Hamas & Israel

[Halloween Mike]

If you reject all UN resolutions regarding the conflict, you agree with me that ee should also reject all UN resolutions regarding what we call pariah states? Including North Korea, Iran and so on.

US is a freaking joke. Their "resolutions" are not respected by the islamists either. We all heard about Resolution 1701 for Hezbollah and they don't care. UN has constantly shat on Israel since October 7 and done all they can to make them look like the bad guy why the few times they did anything about Hamas it always came late, with reluctance etc. They barely talk about the actual genocide that are happening in other countries like Sudan, but keep stomping on Israel because they wage a war that Gaza started.

And when it comes to North Korea, its not because of the "UN" we see them as what they are. Its because they are lead by a lunatic dictator with an iron grip who will kill his own minister for sleeping at a meeting or for being unable to go against... mother nature.

Kim Jong Un executes 30 officials over floods in North Korea that killed 4,000: report

It’s not the first time reports have emerged of Kim ordering officials to be taken out over a perceived failure.

nypost.com

 

[EagerBeaver]

There is 1 Jewish country on this planet, ONE. There is how many Arab Countries? Why does the "Palestinians" want a country on their own? Not only is there many Arab/Islamic countries around Israel but on top of it, they could simply live in Israel like any normal citizens if they learned to behave properly. The issue is death and "martyrdom" is teach to them since birth. They are raise on hate and with a way of life to think its normal to kill peoples if they think different than them.

Lets say Israel eradicate completely Hamas and the Jihadist. Then they decide to let more liberties to the normal citizens and allow free movements etc? Guess what will happen? More weapons from Iran by way of Egypt or other places. More terror attacks. This is a deradicalization process that i don't even think is possible to do really...

In 45 what happened when Berlin was cornered? Hitler ended himself along some of his close collaborator because he couldn't handle defeat and capture, and then the rest of Nazi Germany surrendered. What Hitler had planted in the head of peoples was only done in a small ammount of years and Germany was able to let go the hate. And now it is illegal to flow a Nazi flag there. They are ashame of their past. But that was all political, not religious, and thats the nuance.

Hamas is in the same condition as Nazi Germany. The towns are destroy, their numbers have been decimated. Their leader hide in an underground bunker (but more elaborated). They know the longer they wait til surrender, their civilians will suffer. But they seem to count on it. Their only way to "win anything" is by the public opinion of ignorant peoples. Young "activists" who knows nothing about politics and have been raised on ultra wokeness.

In their mind their religion justify it and its fine to "martyrdom". I even saw a video of a person who said they would strap their baby to a rocket if it could end peoples in Israel. Thats some crazy thinking.

Honestly i have no solution in mind for Gaza or Lebanon/Hezbollah. Because how do you deradicalize an entire nation of religious fanatics?

I agree- the only difference is religion rather than politics. For the Nazis, their politics was an ideology and a religion. There are believers and nonbelievers in both scenarios. The true believers are rewarded and the nonbelievers get punishment and death.

 

[EagerBeaver]

And when it comes to North Korea, its not because of the "UN" we see them as what they are. Its because they are lead by a lunatic dictator with an iron grip who will kill his own minister for sleeping at a meeting or for being unable to go against... mother nature.

You didn't mention that the minister who was executed for falling asleep at a meeting was killed with enormous anti-aircraft guns, in public. The reasoning was he would not fall asleep during that ritual. Those guns are quite loud and powerful and can shoot down jets, never mind humans. There is actually video of that execution on the Internet, but here is the news report on it:

North Korea executes officials with anti-aircraft gun in new purge – report | North Korea | The Guardian

Two senior regime officers reported to have been killed for posing a threat to leader Kim Jong-un

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Halloween Mike]

You didn't mention that the minister who was executed for falling asleep at a meeting was killed with enormous anti-aircraft guns, in public. The reasoning was he would not fall asleep during that ritual. Those guns are quite loud and powerful and can shoot down jets, never mind humans. There is actually video of that execution on the Internet, but here is the news report on it:

Yeah well i don't wanna see that personally ... But yeah i recalled it was that way. Must be gruesome to see but rather quick at least. Still its obviously a Kim Jong-Un demonstration of barbarism to keep peoples in line.

 

[EagerBeaver]

You can take my word that it was quite barbaric and sent a chilling message to the other ministers not to fall asleep in meetings.

But Hamas is no better sacrificing its own citizens by conducting military operations from hospitals and in or underneath the middle of densely populated neighborhoods, hiding in tunnels. They will tell you they are martyrs and patriots and Fin would likely agree; I would call them murdered innocent civilians killed by their own leaders.

 

[minutemenX]

Honestly i have no solution in mind for Gaza or Lebanon/Hezbollah. Because how do you deradicalize an entire nation of religious fanatics?

Check this Netanyahu interview from 1978! Not much has changed.
Interesting fact is that Palestinians had their country. It was Jordan with 60% of Palestinian population. They literary blew it up by starting an apprising, lost 20,000 men and at the end found their refuge in Lebanon. And there they were also instrumental in instigating civil war reducing a very economically prosperous, largely Christian French speaking country to ruins.

 

[poupsy]

Tell me Poopsy: Is orchestrate an Holaucost No 2 the right response to massacre ?? It is said eye for eye ...not 1000 eyes for on eye ........lolllllll

It is absurd to compare holocaust to what ‘s happening in gaza.
There is a deep moral twist to your comparaison of lining up civilians man women and children in a train to a gaz chamber and fighting terrorists embeded within civil population dressed as civilians hiddind in school and among children. Those same terrorist don’t giving a damn about their own population even worst using them as human shield.
Not even mentioning that many of those death are combatants if you want to call them that..
Civils do die in war. Ration combatant/civilians is one of the lowest in urban warfare
You moral compass is completly twisted and corrupt by Aljazeira and BBC

 

[silkandvelvet]

It is absurd to compare holocaust to what ‘s happening in gaza.
There is a deep moral twist to your comparaison of lining up civilians man women and children in a train to a gaz chamber and fighting terrorists embeded within civil population dressed as civilians hiddind in school and among children. Those same terrorist don’t giving a damn about their own population even worst using them as human shield.
Not even mentioning that many of those death are combatants if you want to call them that..
Civils do die in war. Ration combatant/civilians is one of the lowest in urban warfare
You moral compass is completly twisted and corrupt by Aljazeira and BBC

My dear friend you are totally lost.

I do not listen Alijazeira or BBC. I listen to Radio Canada which does give the right picture of the genocide of Gaza. Jews in Gaza. Victims of the holocaust become killer, monster in Gaza. You have not one trace of objectivity in this conflict. You are not worth furtherr response. Bye Now and forever

 

[silkandvelvet]

The vast majority of those deaths are the responsibility of Hamas, which operates in civilian areas in a way to maximize civilian casualties. They simply don't give a shit, and view the dead as "martyrs" who have made "God (Allah) great." That would include you too if you happened to be in the line of fire. Their game plan is to draw fire and maximize casualties, and let Israel suffer the political fallout.

Shame on you for appeasing these terrorists who would take off your head in 2 seconds and not give a rat's ass about it.

The solution is to get the terrorist and liberate the hostages. Now the jews are killing the population of Gaza but no do not free the hostages. The lack of intelligence is not a reason tho make a genocide.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The solution is to get the terrorist and liberate the hostages. Now the jews are killing the population of Gaza but no do not free the hostages. The lack of intelligence is not a reason tho make a genocide.

Hamas is genociding their own people, not the Israelis. This is also a factually incorrect statement since Arab Muslims serve in the IDF. They are volunteers, not conscripts.

 

[poupsy]

My dear friend you are totally lost.

I do not listen Alijazeira or BBC. I listen to Radio Canada which does give the right picture of the genocide of Gaza. Jews in Gaza. Victims of the holocaust become killer, monster in Gaza. You have not one trace of objectivity in this conflict. You are not worth furtherr response. Bye Now and forever

Great way to have a debate.
Radio Canada has the most shallow and dumbs political analysts of all medias combined
Be well

 

[Francoquart]

It is absurd to compare holocaust to what ‘s happening in gaza.
There is a deep moral twist to your comparaison of lining up civilians man women and children in a train to a gaz chamber and fighting terrorists embeded within civil population dressed as civilians hiddind in school and among children. Those same terrorist don’t giving a damn about their own population even worst using them as human shield.
Not even mentioning that many of those death are combatants if you want to call them that..
Civils do die in war. Ration combatant/civilians is one of the lowest in urban warfare
You moral compass is completly twisted and corrupt by Aljazeira and BBC

The comparison is not about the description of the events but the degree of criminality and disregard for human life. Killing innocent people under the pretext of fighting terrorism, is not so far from killing Innocent Jews because they are considered inferior by that Psycho. The morality stands and is Similar. What is more choking is that they are called terrorist, and we only see them killing Soldiers, while The IDF is killing kids, babies, and Civilians, and we only see them destroying tanks and military trucks, while the IDF is destroying houses, hospitals, and schools. It seems we need to redefine terrorism at this stage. We are witnessing a genocide, and still, we find people making excuses for it. After destroying everything in Gaza, now they are turning that Killing machine to the West Bank. They will slowly increase the dose of violence, claiming to kill more terrorist with each escalation. It is clear by now that for Netanyahu, the Palestinians need to be removed from all the land. It seems that for him and his supporters, Palestinians are genetically terrorist.

 

[poupsy]

The comparison is not about the description of the events but the degree of criminality and disregard for human life. Killing innocent people under the pretext of fighting terrorism, is not so far from killing Innocent Jews because they are considered inferior by that Psycho. The morality stands and is Similar. What is more choking is that they are called terrorist, and we only see them killing Soldiers, while The IDF is killing kids, babies, and Civilians, and we only see them destroying tanks and military trucks, while the IDF is destroying houses, hospitals, and schools. It seems we need to redefine terrorism at this stage. We are witnessing a genocide, and still, we find people making excuses for it. After destroying everything in Gaza, now they are turning that Killing machine to the West Bank. They will slowly increase the dose of violence, claiming to kill more terrorist with each escalation. It is clear by now that for Netanyahu, the Palestinians need to be removed from all the land. It seems that for him and his supporters, Palestinians are genetically terrorist.

I think again that using the trending word of genocide is so hypocritical
Are you anywere concerned by 500000 syrians civilians killed by Assad, 300000 yemenites, china 1 Million ougry that nonone knows what’s going on with them
Instead you focus on this tiny small conflit and you forget that since the beginning arab world would have absolutely no second thoughts if they could kill all the jews and comit an actual genocide
Many of pro tyranic supporters like you would love to see israel collapse
Hamas would comit another october 7 if they could and they say it. Hezbollah have the same intention. West bank if filled with terror activists . They have no intention or will to live along side israel. They never had. They refused all the offers they had since 1947
What in the world would you expect israel to do?? Spare potential civilians loss and risk loosing their own to make the world happy??
The Palestinian cause is a fake cause. I wish they can compromise accept a land thrive and forget their genocidal intention. Th western world wants that but unfortunately they don’t and they teach hate to their kids and now quatar and iran are instilating this lies in our youth kids mind.
Anyone that support those islamic extremism views should seriously reconsider

 

[Francoquart]

Many of pro tyranic supporters like you would love to see israel collapse

Why the accusation? It is usually a sign of a weak position when you get personal. The argument stands regardless of me.

Are you anywere concerned by 500000 syrians civilians killed by Assad, 300000 yemenites, china 1 Million ougry

Again a sign of a weak argument trying to shift the subject. Open a thread on these issues and witness me arguing on your side.
The real question is why are you so pro "innocent civilians" with these issues and yet dismissal of IDF's criminal actions.

What in the world would you expect israel to do

To implement the Oslo agreement and accept a 2 states solutions (a state, not a territory controlled by Israel), instead of planting new settlements in the West Bank, and carrying an air, sea, and land embargo on Gaza. You want Hamas weakened, take away their legitimacy by removing the cause with which they can attract followers. The Arab countries have issued in the past that if settled, they will be willing have regularize relations with Israel.

Anyone that support those islamic extremism views should seriously reconsider

How is giving the Palestinians their rights an Islamist extremist view? Are you saying that Palestinians have no right whatsoever and consider anyone calling for them an extremist? Because as far as I see it, Islamist Extremist and Netanyahu are close Cousins

Hamas would comit another october 7

Yeah, we differ on the perception of 7 October. It is by now clear that the narrative given at the starts was a package of lies. The IDF has killed many of those civilians under the "Hannibal Protocol", and those video we saw belongs to Isis in Syria, so repeating a lie does not make it real. I do not know at this stage if Hamas is bad or good, simply because the atrocities and devastations that the IDF has caused are so immense that everything these have done is shadowed.
The international court is pursuing Netanyahu and not Hamas. Every day civilians are dying and homes destroyed, can you say the same about Israeli civilians and homes?

 

[poupsy]

Why the accusation? It is usually a sign of a weak position when you get personal. The argument stands regardless of me.

Again a sign of a weak argument trying to shift the subject. Open a thread on these issues and witness me arguing on your side.
The real question is why are you so pro "innocent civilians" with these issues and yet dismissal of IDF's criminal actions.

To implement the Oslo agreement and accept a 2 states solutions (a state, not a territory controlled by Israel), instead of planting new settlements in the West Bank, and carrying an air, sea, and land embargo on Gaza. You want Hamas weakened, take away their legitimacy by removing the cause with which they can attract followers. The Arab countries have issued in the past that if settled, they will be willing have regularize relations with Israel.

How is giving the Palestinians their rights an Islamist extremist view? Are you saying that Palestinians have no right whatsoever and consider anyone calling for them an extremist? Because as far as I see it, Islamist Extremist and Netanyahu are close Cousins


Yeah, we differ on the perception of 7 October. It is by now clear that the narrative given at the starts was a package of lies. The IDF has killed many of those civilians under the "Hannibal Protocol", and those video we saw belongs to Isis in Syria, so repeating a lie does not make it real. I do not know at this stage if Hamas is bad or good, simply because the atrocities and devastations that the IDF has caused are so immense that everything these have done is shadowed.
The international court is pursuing Netanyahu and not Hamas. Every day civilians are dying and homes destroyed, can you say the same about Israeli civilians and homes?

i don’t underStand? you mean that oct 7 was a lie?

It hasn’t strike to anyone that the settlements (even if personally think it is an issue) are not the root cause of the conflict
Land swap was negociated and Palestinians got 97% of what they claimed..
why 2Miilions muslims can live and thrive in Israel but there should me No jews in Palestinian territory ??
The real goal it is about having it all and wipping out Israel
I am not in favor of any civilian casualties and I wish.. war is dirty and horrible. Hamas could have ended it since 300 days.. they don’t give a shit
They want you to see the horror

 

[EagerBeaver]

They want you to see the horror

Exactly, that is the Hamas playbook: conduct operations from highly concentrated civilians areas, and tunnels underneath them, maximize deaths of their own so called civilian shield "martyrs", and manipulate the world sheep (including Franocquart) who are bamboozled by media reports into thinking the IDF has committed atrocities. The playbook works on sheep, but hopefully enough people living in the real world and seeing what is happening will keep the sheep in a fenced in corral where they belong, and not roaming around and making noise.

 

[Francoquart]

i don’t underStand? you mean that oct 7 was a lie?

Netanyahu version yes was a complete distortion of events.

It hasn’t strike to anyone that the settlements (even if personally think it is an issue) are not the root cause of the conflict
Land swap was negociated and Palestinians got 97% of what they claimed..
why 2Miilions muslims can live and thrive in Israel but there should me No jews in Palestinian territory ??
The real goal it is about having it all and wipping out Israel

I do not get it. The Oslo agreement was signed by the Palestinian accepting a 2-state solution. The settlement on the west bank makes it impossible to achieve, so why are you removing it from the equation? The root cause of the problem is occupation, the settlements are just one of the many occupational tools. Plus, instead of stopping or shrinking, they kept growing. I mean the conflict has been raging since 48, and it has undergone many developments. Your version of events is still stuck at that date. The 2-state solution was endorsed by 90 percent of the Arabs, and only refused by the fanatics. Israel's part of the deal was to stop the settlements and stop the control of all Palestinians things. This never happened, which increased the appeal for resistance and violence.

You are siding with the IDF against whom exactly? If Hamas is, as claimed taking the people hostages, and does not care about the civilians, why is Israel not respecting any of the treaty that has been created since WW2 to protect civilians?

Again, we are not seeing Israeli school, hospitals, Homes, or any civilian casualties. We are only seeing these from the Palestinian side.

IDF has committed atrocities

So.... Killing civilians is just a nice thing to do? Destroying homes, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, does not classify as atrocities? We are sheep because we would like to see an end of the Violence and killings? We are sheep because it is so damn hard to watch kids being orphaned or killed? So being Human is sheep for you? Then sure, I am a sheep that would like to see these crimes stopped, and that madman put behind bars. Any psycho that justifies mass killings needs to be stopped.

 

[EagerBeaver]

So.... Killing civilians is just a nice thing to do?

Hamas thinks so. Their entire military strategy is based on it. They even call them "martyrs" and glorify civilians who die. It's wonderful for them because they can get people like you to believe it wasn't them that did it. They have no army. Just embedded terrorists.

 

[poupsy]

Exactly, that is the Hamas playbook: conduct operations from highly concentrated civilians areas, and tunnels underneath them, maximize deaths of their own so called civilian shield "martyrs", and manipulate the world sheep (including Franocquart) who are bamboozled by media reports into thinking the IDF has committed atrocities. The playbook works on sheep, but hopefully enough people living in the real world and seeing what is happening will keep the sheep in a fenced in corral where they belong, and not roaming around and making

Netanyahu version yes was a complete distortion of events.

I do not get it. The Oslo agreement was signed by the Palestinian accepting a 2-state solution. The settlement on the west bank makes it impossible to achieve, so why are you removing it from the equation? The root cause of the problem is occupation, the settlements are just one of the many occupational tools. Plus, instead of stopping or shrinking, they kept growing. I mean the conflict has been raging since 48, and it has undergone many developments. Your version of events is still stuck at that date. The 2-state solution was endorsed by 90 percent of the Arabs, and only refused by the fanatics. Israel's part of the deal was to stop the settlements and stop the control of all Palestinians things. This never happened, which increased the appeal for resistance and violence.

You are siding with the IDF against whom exactly? If Hamas is, as claimed taking the people hostages, and does not care about the civilians, why is Israel not respecting any of the treaty that has been created since WW2 to protect civilians?

Again, we are not seeing Israeli school, hospitals, Homes, or any civilian casualties. We are only seeing these from the Palestinian side.

So.... Killing civilians is just a nice thing to do? Destroying homes, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, does not classify as atrocities? We are sheep because we would like to see an end of the Violence and killings? We are sheep because it is so damn hard to watch kids being orphaned or killed? So being Human is sheep for you? Then sure, I am a sheep that would like to see these crimes stopped, and that madman put behind bars. Any psycho that justifies mass killings needs to be stopped.

I’m sorry but you are sounding like a oct 7 denial
This was the most barbaric atrocities comited on civilians in the modern era
Hamas even filmed it live and they are proud ofnit and they would repeat it if they could.

Name me one war where civilians weren’t hurt. Kids die in Ukraine also and hospitals are bombed. You got to be naive to thing that israel can wage a war without hurting and destroy infrastructures.
October 7 cannot happen. Any country will make sure it doesn’t happen

Every civilian infrastructure hospital schools And UN facilities are hideouts for hamas
It is a terrible thing but it this what hamas exactly wants.

 

[Francoquart]

I’m sorry but you are sounding like a oct 7 denial

Yes, I deny the version you are sticking to in order to feel ok with the current massacre. Not even one name was released regarding the footages, but they were video from Isis that were similar.
October 7 was the result of the miserable life Palestinians were leading because of the occupation. Israel HAS NO RIGHT TO CLAIM self defense. They are the occupiers, the stronger, and the richer. They have razed Gaza to the ground, committed genocide, all because the people they are occupying have had enough and decided to do something to change reality. The proof is that they are still fighting regardless of the extremely heavy price they are paying.
I seriously hope that you see this issue in a more humane perspective. Palestinians do belong to the human race, they are not insects or microbes. They also would like to be free, have hope for the future, have security like us. Take that away, and the result will be resistance. Even if it was self defense, massacring the population and destroying all civilian structures are still considered war crimes, but as said before, they are not in self defense, like in 1948. They are the aggressors now.