Disturbing Tendencies at Agencies

[Michelle Gunn]

But you're not apparently understanding the application of the definition. There is no discrimination or prejudice based on race when persons are excluded solely based on privacy or discretion factors. You cited a definition. The important part is applying it to the facts at hand.

We have few facts at hand, we are all guessing as to any individual's real reasons, and since no one participating in the thread seems to exclude clients due to race/ethnicity we can only guess. Given the number of profiles I have personally come across that have have those "restrictions", and the fact that I've enjoyed and worked in different facets of Quebec's sex industry for more years than I'll admit, the likelihood of zero percent of these profiles having nothing to do with pure and unadulterated racism is fucking zero. Our "cultural heritage" is racist. I've witnessed more than I need to, and I've had racists try to include me in their whispered unfiltered hate-fest because of my pasty white flesh and blue eyes.
Deal. With. It. Ignoring and denying it doesn't make it go away.

 

[Johnny test]

10 pages already and the thread was started yesterday

 

[Fradi]

What kind of racist would have a best black friend? If he were truly racist, what's the probability of that actually occuring?
I'm sincerely curious...

You obviously think racism only involves the colour black.
Try living anywhere and not speaking the language
Try living in Turkey if you are Greek or the reverse, or In Serbia if your Croatian, in Romania if you are Hungarian, if you are Jewish anywhere in the Middle East. I can give you many more.
Having a best black friend exempts you from all racism lol .
The racism I have described to you cost thousands of lives throughout decades and that hatred has not dwindled much it is not just not having your dick sucked


Try living in Australia and not being able to speak English or right here if you don’t speak French.
Luckily the majority are not racist but there are plenty that are.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Aren’t you a lawyer? Excluding an entire race is racism. It doesn’t matter what the motivations for it are. It doesn’t mean they don’t like that race. Hell, they could even be from that race. They just don’t want them to show up at their door.

Yes, motivation does matter, and in the example I gave to you where facts are at hand, there is no discriminatory intent. The Constitution’s protection of racial and religious groups is organized around the concept of discriminatory intent. I realize you have not studied US federal constitutional law, but the intent was privacy/discretion, and not exclusion based on race. And I should remind you that there is a privacy right here that is worth preserving. When privacy is invaded, a tort is committed, if certain elements are met and the privacy right has not been waived.

In the example I gave of the Asian lady of a very specific ethnic group- let's say Samoans- her refusal to see ANY Asian, as opposed to just Samoans, to preserve her discretion and privacy within that community, could be contended to be insufficiently narrowly drawn. One could argue there is no discriminatory intent when she just excluded Samoans, but there was discriminatory intent when all Asians, including non-Samoans, were also excluded. And yes that is a real life example although she was not Samoan but another Asian ethnicity.

No actionable discrimination there. Because discriminatory intent cannot be proven.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Aren’t you a lawyer? Excluding an entire race is racism. It doesn’t matter what the motivations for it are. It doesn’t mean they don’t like that race. Hell, they could even be from that race. They just don’t want them to show up at their door.

I'm not excluding an entire race.
I'd gladly sleep with Halle Berry or Priyanka Chopra. Just haven't come across anyone here in MTL that's come close.

 

[Joe Thighsman]

10 pages already and the thread was started yesterday

It’s called Pandora’s Box.

 

[Johnny test]

It’s called Pandora’s Box.

where does she work ?

 

[Flabert]

Are you white? Cause if you are it isn't up to you to decide what racism is

Nonsense. Black, brown, asian, latinos and whites can be racist, be victims of racism and have opinions of what racism is and how to fight it.

Having worked in Asia and Africa I can say anti-black racism in Asia is much more prevalent than even in Southern ‘redneck’ states. There is also anti-white racism in many places.

 

[Flabert]

After these 10 pages of rambling, has anyone changed their mind about anything?

Am genuinely curious and would love to hear someone say ‘I used to not see black clients but now I will’.

 

[Jordd]

Yes, motivation does matter, and in the example I gave to you where facts are at hand, there is no discriminatory intent. The Constitution’s protection of racial and religious groups is organized around the concept of discriminatory intent. I realize you have not studied US federal constitutional law, but the intent was privacy/discretion, and not exclusion based on race. And I should remind you that there is a privacy right here that is worth preserving. When privacy is invaded, a tort is committed, if certain elements are met and the privacy right has not been waived.

In the example I gave of the Asian lady of a very specific ethnic group- let's say Samoans- her refusal to see ANY Asian, as opposed to just Samoans, to preserve her discretion and privacy within that community, could be contended to be insufficiently narrowly drawn. One could argue there is no discriminatory intent when she just excluded Samoans, but there was discriminatory intent when all Asians, including non-Samoans, were also excluded. And yes that is a real life example although she was not Samoan but another Asian ethnicity.

No actionable discrimination there. Because discriminatory intent cannot be proven.

Agree with you about intent, but we are not in a court of law. We are not prosecuting the person who restricts ethnicities on their advertisement. We are not seeking the justification for the restriction. The only thing we can identify is "No blacks" on the ad. Regardless of the reason behind it, the exclusion of a clientele based solely on race is inherently racist, your honour.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Agree with you about intent, but we are not in a court of law. We are not prosecuting the person who restricts ethnicities on their advertisement. We are not seeking the justification for the restriction. The only thing we can identify is "No blacks" on the ad. Regardless of the reason behind it, the exclusion of a clientele based solely on race is inherently racist, your honour.

In your example, yes, it is. But in my example, there is no advertising. And no discriminatory intention.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Nonsense. Black, brown, asian, latinos and whites can be racist, be victims of racism and have opinions of what racism is and how to fight it.

Having worked in Asia and Africa I can say anti-black racism in Asia is much more prevalent than even in Southern ‘redneck’ states. There is also anti-white racism in many places.

Anti white racism is not a thing. And yes, black, brown, asian and latino ppl can be racist, I never denied that.

 

[Jordd]

I'm not excluding an entire race.
I'd gladly sleep with Halle Berry or Priyanka Chopra. Just haven't come across anyone here in MTL that's come close.

That message wasn’t for you, but ok.
Your preference for primarily Caucasian women doesn’t constitute racism IMO.
There you go, get outta jail free card!

 

[EagerBeaver]

After these 10 pages of rambling, has anyone changed their mind about anything?

No. It's just a lot of ruminations that will not change anything for anyone.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

A lot of boomers are cool! I'm just being a brat hehe

Sorry I may have misunderstood the word 'pejorative'

 

[Fradi]

Anti white racism is not a thing. And yes, black, brown, asian and latino ppl can be racist, I never denied that.

There are so many forms of racism.
Not getting your dick sucked or not being booked because you are a certain ethnicity or colour is pretty mild compared to racism where it gets to the point of ethnic cleaning.
Most here have never experienced racism where literally your life and all your families life is in danger because you are different.

 

[Mandouke]

And we are seeing a lot more peoples who normally would had been just more conservative in nature but didn't care for basic stuff now rise up and take a stance. They are tired of being forcefully fed up values they don't agree with.

This is so true, push has come to shove in so many areas of the public domain. It is time for many people who have been silent thus far to be heard. The echo will reverberate loudly as they have become fed up with the public discourse and all the bullshit and lies.

 

[Carl.is.Jung]

Reread my comment and the definition of racism.

Once you've answered my question. Gladly.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Anti white racism is not a thing.

Some years ago, there was a lot of criticism directed at Georgetown basketball coach John Thompson, who was an immensely successful NCAA basketball coach who won an NCAA championship, for not recruiting any white guys at all. His teams were generally 100% black, while most other teams had, at least, a few serviceable white players. It should be noted that Thompson's top assistant Craig Esherick was white. But he definitely preferred recruiting exclusively black players on his teams.

From an article about Thompson:
"Thompson simply didn't recruit White players, for in his mind there were too many African American kids for whom opportunities were few and far between. Thompson's priorities were criticized, but he didn't care, but more importantly, he didn't acquiesce."

Is this racism? Yes, I think it is. But, he was a great basketball coach. For those of you who do not know, Georgetown is a great academic school, and was not just a basketball powerhouse. Their diploma does mean something, and one of my close family members has a diploma from them. And has done well with it.

 

[Mandouke]

Are you white? Cause if you are it isn't up to you to decide what racism is

What a racist comment!