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[CLOUD 500]

Puriteens is stricly a USA affair, with the religious-right. Certainly not in Montreal.

Puriteens are a mainly Progressive/Liberal affair driven by feminism and the # MeToo movement. GenZ are the least likely to be religious and are for the LGBTQ movement. Canada is just as affected as the US.

Puriteen - Wikipedia

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Key points in Wikipedia:

1. Many are anti-porn and anti-kink but are not typically anti-LGBTQ.
2. Young people are the least sexually active generation in decades. Some argue this is down to greater awareness about consent and trauma as a result of the Me Too movement and increased familiarity with porn leading to increased opposition to it due to increased understanding of it.

All Progressive leftist beliefs. I know of some Progressives who are feminists and are prudish and borderline androphobic. Get your facts straight before posting a nonsensical post. So you said you did not vote for the Liberals, could have fooled me!

 

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Those who have no success with women or/and are INCELS will agree with you. It is easier to blame others than to take a look in the mirror. This is a shameful rhetoric.
Feminism is about freedom of choice for women by women. This subject has nothing to do with left or right. Feminists may chose to go straight or they may chose otherwise.
Famous INCEL: Marc Lépine was a Canadian antifeminist mass murderer from Montreal, Quebec who, in 1989, murdered fourteen women, and wounded ten women and four men[note 1] at the École Polytechnique de Montréal, an engineering school affiliated with the Université de Montréal, in the École Polytechnique massacre, also known as the "Montreal Massacre".[1][2] Marc Lépine was also blaming feminism to justify the horrible crime he committed.

The habit to put politic everywhere is the weakest link in the agenda they push. In fact they have no arguments and invent an arrangement of words to fill their existential void..

Incel - Wikipedia

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Marc Lépine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Puriteens is stricly a USA affair, with the religious-right. Certainly not in Montreal.

I don't know anything about Puriteens. But I certainly hope Montreal and Canada overall doesn't emulate the religiosity in the US. First thing I saw when I was in town a few weeks ago on Rene Levesque was a huge crowd marching down the street with signs like "Essayez Jesus!" Montreal is for delicious food and delicious women. Ain't nobody got time for that Jesus shit.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Puriteens is stricly a USA affair, with the religious-right. Certainly not in Montreal.

You were the one that made it political. This is what you wrote. Reality is less and less young people are religious. There will be a time when religion will disappear. There are many reasons why GenZ are more prudish, but religion is not one of them! It is fact that GenZ are having less sex then any other generation. Facts are facts, it does not change because you want it to and has nothing to do with incels, they got their own set of issues!

Why millennials aren't having sex

The numbers are in, and it’s official: The Millennials are having less sex than any other cohort of homo sapiens that has ever lived

nationalpost.com

Yet here you are blaming the far-right and religion.

BTW: Most anti-prostitution laws come from feminists. The Nordic model is taking over.

 

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Talking about nonsensical post. Here is the perfect example: "Puriteens are a mainly Progressive/Liberal affair driven by feminism and the # MeToo movement. GenZ are the least likely to be religious and are for the LGBTQ movement. Canada is just as affected as the US."

Blaming everybody, citing wiki where all the reference are in the USA... The sociology in Canada is very different from the one in USA. The difference is even bigger if you take Quebec society. The teens so called "prolife", manifesting anti-abortion, anti-pro-choice, are the puriteens. The situation is completely different in Canad vs US. I lived for a while in Houston, Texas, during early eighties, and good luck trying to date a girl over 25 years old. They were all married. There the only way to have sex for youngers was within marriage. Up to 1960 it was like that here too but no more since 50 years.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Blaming everybody, citing wiki where all the reference are in the USA... The sociology in Canada is very different from the one in USA. The difference is even bigger if you take Quebec society. The teens so called "prolife", manifesting anti-abortion, anti-pro-choice, are the puriteens. The situation is completely different in Canad vs US. I lived for a while in Houston, Texas, during early eighties, and good luck trying to date a girl over 25 years old. They were all married. There the only way to have sex for youngers was within marriage. Up to 1960 it was like that here too but no more since 50 years.

You got this right.. Canada is far more to the left then the USA so blaming the far-right/religion makes even less sense for Quebec. Scheer lost the election because he was anti-abortion. You just do not get it do you. See if this was the 1950s I would have agreed with you but not in 2022. Patron's post was about why there are less young sex workers. The reasons why there are less young sex workers is related to other reasons but certainly not due to them being religious.

 

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^^^^ Au Québec, ce n'est pas ce que les statistiques démontrent. Les jeunes d'aujourd'hui ont autant de relations sexuelles que la génération d'avant, peut-être plus.
Avec un 55% et plus à 17 ans, ils ne sont pas désintéressés. De toute façon, je ne suis pas d'accord avec la prémisse de la question. Il est faux de prétendre qu'il y a moins de jeunes filles de 25 ans et moins pratiquant le "métier" d'escorte à comparer avec il y a disons 10-20 ans. Si tu veux faire du millage politique là-dessus, j'ai bien peur que ta chaîne de bicycle ait déjà débarqué. Chacun son opinion mais tes arguments sont loin d'être convaincants. Pour les jeunes chez leurs parents, ils sont en général aux études et ont du sexe avec leurs amis/ies et ne font pas dans l'escorte ou les salons de massages. De toute façon, la population au Québec étant vieillissante la demande a sûrement baissé alors même si l'offre a baissé aussi, on se retrouve dans les mêmes proportions.

Relations sexuelles chez les élèves du secondaire - Statistiques de santé et de bien être selon le sexe - Tout le Québec - Professionnels de la santé - MSSS

www.msss.gouv.qc.ca

 

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Ici une recherche récente de 2022, relate l'expression de la sexualité chez les adolescents/tes au Québec.

On y apprend qu’environ le tiers des adolescents ont eu des relations sexuelles complètes ou orales, une proportion qui n’a pas vraiment évolué depuis les années 1980, indique Judith Kotiuga, étudiante au doctorat en psychologie clinique à l’Université Laval, qui a réalisé cette recherche.

Les adolescents ont toutefois été sondés sur plusieurs autres pratiques sexuelles, qui vont bien au-delà du sexe oral et de la pénétration.

Un article général sur la question ici: https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022/05/10/la-majorite-des-adolescents-regardent-de-la-pornographie

L'intégrale de la présentation orale au congrès de l'ACFAS:

Portrait descriptif des pratiques sexuelles des adolescents québécois

www.acfas.ca

La référence aux années 1980 est un peu avant la septième minute, l'enregistrement total dure 12 minutes. Les données sont présentées dans plusieurs tableaux accompagnant le texte.

Désolé, pas de politique, seulement des faits.

Il est donc faux de prétendre que les jeunes québécois/ses de la génération Z ont moins d'activité sexuelle que les jeunes de leur âge il y a 20 ou 40 ans. Il est donc faux de prétendre que ce serait la cause d'une baisse prétendue dans l'offre de service d'escorte. Finalement, tout se tient.

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[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Patron exactly. But that is not the only thing. It is fact that GenZ are living longer with their parents then previous generations. The reasons are unknown. Living with your parents makes it hard to live a double life as a sex worker. How do you explain to your parents on how you are able to afford things that are well beyond your means or in the case of a stripper or masseuse, how do you explain being out till 4am almost daily. As you said there are many reasons, what I can say for certain is that religion has nothing to do with this especially in Quebec. Anyone who thinks that is DELUSIONAL.

 

[CLOUD 500]

The situation is completely different in Canad vs US. I lived for a while in Houston, Texas, during early eighties, and good luck trying to date a girl over 25 years old. They were all married.

You talk about Texas in the 80s, wake up! A lot has changed in the past 40 years! Houston is not the same today compared to the 80s. Religion is irrelevant today in 2022 especially in Quebec. As for your post #28 and #29, great posts. Facts are stated in it.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Stop living in the past. Religion is irrelevant today in 2022 especially in Quebec. As for your post #28 and #29, great posts. Facts are stated in it.

I'm not getting into the whole Puriteen debate but I'm going to strongly disagree that "religion is irrelevant". It doesn't make me guilty of living in the past to point out that we did have an religious anti-abortion, anti gay marriage Prime Minister with a strong evangelical Jesus Freak base, being one himself. Not by fluke, he was re-elected and had strong direct ties with the influencial individuals and US groups that ultimately successfully got v. Roe reversed.

Did it just disappear when Harper did? No. They're still there waiting for their next leader. Was his base here? What he was good at, unlike Scheer, is strategically making his base happy but being very opaque and tight lipped about his beliefs publicly to avoid alienating the voters he needed.

Research it. Religion may be irrelevant in Montreal but it definitely isn't elsewhere in Canada. It wasn't that long ago and the anti abortion arm of that movement is feeling pretty emboldened at the moment.

IIt's neither about living in the past or living in the present. We don't live in a vacuum. The present is the past.

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Jumping to another topic - It's funny to read people blaming "feminism". First, because what kind of feminism exactly? There are different waves of feminism and branches, so there's enormous variations within feminism. Vaguely blaming brainwashing from feminists doesn't really say anything. It's kind of amusing, though.

Maybe girls are just turned off by the MRA and incels? If the rise in consent awareness is responsible for less sex, than I'd say maybe what we were counting as sex wasn't sex. Maybe they saw how the system excused and enabled boys and men to behave. They saw how boys and men did not hold each accountable for violence and rape but looked the other way and respected code of silences over girls?

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[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
I will not get too deep into the politics of this since I do not want to hijack this thread. What I will say is this "Both Liberals and Conservatives are against sex work for their own reasons", the end result is the same. Trudeau has done absolutely nothing to repeal Bill C-36. The feminists are the current drivers of the ban against sex work. The Nordic model is spreading, see how a Socialist leader in Spain is planning to make it illegal. And that in itself is weird, because feminism is supposed to be "My body My Choice" yet the feminists are infantiling the girls and telling them how sex work is a form of exploitation and all the clients are predators. You as a sex worker do you agree with this? Religion is becoming less relevant with each coming day. In Canada, anti-abortion movement will never fly here.

 

[Red Paul]

... feminism is supposed to be "My body My Choice" yet the feminists are infantiling the girls and telling them how sex work is a form of exploitation and all the clients are predators. You as a sex worker do you agree with this?

Maybe start a new thread for that one. Interesting debate, but here the topic is more what escorts are currently like, not the sexual views prevailing among young people or the influence of feminism.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
You are right.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

@Anna Bijou

L'élection d'un premier ministre conservateur ou libéral n'est que la conséquence de vivre dans un pays, où, tradionnellement et malheureusement, le choix se limite à 2 partis politiques, comme au USA. Le résultat final n'est jamais lié à l'idéologie du vainqueur mais plutôt à la nécéssité de changement. Le pouvoir use et rend confortable, le peuple se fatigue et vote pour celui qui a le plus de chance de remplacer l'actuel PM. Cela se vérifie facilement en observant la tendance qu'un parti ne fait jamais plus que 2 mandats d'affilés. Même chose au provincial, la vérité est que tout ces politiciens sont interchangeables, pour preuve, ils sautent allègrement d'un parti à l'autre au gré des tendances électorales.

 

[Anna Bijou]

^^^^^
I will not get too deep into the politics of this since I do not want to hijack this thread. What I will say is this "Both Liberals and Conservatives are against sex work for their own reasons", the end result is the same. Trudeau has done absolutely nothing to repeal Bill C-36. The feminists are the current drivers of the ban against sex work. The Nordic model is spreading, see how a Socialist leader in Spain is planning to make it illegal. And that in itself is weird, because feminism is supposed to be "My body My Choice" yet the feminists are infantiling the girls and telling them how sex work is a form of exploitation and all the clients are predators. You as a sex worker do you agree with this? Religion is becoming less relevant with each coming day. In Canada, anti-abortion movement will never fly here.

What I'm saying is that the Nordic Model is not pushed by 'the feminists'. It's pushed by a specific branch/brand of feminism, Radical Feminism. It's not 'Feminism'. It is not even the majority of feminism and so different than other branches of feminism. It's from second wave feminism and yes, the current fourth wave seems to agree with a lot of radical feminism.

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@Anna Bijou

L'élection d'un premier ministre conservateur ou libéral n'est que la conséquence de vivre dans un pays, où, tradionnellement et malheureusement, le choix se limite à 2 partis politiques, comme au USA. Le résultat final n'est jamais lié à l'idéologie du vainqueur mais plutôt à la nécéssité de changement. Le pouvoir use et rend confortable, le peuple se fatigue et vote pour celui qui a le plus de chance de remplacer l'actuel PM. Cela se vérifie facilement en observant la tendance qu'un parti ne fait jamais plus que 2 mandats d'affilés. Même chose au provincial, la vérité est que tout ces politiciens sont interchangeables, pour preuve, ils sautent allègrement d'un parti à l'autre au gré des tendances électorales.

Je suis d'accord jusqu'à un certain point. Ils sont interchangeables en grande partie. Ils servent les grandes corporations et les lobby qui les représentent à Ottawa. Mais quelqu'un comme Harper, autant que je le méprise, ne peut pas être accusé d'être interchangeable, comme Trudeau pourrait facilement l'être.

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Ok I won't high jack anymore. Sorry guys. Just wanted to clarify a couple of things. Cheers.

 

[CLOUD 500]

What I'm saying is that the Nordic Model is not pushed by 'the feminists'. It's pushed by a branch of feminism, Radical Feminism. It's not 'Feminism'. It is not even the majority of feminism and so different than other branches of feminism. It's from second wave feminism and yes, the current fourth wave seems to agree with a lot of radical feminism.

Ok I won't high jack anymore. Sorry guys. Just wanted to clarify a couple of things. Cheers.

I agree with this.

 

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There are numerous posts that there are fewer 18-22 year old sex workers available in Montreal now than a decade or two ago, so saying it is a U.S. thing is not accurate.

It is really difficult to follow you. You mix things in different posts than you try to do a fair critic.
In post #21, I wrote "Puriteens is stricly a USA affair, with the religious-right. Certainly not in Montreal."
The religious-right power is a US thing, so is the Puriteens movements. I never commented if there are more or less "sex workers" in the US now compared to 20 years ago.
I don't know and I don't give a shit about it.

Your second paragraph is completely false as it is based on a demonstrated false premise that teen have a lower sexual activity now.

Your third one refers to older teens. A teen is a minor. At 18 in Canada and 21 in US you are an adult. Meeting an older teen is not something to brag about unless you consider a MILF being an older teen.

Your third paragraph is almost philosophical trying to predict that in a few years 25-40 years old ladies will enter in this "industry. It doesn't go this way and there is no reason it could be a "new normal".

Your last one is from the outer space in an "alternate facts world" I will just copy it here. You wrote "I always think it is amusing that when group therapy is advertised, asexuals are often in the same group as the polyamorous / sex addicts / want to fuck everyone in the room. The School for Johns diversion programs are kept completely separate. It would make quite the Breakfast Club sequel if all three groups were put together and some of the asexuals were Puriteens." I can't figure ou where you wanna go with this. Unless you experienced one of these weirdo's group, but I'm not sure there is any base to what you wrote.

 

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^^^^^
Patron exactly. But that is not the only thing. It is fact that GenZ are living longer with their parents then previous generations. The reasons are unknown.

The reasons are well known. Today's parents are wealthier than a generation ago and have fewer children to support. There are more children pursuing higher education. Some were child-kings and the mother wants to keep them close to her. And, it must be said, it's safer to stay in the cozy nest, if mum and dad pick up the bills.

 

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You got this right.. Canada is far more to the left then the USA so blaming the far-right/religion makes even less sense for Quebec.

Far-right/religion is a US thing. Period.

Scheer lost the election because he was anti-abortion. You just do not get it do you. See if this was the 1950s I would have agreed with you but not in 2022. Patron's post was about why there are less young sex workers. The reasons why there are less young sex workers is related to other reasons but certainly not due to them being religious.

The Conservative Party lost election because officially Sheer was pro-choice (that is what he said in Québec) but his caucus from the west is anti-abortion. The Conservative had no gain in Quebec. Why do you pretend the opposite? Anyway, this party will live a schism after the next election loss.

The Puriteen is a purely US movement where girls and some boys swear that they will have no-sex outside of a religious wedding. It is laughable that those movements are from US, the main pornography producer country and praising God for all and nothing. I still see Dumb with its upside-down bible in front of a church.