Fortunately, Louie, I've been snipped. Can't speak for the others.
This guy, Coyne, has quite a family history of opposing rebellion. His great-grandfather fought with the British against the rebel Irish during the Fenian raids.
downtown student protests - outcall disruptions
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This guy, Coyne, has quite a family history of opposing rebellion. His great-grandfather fought with the British against the rebel Irish during the Fenian raids.
How about going to the university to learn about Quebec's resources.
Chinese tankers already line up to load raw material faster than we can produce it.
Last time you checked was probably back in the 80's when ignorant people would believe that a territory as big as Quebec only had wood and water. Go and get yourself a degree on engineering if you don't fancy geology and get a job at Shell while you're at it ! You know the people who know best about oil ?
Even your mononcle Charest is jerking himself off on what's available.
I think it's way past time your bedtime in reading you a little story on 'how Quebec is big enough to sustain 7 millions people'.
Problem with old ones in this society is to think that the new generation doesn't know better and they are only there to party while they (the old and fat ones) enjoy the freedom of putting this country in debts living on a credit line and dumping their sh!t onto the next generation.
And for the PQ or separation ? tell me did you learn anything about the last federal election ?
You know when you got all f*cked up on how Quebec decided to go beyond this stupid argument about federalists vs. nationalists ?
You can try to raise this 'bonhomme sept heure' on taxes and debts to pay if Quebec would separate, bla bla bla...
WE DON'T CARE ! These generations DON'T FUCK!N' CARE about this prehistoric way of thinking !
Quebec and Canada is already in debts by the same old fucktard who try to make us believe we would be worse without them.
How can you do worse than a generation that had so much abundance and managed to get us in deep sh!t ?
All these old geezers... Get the f*ck outa here !
You want to fix this ? you want solutions ?
Easy ! here's one ! get the old politicians (over 60) out of here !
You want another one ?
Full public inquiry (which EVERYONE but the liberals) want since 2009, on how political parties are financed !
Reform all political process including the municipal ones !
Like if it is so dificult to understand how fucktard it is to give away 10billion to a corrupted gov. in Afghanistan while cutting on health care and education in Canada ?
Give me a break ! And to top that one ! give them over 100million every year from now to keep having the biggest drug cartel in the world.
Heck why not ? 150 Canadian soldiers died for this anyway !
Anarchist me ? ROFL
Now since you asked me something...how about YOU tell me what happened in 2007 when this Charest gov. tried to raise the tuition fees ? Lets go old and wise one, lets see what you can come up !
Ha ha ! what a brainwashed crap !
"To prevent it in taking steps to trim the size of this most heavily indebted jurisdiction !"
People still believe in that sh!t that the way to prosperity is to trim the gov.
Oh yeah ! and while you are it give away 150K to every minister who quits his/her job in the middle of a term.
Here's a list of the triming this gov. is doing... starting from it's latest one :
The late education minister saying she couldn't do the job and got something like 150K for quitting !
Beside her pay an pension...
Yup ! not for working ! but for quitting ! How's that in triming ?
The late vice-president (the same one saying students should do their part and accept a 80% raise in tuition fees)
The late justice minister
The late "Family" minister
The late deputy premier
The late Transportation minister
The leader of the new political party who got money to leave (and start a new political party)
Etc. Etc. Etc.
There are even ones who quit, were paid for quitting and got back in the party as advisors !
And all the consultants, political advisors, etc.. who gets a bonus to STFU on what happened with the financing of the party.
What a f*ckin' joke !
This is where the real whining is !
"Bouhou ! I can't do my job anymore so give me a bonus for leaving !
And the hell with the people who voted for me... I don't give a sh!t about them and this democracy anyway !"
What a handsome bunch of beggers !
A group I'm involved with is convening in Montreal next weekend, taking 60 rooms from June 1-3 at a major downtown hotel. I had to meet with the convention manager this morning to go over a few details and, naturally, we got to discussing the action currently taking place in our fair city. I told her that a few panic stricken individuals from far away were posting on merb that "anarchists" are overrunning and burning down the city, raping the women, looting, overturning cars, and stealing candy from the children.
I asked her what effect the strike was having on business at the hotel. Her answer was "none." People cancelling reservations? Nope. New reservations down? Nada. Any effect whatsoever? None. Zilch.
Remember, boys, the girl who is knocking on your door at 8 tonight was wearing a red patch at four this afternoon.
I asked her what effect the strike was having on business at the hotel. Her answer was "none." People cancelling reservations? Nope. New reservations down? Nada. Any effect whatsoever? None. Zilch.
Remember, boys, the girl who is knocking on your door at 8 tonight was wearing a red patch at four this afternoon.
Rumples, as of yet there have been no major international events since this bullshit started. Let's see how things go after the Grand Prix in a couple of weeks. I just heard a report onthe radio that said hotels are receiving more cancellations than they are bookings. But I'm sure your source is much better and accurate than the reporters' sources. As for the number of red patches around town, who gives a shit? It's just the latest cause celebre and people are jumping on board whether they know anything about it or not. At this point in time most of the protestors don't even know what the hell they're protesting anymore and it's become a nightly street party for them.
Gentle, your posts are so scattered and so all over the place I can't even begin to read them or try to reply to them. I guess you must be an incredible intelligence way beyond normal individuals such as myself and can come up with ways to completely overhaul the political system of every country in the world if chose to do so. It must be nice to be such a genius and I have no idea how you have time to post here when you must certainly be advising the United Nations on how to solve all the political problems of the world. I'm still waiting for some ideas on how to solve the problems here but you must have a reason to keep them to yourself. I really love your constant rants against corruption in government but for some reason you say nothing about the financial and organizational help the unions in Quebec are giving to the students. Yes, the same unions that are just as corrupt if not more so than any government has ever been. But I guess that's fine as long as the corruption is on your side.
Gentle, your posts are so scattered and so all over the place I can't even begin to read them or try to reply to them. I guess you must be an incredible intelligence way beyond normal individuals such as myself and can come up with ways to completely overhaul the political system of every country in the world if chose to do so. It must be nice to be such a genius and I have no idea how you have time to post here when you must certainly be advising the United Nations on how to solve all the political problems of the world. I'm still waiting for some ideas on how to solve the problems here but you must have a reason to keep them to yourself. I really love your constant rants against corruption in government but for some reason you say nothing about the financial and organizational help the unions in Quebec are giving to the students. Yes, the same unions that are just as corrupt if not more so than any government has ever been. But I guess that's fine as long as the corruption is on your side.
That's true, and this certainly isn't one. You know what they'd call what's happening in Montreal in most American cities: quiet nights.
My source is the convention manager at a major downtown hotel. I just saw in an article about the strike mention about how much international convention bookings are down in Montreal. In the next sentence, the article mentioned how conventions are booked 3-4 years ahead of time. Guess they must have had advance word on the strike 3-4 years ago. Writers nowadays, given the 24 hour news cycle brought on by cable news and the internet, are desperate for copy. This particular one missed his own shoddy logic. I'll believe the person I spoke with this morning, thank you. Got it first hand from the source.
Haha ! meme les pompiers ont du fun !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PX3Ue8C1Zvo&feature=endscreen
Looks like we're gonna have a new festival this summer in Montreal !
I feel for all the ones pissed accros this country for living in a dull and event less city !
Here's a new prediction for ya !
The cost of this mess from the Charest gov. will be greater than what they wanted from the raise of the tuition fees !
Just sayin' ! :eyebrows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PX3Ue8C1Zvo&feature=endscreen
Looks like we're gonna have a new festival this summer in Montreal !
I feel for all the ones pissed accros this country for living in a dull and event less city !
Here's a new prediction for ya !
The cost of this mess from the Charest gov. will be greater than what they wanted from the raise of the tuition fees !
Just sayin' ! :eyebrows:
for those not familiar with how big the situation is thats going on here, this video was shot a cpl days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIO4FgXN1CY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIO4FgXN1CY
Gentle, where you think the government gets their money from you idiot? How can anyone be happy about businesses losing money and the city's reputation being damaged is beyone me. The students will love it too when they find out there's no jobs for them because bar and restaurant business is going in the toilet. I bet your just waiting for the first person to get killed because of this mess so you can laugh and gloat some more.
What a jackass.
What a jackass.
Actually, the only reputation that has been damaged is that of Charest, who today was named winner of the 2012 Richard M. Nixon Award.
Hmmm,
Like I cautioned, it's too bad and often tragic when zealots impose themselves on touchy situations to exploit it by expanding it through extreme actions for their own often unrelated agendas.
However, putting all else aside, Charest is to blame for the boost in activity and the alleged turn of support locally and internationally for the student protesters. The students pay some of the lowest rates in the Western World for higher education. When the more moderated plan for raising tuition fees (which seems necessary and fairly reasonable) was proposed it probably would have let out a lot of steam from this protest if Charest had not used Bill 78 to deal with the issue. Without that the student zealots would have looked like irrational radicals to most people. But because of what even the English language Montreal Gazette calls "a bone-headed mistake", through implementation of Bill 78 by Charest, the tuition issue has become a civil rights issue gathering far more student support and reopening the Sovereignty Debate. Talk about a bad move.
Charest appears to have been awful on his handling of the episode, and with the resulting consequences to business and the image to the city Charests' competence as a leader should be called into question. Had he been less heavy-handed I think the issue stays contained at minimum, and likely fizzles out in the end.
"Who hijacked my thread?"
Sorry Freedom, it's gone the same way the issue has turned with the public.
Cheers,
Merlot
Like I cautioned, it's too bad and often tragic when zealots impose themselves on touchy situations to exploit it by expanding it through extreme actions for their own often unrelated agendas.
However, putting all else aside, Charest is to blame for the boost in activity and the alleged turn of support locally and internationally for the student protesters. The students pay some of the lowest rates in the Western World for higher education. When the more moderated plan for raising tuition fees (which seems necessary and fairly reasonable) was proposed it probably would have let out a lot of steam from this protest if Charest had not used Bill 78 to deal with the issue. Without that the student zealots would have looked like irrational radicals to most people. But because of what even the English language Montreal Gazette calls "a bone-headed mistake", through implementation of Bill 78 by Charest, the tuition issue has become a civil rights issue gathering far more student support and reopening the Sovereignty Debate. Talk about a bad move.
Charest appears to have been awful on his handling of the episode, and with the resulting consequences to business and the image to the city Charests' competence as a leader should be called into question. Had he been less heavy-handed I think the issue stays contained at minimum, and likely fizzles out in the end.
"Who hijacked my thread?"
Sorry Freedom, it's gone the same way the issue has turned with the public.
Cheers,
Merlot
However, putting all else aside, Charest is to blame for the boost in activity and the alleged turn of support locally and internationally for the student protesters. The students pay some of the lowest rates in the Western World for higher education. When the more moderated plan for raising tuition fees (which seems necessary and fairly reasonable) was proposed it probably would have let out a lot of steam from this protest if Charest had not used Bill 78 to deal with the issue. Without that the student zealots would have looked like irrational radicals to most people. But because of what even the English language Montreal Gazette calls "a bone-headed mistake", through implementation of Bill 78 by Charest, the tuition issue has become a civil rights issue gathering far more student support and reopening the Sovereignty Debate. Talk about a bad move.
Merlot, while it might be true that the passage of Bill 78 made the situation worse, it's not true, as you imply, that everything would have been fine without this law. This particular dispute has been going on for months and the general dispute over the cost of tuition has been going on for years.
No provincial government, not even a 1996 separatist Parti Quebecois-led government, has been able to satisfy the demands of the most radical students. Pauline Marois, the current leader of the PQ, was also the leader of the PQ in 1996 and she tried and failed to implement a tuition increase then. There is no reason to believe she would be any more successful than Charest at solving this problem. She probably knows that too, and so her worst fear right now is probably winning the new election that everyone is predicting.
MONTREAL - A timeline of events in the tuition dispute between the Quebec government and student federations, which has sparked 100 days of unrest in the province:
1990 — Robert Bourassa's Liberal government increases tuition from $500 to $1,600 — a $280 annual hike over four years. Thousands of students hit the streets, but Bourassa remains steadfast.
1996 — Strike involving some 100,000 students begins in October when then-Parti Quebecois education minister Pauline Marois tries to implement about a 30 per cent increase. She backtracks soon amid protests, reinstating tuition freeze until at least 2007.
2005 — Liberal government seeks to cut $103 million from financial aid. By mid-March, more than 200,000 students are on strike and, within a few weeks, the Liberals backtrack and restore the full amount.
2007 — Liberals announce tuition increase of $500 over five-year period.
August 2010 — Line Beauchamp becomes education minister in cabinet shuffle.
March 2011 — Finance Minister Raymond Bachand announces Quebec's intention to raise tuition fees, beginning in September 2012. Plan is to raise tuition by $325 a year over five years. Total increase will amount to an additional $1,625, raising Quebec tuition to $3,793 in 2017. Will remain among lowest in Canada.
August 2011 — Students formally begin campaign against tuition hikes, trying to convince government to back down.
Nov. 10, 2011 — Massive peaceful rally held in Montreal with promise from common front of student groups to ratchet up the pressure.
Feb. 13, 2012 — Student action officially begins with first groups voting in favour of a walkout.
Feb. 23 — Students pepper-sprayed after occupying Montreal's Jacques Cartier Bridge.
March 7 — During an altercation with police, student Francis Grenier is badly hurt in the eye. Students allege it is from a police stun grenade, although it is never confirmed. Grenier becomes rallying point for students who begin wearing patches over their right eyes in addition to red squares marking their protests.
March 21 — Students begin to increase pressure tactics aimed at disrupting Quebec economy. One group occupies Montreal's busy Champlain Bridge during rush hour. Each student fined $494.
March 22 — Massive, peaceful protest draws attention to growing student movement. More than 100,000 take part.
March 27 — Protesters block access to Quebec Liquor Board offices as students began to target economic symbols.
April 2 — The outside of Beauchamp's Montreal office is painted red. The building becomes popular rallying point during marches.
April 16 — Co-ordinated effort sees city's subway system shut after protesters threw bags full of bricks on to the tracks. Offices of four Quebec cabinet ministers vandalized, some with Molotov cocktails.
April 18-19 — More than 300 people arrested in Gatineau, Que., during confrontations between police and protesters at Universite du Quebec's Outaouais campus.
April 20-21 — Police and protesters clash in front of Montreal's convention centre where a job fair is being held on Premier Jean Charest's legacy project — a plan to develop northern Quebec. More than 100 protesters arrested during two days of violent skirmishes with riot police.
April 23 — Beginning of talks begin aimed at ending the protest, now into its 11th week.
April 24 — Nightly street protests begin in Montreal. They have since ebbed and flowed in size. Some have been brief and peaceful while others have been enormous and turbulent.
April 25 — Talks break off abruptly, sparking massive protest on Montreal streets. Eighty-five people arrested by police, with damage to banks, cars and businesses.
April 26 — Students say they will return to negotiating table but government refuses, saying student plan to allow two members of the most radical group a seat at the table is unacceptable. Police say there have been 160 protests over 72 days, just in Montreal.
April 27 — Government reveals offer to students: a slightly slower phase-in period for the hikes, more generous loans and bursaries, and future hikes indexed to inflation. It asks students to take time to consider the plan, but also go back to class.
May 4 — Ugly scenes in Victoriaville, Que., outside a Liberal convention. Multiple injuries, including critical ones, during confrontation between crowd and provincial riot police. A young protester loses an eye. Some people kick and beat a police officer.
May 5 — After marathon negotiating session, student groups and government reach deal to delay increases in cost of education for a few months pending a study by a new body. Student assemblies massively reject the offer, while some student faculties vote to end walkout and return to school.
May 10 — Smoke bombs set off at various points on the Montreal metro system during the morning rush hour, disrupting subway service on a rainy morning. Police release pictures of suspects snapped by other passengers' cellphone cameras. Four people arrested and detained for days. Supporters hold demonstration at Montreal courthouse, shoving aside media trying to cover event.
May 14 — Line Beauchamp resigns as education minister and is replaced by ex-education minister Michelle Courchesne.
May 16 — Protesters, many covering their faces with masks, storm into a university and move through hallways in pursuit of classes to disrupt. There are angry confrontations with students who want to be at school.
May 16 — Premier Charest announces plans for special law that will include pause in academic year for institutions affected by the walkouts.
May 17 — Government tables special legislation. It includes severe financial penalties for people blocking schools along with rules about how to protest. Protesters must inform police of their plans eight hours in advance, and police have the right to move a protest location.
May 18 — Special law passes, prompting opposition to declare a dark day in Quebec's history. On the same day, Montreal bylaw passes that would impose fines for wearing masks at certain protests. No fines have yet been imposed under either of those new rules, which are being habitually flouted.
May 19 — Montreal protest gets ugly, with bonfires and barricades in the street. Police accused of using excessive force on peaceful members of the crowd, such as pepper-spraying a patio full of bar patrons. On ''Saturday Night Live,'' Montreal-based rock band Arcade Fire takes to the stage wearing red squares, next to icon Mick Jagger.
May 20-21 — Huge nightly protests continue during Victoria Day weekend. C.L.A.S.S.E. group takes tougher stand on the special law, announcing plans to defy it.
May 22 — On 100th day of the student strike, tens of thousands of people participate in huge Montreal march. Many intentionally flout provincial law by wandering off pre-announced path. Solidarity demonstrations are held in Paris, New York, Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto. Labour unions outside Quebec pledge continued support of strikers' cause.
Wow, this is totally cool. I hadn't heard about this.
Bill 78 has totally changed the tenor of the dispute. Several thousand marched past my door last night around nine, banging pots and pans. While in the past it was just students, now there are people of all ages, even people old enough to be students' grandparents and whole families with young children. As they parade by, neighbours come outside with pots and pans and bang along in solidarity.
Like Nixon before him, Charest's days are numbered. I don't see any choice but to call for an election. He's misread public sentiment in legendary fashion. Libertine Quebec is just not the place to be offering up repressive legislation.
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Lily from Montreal
I totally agree, when even someone like me who usually will walk a mile to avoid a confrontation have this urge to join a manifestation , it is a sure sign that the situation is extreme ...
Montreal police breaking windows to make it look like it is the students or black block :thumb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Sn7lQTriI&feature=g-logo
Caught in the act, they can't even give an explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Sn7lQTriI&feature=g-logo
Caught in the act, they can't even give an explanation.
Hum ! forgot all the provocation from the gov. on your timline though specially the 2007 and this spring from both Charest and late education minister.
And one big fact remains which is constantly avoided by Canadian media in general : the on-going corruption that made this raise a real provocation after everything this gov. didn't do to fix the university's sky-rocketing expenses.
The real issue for students is simple. They see corruption not only at the gov. level but also all the universities and they can add 2+2 which is not what Media's backing the gov. can even do.
THAT's WHY THE STUDENTS WEREN'T NOT AGAINST THE RAISE - IF THE RAISE WOULD BENEFIT THE EDUCATION - NOT TO GIVE AWAY BONUS TO RECTORS or FRIENDS OF THE GOV. !
GET IT ? HOW thick is your skull ?
Now for the sake of Freedom's request...?
Just like Rumple said who knows a lot more on what's going on than most of you guys !
There shouldn't be much disruption since most of the best hotels aren't in the area where the protests are !
That's the best you can do ? :smile:
I'm not surprised !
Funny you mentioned 'this mess'.
Now tell me who's in charge ? Who's responsability is it then ?
The idiots are the ones who doesn't give a shit that people dies in the hospitals nowadays because some jackass used public money like it was their own instead of investing in health care !
All of those who don't give a sh!t about how this system is letting people die in hospitals and how public money is wasted at grossing a fat lazy retarded who just wants more bureaucracy in both education and health care are the real jackass !
If you had any ounce of compassion you would stop giving this gov. a break on how it is hiding under the 'no fault' mentality while they're the ones in charge.
So as I said before... you can still go for outcalls.
Summer is coming and it's getting warm in Montreal.
This is the right time to enjoy sex !
Hey hey ! here's a positive side to this maple spring !
Maybe a plus for Freedom's question...
My favorite hotel in the old port is now $25 less than it was supposed to be in June.
So I'm getting a small rebate for 2 nights with taxes to about $60.00
Just enough for a new option with my favorite Indy !
Thanks to Charest's gov. I can now swear any minister's name when I'll cum in her mouth :thumb:
Ah oui ! T'en mon esti ! mmm che bon hein ? ouais !!!
Is this Jackass enough for ya ? :eyebrows:
Maybe a plus for Freedom's question...
My favorite hotel in the old port is now $25 less than it was supposed to be in June.
So I'm getting a small rebate for 2 nights with taxes to about $60.00
Just enough for a new option with my favorite Indy !
Thanks to Charest's gov. I can now swear any minister's name when I'll cum in her mouth :thumb:
Ah oui ! T'en mon esti ! mmm che bon hein ? ouais !!!
Is this Jackass enough for ya ? :eyebrows:
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