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rumpleforeskiin

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Most of this thread is a tempest in a tea-pot.
Eleganza raising the rate on their 2 most popular girls has had , if anything, a positve effect on the market.
The rest of Eleganza`s girls have stayed at their old rates....all the other agencies are maintaining their rates....and several have dropped their rates like GG has (temporarily or otherwise).
Last but certainly not least, a lovely and popular indy has entered the scene at below agency rates.
I'd say that it, so far, has had no effect on the market and I have no idea how it will affect the future market. I will say, however, that the mere fact that one agency operator has openly stated that he wants to put Montreal and Toronto on a level playing field is troubling at best.


You call them the sweetest and we call them the remaining suckers. Most men who are willing to shell out 240$ for an escort are not that smart and not that educated. Willing to pay 240$+ for an SP has nothing to do with intelligence, manners or education.
Bingo. Absolutely. Nailed it. I've been hobbying long enough to know that there is absolutely no correlation, none, zilch, nada between price and value in the SP trade. The two best SPs in Montreal, by popular vote right here, are still working at 180$ and 160$. What more proof is needed?

And, as well, there is no correlation whatsoever between what a client is willing to spend and his quality as a client. I've even heard it said, by providers, that some guys expect certain excessive liberties because they are paying more.
 

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Hello all,

OK, you are putting the qualities of a human, who are quantifiable, in the category "sentimentality".

No. I would never put qualities like beauty, presence, charm, allure, grace, style or any such elements in the category of quantifiable. They are all subjective, emotional, sentimental reactions. If they are quantifiable at all it is because we are talking about prices for sexual services and ladies who are stronger in those qualities are more desired, thus they earn more $.

No, it doesn't mean AT ALL, that guys or gentlemen who don't pay more are not ALL as nice as the others who do.

I am sorry you understood that, I recognized easily that could be interpreted like that, but I am confirming you that's not what I meant. Don't make the error to make this conclusion.

Merci/Gracias. This clarification will make everyone feel a bit better about the original statement. I think we did understand what you meant to say, but an explanation clears up any mistaken offenses.

The worst encounters I add in my life of escort, were the time I was in an agency, long time ago, because I was much more easy to meet: by the way of booking AND the level of donation, I can state that, because when I began as an Indy, the level of donation was identical, and I then too, had people who want to exagerate on me.
I don't know how it works, but that's a fact that people who are paying more (and just a bit more, not a 700$/2hours: I can just talk for my own experience) are a different group of people, except few exceptions.

Yes, raising the level of donation will help discourage the more unseemly clients. But, though dealing only with clients who can afford more only helps. Having more money may indicate success and imply more maturity, but I doubt that people with more money have much less of the psychological quirks/issues against the opposite sex. These issues don't seem to be widely different among earning levels...though obviously poverty creates more general anxiety.

Merlot, First, please stop to talk about "life matching" : that's not what we are doing all together here, and that's not what I was talking about at all.

When you keep referring to so many subjective qualities that create emotional/arousal reactions in men, it seems like you are attempting to use the qualities of real girlfriend-boyfriend attractions beyond the real business relationship to justify these extra costs. It looks like you are blending real match relationships with business. If you were simply saying that an escort who provides better services, and is also beautiful, charming, intelligent, etc, and so she deserves more you wouldn't give this impression of confusing business with a relationship that doesn't require direct payment for services...ie...a real attraction match. In this thread you keep talking about the subjective qualities, and so little about quantifiable services. That's where the impression comes from.

I understand perfectly that you are living negative emotions as hobbiest about the rising of the rates, like others do. I was just asking to understand your points of view, plus I stated some comments about my side of my experience, that's it.

And I repeat, this is all legitimate your questions, I don't deny your rights to do it.

I understand totally your point of view of shoppers, to have "the best for the less", I am like that too, when I am buying shoes or something else, I am trying to have it on sales, and I am happy to succeed to this, of course.

No, rejection of a price is not about emotions, it's about rejecting the higher rate for services and the relative cost-value.

You are a very sensitive and feeling person with a lot of great qualities. I don't even like talking about price in relation to meeting you or the other escorts, because doing so cheapens the human experience. But this hobby is about business, the only avenue most of us would ever get to meet beautiful women so much, so we must keep it about business to avoid emotional complications that could lead either side to confuse the purpose or exploit the other party.

Most of this thread is a tempest in a tea-pot.
Eleganza raising the rate on their 2 most popular girls has had , if anything, a positve effect on the market.

Eleganza has gotten more print, but it's not about them specifically, it's about a trend including Asservissante, Angels, Nadyas and more, whatever their rationale for having higher rates may be.

...the mere fact that one agency operator has openly stated that he wants to put Montreal and Toronto on a level playing field is troubling at best.

That's why John of Eleganza deserves more notice than the rest. When he made a point of promoting his agency that way he put the target on his own back, even if we know others also would love to raise prices to Toronto rates. John put it in the faces of hobbyists so he earned direct response.

Separately, I don't agree with the premise that GNDs cannot be stars. I wouldn't say Elena or Jasmine are absolutely stunning model-esque women. I consider Elena an example of a very lovely and incredibly charming GND, and she is DEFINITELY a STAR of the first order...just for one example. Who can deny the powerful allure of Jasmine's looks and attitude.

When it comes to looks, I've met some fabulously beautiful women in this hobby, but the one who absolutely floored me with her looks wasn't that type. She was the most adorable super cutie GND I've ever been with and in our meeting she showed all the qualities of a "Star", in my view right up there with anyone. Don't ask...she doesn't work any more.

Cheers,

Merlot
 

rumpleforeskiin

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That's why John of Eleganza deserves more notice than the rest. When he made a point of promoting his agency that way he put the target on his own back, even if we know others also would love to raise prices to Toronto rates. John put it in the faces of hobbyists so he earned direct response.
That's where we part company, Merlot. Personally, I think he put a target on his own head.
Separately, I don't agree with the premise that GNDs cannot be stars. I wouldn't say Elena or Jasmine are absolutely stunning model-esque women. I consider Elena an example of a very lovely and incredibly charming GND, and she is DEFINITELY a STAR of the first order
Bingo.
 

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One last thing I thought, and who is making a big difference on the opinion shared in this thread.

There are basically 2 major different fields of escorts and hobbiests, and both are legitimate views.


-The "intimate services at the room" matter much more than everything else (generally, donation for this kind of adult entertaining is lower)

-The all entire companionship matter (generally, donation for this kind of adult entertaining is higher)

(and exist some shade of grey, of course, between both options)


That's clear that, depending of which side of view you do have, you will have the opinion about if a lady/girl deserve more or not.


To each their own views, and I respect that. This is not because some is not seeing it the same way as me I will put them down.
My field is the second, it tainted my point of view clearly.

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Since when you buddies with subban? I want tics for the Leafs/habs this winter bro.... cant believe you been holding out on me like that :nono:
 

rumpleforeskiin

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7 to 7.75 for her cute/sweet GND facial look(cute/sweet but definitely GND for my facial tastes
Why would you even consider refusing a 7 to 7.75? That's borderline beautiful?

Considering that 5 (halfway to 10) is average looking, I can't see any justification for refusing anything above a 4.

In a nutshell....my 9 can sometimes be someone else's 7or 8(and vice versa).
Especially when some guys use wildly inflated benchmarks. I guess that's why I don't need no stinkin' numbers.
 

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I can't see any justification for refusing anything above a 4.

Maybe cause some of us can still have sex with 6/10 young girls without paying... Maybe cause at 30/35yo, you see SP to still have sex with 8+/10 young girls you were able to pick up when you were 20's (when you had the time and were more attractive)...

Book her and come back with your opinion Rumple, it will be better than judging the way the other rate a girl you haven't even seen...
 

rumpleforeskiin

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Book her and come back with your opinion Rumple, it will be better than judging the way the other rate a girl you haven't even seen...
I would but I'm not foolish enough to spend that kind of dough when I'm having a fabulous time with a number of beautiful, intelligent, charming and incredibly sexual young women at 2/3 to 3/4 the cost.

And you fail to understand my point. If a girl is, in your opinion, average looking, GND...you don't give her a 7.5. You give her a 5; 5 is average.

Maybe cause at 30/35yo, you see SP to still have sex with 8+/10 young girls you were able to pick up when you were 20's
Quite possibly. Then when you get a little older and a whole lot wiser, you realize that a 6-7 who has a lot more experience in bed and has charm and personality, beats an 8-9 every day of the weak. (BTW, none of the top vote getters in the GFE of the Year poll is any higher than a 7. Guess merb has some smart posters.)
 

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I understand your decision not to book her at this price, and I think you're right. But it's hard to have an exchange about Summer's facial look with someone who didn't see her. Maybe aren't you in the good thread if you want to talk about the way we should or shouldn't rate SP.
 

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Quite possibly. Then when you get a little older and a whole lot wiser, you realize that a 6-7 who has a lot more experience in bed and has charm and personality, beats an 8-9 every day of the weak. (BTW, none of the top vote getters in the GFE of the Year poll is any higher than a 7. Guess merb has some smart posters.)

Not a question of wisdom, Rumple. Just a question of need depending your age. Who could say it's wiser to see such or such girl ?

It's wise to follow our needs, that's what you and I are doing.

6 or 7/10 girls are not interessing me for the moment, I'm sure that when I will be 50's, I will be more interessed by girls who just make me forget I'm too old to be attractive for her...
 

rumpleforeskiin

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I understand your decision not to book her at this price, and I think you're right. But it's hard to have an exchange about Summer's facial look with someone who didn't see her. Maybe aren't you in the good thread if you want to talk about the way we should or shouldn't rate SP.
Again, you fail to understand my point. I'm not talking about Summer, per se, but in the total arbitrary way in which some guys rate looks. And, yes, we're off topic.

Not a question of wisdom, Rumple. Just a question of need depending your age. Who could say it's wiser to see such or such girl ?

6 or 7/10 girls are not interessing me for the moment, I'm sure that when I will be 50's, I will be more interessed by girls who just make me forget I'm too old to be attractive for her...
Actually, it is a question of wisdom and of experience. Someday when, perhaps, you realize that your strongest sexual organ is your brain, you might realize that there's a whole lot more to sex than a pretty sex and six seconds of ejaculation. And should you reach that point, you will have a lot more fun in bed than you're having now.
 

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Actually, it is a question of wisdom and of experience. Someday when, perhaps, you realize that your strongest sexual organ is your brain, you might realize that there's a whole lot more to sex than a pretty sex and six seconds of ejaculation. And should you reach that point, you will have a lot more fun in bed than you're having now.

Well that's something you already know at 35yo lol

But my brain is still more exciting by a 8.5/10 20yo girl, inexperimented, charming, bubbly and intelligent.

Once again Rumple, who are you to decide what is wise or not in the choice of a SP ? It's not a question of wisdom, just a question of need. It's wise to follow our needs and that's what I do.

Moreover, you talk like if we had to make a choice between look and service/attitude. I'm not agree, I'm looking for girls who are cute, charming, intelligent and provide a great service/attitude. A 8.5/10 girl with no brain is like an intelligent 5/10 girl for me = not what I'm looking for.
 

rumpleforeskiin

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please tell us something informative about Summer will u?
You're right, EE, we have veered way off topic. I can only tell you two things about Summer. 1) She's priced at 33-50% more than I'm willing to pay for anyone and 2) She has fake boobs. That for me is a 100% deal breaker.

As for reviews, I have written more than my share over the last 10 years.
 

man77777

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Back to topic : Summer only works 1day this week (and Keli only 2days)... Maybe these new rates are not that successful...

MA, what did Summer tell you about her new rate when you recently saw her ?
 

Maria Divina

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One of my buddies already did Saturday night on Ste-Catherine & Crescent. Guess which one he is? :lol:

http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/condomheadobama.jpg


Oh! boy! hahaha

Doc Holliday, you gave me my first laugh of this morning, the cats were even have a look at me...

I knew that were kind of stretch possibility for this little article, but not at that point!

hahaha

Thanks

:)

Just want to add an image I just get:

All the posters again the rising, go in the street of Montreal, wearing it.

You give me a real bad mental image Doc, you are a really bad boy!

:nod: ... :lol:
 
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She worked 3days last week and Keli used to work 5days/week.
 
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