2021 with as many as 150 deaths per day. Those deaths are what led to the lockdown shitshow

There was no big wave of deaths since September because .......say it with me.....vaccines.

Not sure how you describe that second wave as "coping fine".

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The chart shows it to be correct. There's always a big spike in deaths through the winter flu season. Compare each month to the expected deaths per month in Quebec and you'll see that Quebec saw many months with far *fewer* deaths than normal. There was no significant spike in deaths in Quebec after the two months of early difficulties.

 

[Tweetie]

Tweetie you make no sense. Vaccinate the old and vulnerable but don`t vaccinate their younger and healthier friends and relatives won`t stop the spread . Many of the old and vulnerable will get sick from break through infections.

What are you even talking about? Why would the old and vulnerable get sick if they got the injection? Are you assuming that the injection is ineffective? I simply don't understand what point you're trying to make.

 

[Tweetie]

You think, that since billions of doses have been administered, a lot of people are going to get sick, and possibly die.

We have to stop peeing in those pants.

Yes, I certainly fear the possibility of long-term issues caused by these injections. Even if the threat is small and even if only a small number of people get affected, the problem will still be massive. I hope it doesn't happen but we just don't have the long-term data to evaluate.

 

[gallantca]

The chart shows it to be correct. There's always a big spike in deaths through the winter flu season. Compare each month to the expected deaths per month in Quebec and you'll see that Quebec saw many months with far *fewer* deaths than normal. There was no significant spike in deaths in Quebec after the two months of early difficulties.

Wrong again.

From Sept 1 2020 to April 1st 2021 there were 4900 deaths due to Covid in Quebec. Number of deaths for the flu for all of Canada is about that.

Quebec is about 23% of Canada, that's about 4x the normal rate, while people were masked, locked down.....


Question for you. Look at Sept 1st 2020 to Dec 1st 2020. Then look at Sept1st 2021 to Dec 1st 2021. See a difference ? Yep, vaccines.
Or did flu not come this year ?

 

[sene5hos]

the problem will still be massive.

The problem has happened before, because 5.26 million have died from it.

And this will continue because many countries are not well vaccinated.

 

[cloudsurf]

What are you even talking about? Why would the old and vulnerable get sick if they got the injection? Are you assuming that the injection is ineffective? I simply don't understand what point you're trying to make.

Stop showing your ignorance dude. Are you familiar with statistics ? You know that vaccines are never 100% effective. So if a vaccine is 85% effective and a vaccinated person is constantly being exposed to unvaxxed infected people then there is a good chance of a break through infection in time.

 

[Tweetie]

Stop showing your ignorance dude. Are you familiar with statistics ? You know that vaccines are never 100% effective. So if a vaccine is 85% effective and a vaccinated person is constantly being exposed to unvaxxed infected people then there is a good chance of a break through infection in time.

Do you even know what a vaccine is and what it does? This is not an "inactivated vaccine" that has massively benefitted humanity. This is an entirely different sort of technology that has never been used and has no long-term record for safety. It was rushed on the market for emergency purposes and yet the actual emergency is tiny, nowhere near the magnitude of what was initially predicted. These covid injections have had limited efficacy insofar as they don't last long and don't prevent infection.

 

[Tweetie]

Wrong again.

From Sept 1 2020 to April 1st 2021 there were 4900 deaths due to Covid in Quebec. Number of deaths for the flu for all of Canada is about that.

Quebec is about 23% of Canada, that's about 4x the normal rate, while people were masked, locked down.....


Question for you. Look at Sept 1st 2020 to Dec 1st 2020. Then look at Sept1st 2021 to Dec 1st 2021. See a difference ? Yep, vaccines.
Or did flu not come this year ?

You have clearly not studied this issue at any level of depth. Have a look at this table of deaths and then get back to me. April and May 2020 are the only months that stand out as having a higher mortality than expected. https://statistique.quebec.ca/en/do...ths-and-marriages-by-month-and-quarter-quebec

 

[Tweetie]

The problem has happened before, because 5.26 million have died from it.

The people who died were elderly, sick people who would have died of something else by now anyway. (Once again - average age of covid fatalities = 85, average comorbidities = 5) This is not like a war where people killed are young and healthy with their futures ahead of them.

 

[Francoquart]

Stop showing your ignorance dude. Are you familiar with statistics ? You know that vaccines are never 100% effective. So if a vaccine is 85% effective and a vaccinated person is constantly being exposed to unvaxxed infected people then there is a good chance of a break through infection in time.

This is so wrong on many levels.
1-The purpose of the Vaccine is supposed to be creating an immunity toward the Virus, not stopping you from catching it.
2- All unvaxxed are not people walking around carrying the Virus. They need to have it before there are some chances of transmitting it (
most of them do not have it).
3- The virus is not only transmitted from one person to the other, but used many other mediums (not sure we understand all of them).

I am really struggling in understanding how some people can even find it logical that a Vaccinated should be afraid of the Virus... Why the Vaccine then? Since the Vaccine does not stop the Spread (the recent spikes in cases proves it), its only job at this stage is to protect from developing serious or fatal consequences.

 

[gallantca]

You have clearly not studied this issue at any level of depth. Have a look at this table of deaths and then get back to me. April and May 2020 are the only months that stand out as having a higher mortality than expected. https://statistique.quebec.ca/en/do...ths-and-marriages-by-month-and-quarter-quebec

Getting back to you. You claim no extra deaths related to Covid outside the first few months ?

You have clearly not read the data YOU link to. This is YOUR data and shows your claims are wrong.

Here are the number of deaths from Sept-Jan for the last 9 years.

The last bar is Sept 20-Jan21, the wave I referred to above. The period you claim don't have a higher mortalility rate.

No different than the others ? I guess more than 2000 extra deaths means little to you. 12% higher than the 8 year previous average is not significant ?

 

[wetnose]

Meanwhile in South Africa....

South Africa Hospitals Brace for More Omicron Patients

Cases reached more than 16,000 nationally, up from 2,300 a few days earlier

www.voanews.com

In the past week, cases have reached more than 16,000, up dramatically from 2,300 last Monday, according to South Africa's National Institute for Communicable Diseases.

The NICD says the increase in cases in such a short period of time is “unprecedented” in the trajectory of the pandemic, now in its fourth phase in the country.

Hospitals in South Africa’s Gauteng province, which contains two of the country’s biggest cities, are packed with people infected with the omicron variant. Doctors say most of the patients haven’t been vaccinated, and an alarming number of them are children under the age of five-years-old.

“There’s been a rather rapid rise in hospital admissions with patients who have COVID, whether they’re presenting with COVID pneumonia or severe COVID disease," Dr. Abdullah said.

“At this time, we think about 75% to 80% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated," he said. "It could be as large as 40% of the population that has not yet either been vaccinated or had a previous infection with coronavirus up until now,” he noted. “So, we have a large pool of people who can still present with overwhelming infection and severe disease,” he said.

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Personally if I had young kids now, I'd be having an anxiety attack.

The horrifying # is: 7x increase in cases in 1 week, mostly unvaxxed. Only 77% of eligible people in QC have been vaccinated, leaving 1.9M still vulnerable. If the ball gets rolling on Omicron...

BUT!!! At least the numbers show that the vaccinated are not getting hospitalized, which was a key concern of scientists when they announced Omicron a few days ago. So there's your ray of sunshine.