No doubt...
...that many of your points are valid, educated, and well articulated. My compliments on being well read on the subject. Perhaps you are indeed more aware than most of us as to the intricacies of epedemiology and we should be greatful for you mentioning some of the particular risks we agree to take by going GFE in an effort to inspire thoughtful discussion.
Again, I was not referring to your girlfriend particularly as to possibly having been a crack head or a bar whore. Just making the point that you never know what people have done in the past or continue to do presently. This is, admittedly, pessimistic as to trust in loving relationships but as has been pointed out already, you yourself, engage in extracurricular activities, why not her? Especially if she takes YOUR activity as justification to do it herself. Many people cheat at one time or another, fidelity today is a rarity. Maybe you are just one of the luckiest guys out there and your girlfriend is a saint who does, always has, and always will practice safe sex. But she isn`t practicing safe sex with you as you point out, is she? Is that not then a leap of faith? Do Husbands and Wives not betray each other, let alone ``best friends``? 7 years is along time, thats wonderful, but does it guarantee anything other than you get along pretty well together?
Sex with anyone is a risky behavior so if you are going to say we should not do certain things with Sp`s why not say the same for everyone if you are so concerned with safety? As George Bush tells us, abstinence is the only sure way to avoid STD`s and undesired pregnancy. Perhaps, you are willing to accept certain risks, just like those of us who you are so critical of, except that you try to avoid those you view as the MOST ``dirty`` in an attempt to make yourself feel better about your own weakness/indiscriminate behavior. After all, when I have blood work done at my Dr. office they wear gloves the same way with me as they do with everyone else, there is no discrimination when it comes to safety for them.
If you take peoples word for their ``cleanliness`` or make assumptions about it due to their social class/education like your comment about ``Professionals/University grads`` being part of your ``circle`` of friends indicates that you do, you imply that you have a sense of perceived safety having sex with these folks. This exposes your views as being biased. You are implying, without saying it, that people like you and your friends are at less risk than others to which I would point out to you that Kings have died of STD`s and there are more than a few escorts who have college degrees and professional careers who provide GFE service.
You are right BTW, you did not say specifically that Sp`s in general are ``uncultured or inane.`` I merely pointed out that your post inspired stereotypical images of ``nasty`` individuals which you back up further by saying its hard to not believe this to be the case of escorts who take a ``mouthful of semen for a $40 tip.`` Is this really necessary? There are plenty of very nice, intelligent, escorts who offer these services who are not disgusting by any stretch of the imagination to those of us who know them. I imagine comments like that must be very hurtful to those ladies who read this board. Not to pick a fight here but saying things like that doesn`t exactly show great sophistication. You obviously are turned off by the thought of this kind of activity and that is perfectly fine, but if you truly are trying to inspire thoughtful conversation can we leave degrading characterizations out of it?
I don`t think anyone denies that numbers of sexual partners is a serious risk factor. Just realize that intercourse is proven to be more risky than /DATY and SP`s DO concentrate on ALWAYS having safe intercourse while most ``normal`` people do not, for very long anyway. Perhaps then, SP`s are MORE(?) safe (this is theory only of course) than normal people in their private lives since they do what they do, and therefore are more concerned about STD`s while the rest of the population walks around THINKING they are safe because they don`t perform DATY/ with SP`s.
That I use ``Bar whores`` for comparison purposes is only to illustrate that many of them have indiscriminate encounters with lots of unsuspecting fellows who have no idea of what the girl is really like due to intoxication or never getting to know her. One need not actually have sex with a crack whore to be exposed to her possible infection either, you must merely be a part of the chain of contact, or, the ``herd``. Most people have had unprotected sex with several other people who had unprotected sex with someone else, and thus the chain of possible exposure begins. I don`t believe you deny that this is how diseases are spread and it is possible for a long string of people to become infected because of contact with a single infected individual way back at the beginning of the chain of contact. An infection/disease/outbreak usually starts from one source and spreads outward. Thats not an anomaly is it? It sounds more like a basic principle of epdemiology.
This interconnection amongst us all is why I just don`t buy there being THAT big of a difference in SP`s and non-SP`s. Is there more risk? Probably, but is it ``exponentially`` higher? I am not convinced of that for reasons already noted. You are also absolutely right about my argument being a ``sword that cuts both ways``, as I intended it to do. I don`t deny my behavior carries risk, and I don`t discriminate or change behavior based on ASSUMPTIONS over the type of people I see. GFE is here to stay as you can see by EB`s poll, DFK, , and DATY are desired by the overwhelming majority of those who voted. Most of the members on this board have relationships outside the hobby, if they for the most part all seek out and receive ``GFE`` service doesn`t that go to proving something about risk factors as to ALL people in general due to the interconnection factor?
...that many of your points are valid, educated, and well articulated. My compliments on being well read on the subject. Perhaps you are indeed more aware than most of us as to the intricacies of epedemiology and we should be greatful for you mentioning some of the particular risks we agree to take by going GFE in an effort to inspire thoughtful discussion.
Again, I was not referring to your girlfriend particularly as to possibly having been a crack head or a bar whore. Just making the point that you never know what people have done in the past or continue to do presently. This is, admittedly, pessimistic as to trust in loving relationships but as has been pointed out already, you yourself, engage in extracurricular activities, why not her? Especially if she takes YOUR activity as justification to do it herself. Many people cheat at one time or another, fidelity today is a rarity. Maybe you are just one of the luckiest guys out there and your girlfriend is a saint who does, always has, and always will practice safe sex. But she isn`t practicing safe sex with you as you point out, is she? Is that not then a leap of faith? Do Husbands and Wives not betray each other, let alone ``best friends``? 7 years is along time, thats wonderful, but does it guarantee anything other than you get along pretty well together?
Sex with anyone is a risky behavior so if you are going to say we should not do certain things with Sp`s why not say the same for everyone if you are so concerned with safety? As George Bush tells us, abstinence is the only sure way to avoid STD`s and undesired pregnancy. Perhaps, you are willing to accept certain risks, just like those of us who you are so critical of, except that you try to avoid those you view as the MOST ``dirty`` in an attempt to make yourself feel better about your own weakness/indiscriminate behavior. After all, when I have blood work done at my Dr. office they wear gloves the same way with me as they do with everyone else, there is no discrimination when it comes to safety for them.
If you take peoples word for their ``cleanliness`` or make assumptions about it due to their social class/education like your comment about ``Professionals/University grads`` being part of your ``circle`` of friends indicates that you do, you imply that you have a sense of perceived safety having sex with these folks. This exposes your views as being biased. You are implying, without saying it, that people like you and your friends are at less risk than others to which I would point out to you that Kings have died of STD`s and there are more than a few escorts who have college degrees and professional careers who provide GFE service.
You are right BTW, you did not say specifically that Sp`s in general are ``uncultured or inane.`` I merely pointed out that your post inspired stereotypical images of ``nasty`` individuals which you back up further by saying its hard to not believe this to be the case of escorts who take a ``mouthful of semen for a $40 tip.`` Is this really necessary? There are plenty of very nice, intelligent, escorts who offer these services who are not disgusting by any stretch of the imagination to those of us who know them. I imagine comments like that must be very hurtful to those ladies who read this board. Not to pick a fight here but saying things like that doesn`t exactly show great sophistication. You obviously are turned off by the thought of this kind of activity and that is perfectly fine, but if you truly are trying to inspire thoughtful conversation can we leave degrading characterizations out of it?
I don`t think anyone denies that numbers of sexual partners is a serious risk factor. Just realize that intercourse is proven to be more risky than /DATY and SP`s DO concentrate on ALWAYS having safe intercourse while most ``normal`` people do not, for very long anyway. Perhaps then, SP`s are MORE(?) safe (this is theory only of course) than normal people in their private lives since they do what they do, and therefore are more concerned about STD`s while the rest of the population walks around THINKING they are safe because they don`t perform DATY/ with SP`s.
That I use ``Bar whores`` for comparison purposes is only to illustrate that many of them have indiscriminate encounters with lots of unsuspecting fellows who have no idea of what the girl is really like due to intoxication or never getting to know her. One need not actually have sex with a crack whore to be exposed to her possible infection either, you must merely be a part of the chain of contact, or, the ``herd``. Most people have had unprotected sex with several other people who had unprotected sex with someone else, and thus the chain of possible exposure begins. I don`t believe you deny that this is how diseases are spread and it is possible for a long string of people to become infected because of contact with a single infected individual way back at the beginning of the chain of contact. An infection/disease/outbreak usually starts from one source and spreads outward. Thats not an anomaly is it? It sounds more like a basic principle of epdemiology.
This interconnection amongst us all is why I just don`t buy there being THAT big of a difference in SP`s and non-SP`s. Is there more risk? Probably, but is it ``exponentially`` higher? I am not convinced of that for reasons already noted. You are also absolutely right about my argument being a ``sword that cuts both ways``, as I intended it to do. I don`t deny my behavior carries risk, and I don`t discriminate or change behavior based on ASSUMPTIONS over the type of people I see. GFE is here to stay as you can see by EB`s poll, DFK, , and DATY are desired by the overwhelming majority of those who voted. Most of the members on this board have relationships outside the hobby, if they for the most part all seek out and receive ``GFE`` service doesn`t that go to proving something about risk factors as to ALL people in general due to the interconnection factor?
?! Sorry, I've had my fill of "academia." 
