Higher Summer Season Rates!!!
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To Picky Friendly Guy:
When I used : "care", in "You don't care who you are meeting at the end"
that don't have the same meaning for me or is a synonym of : to love or to like.
English is not my first language, maybe that was not the proper verb to use in my sentence.
The sentence in French, with the idea I wanted to express could be:
" Finalement, vous vous en foutez de qui vous rencontrez à la fin, l'important c'est le prix que vous payez, et cela me donne sûrement à moi et aux autres femmes qui escortent et qui lisent ce que vous écrivez, matière à réflexion."
In French now, my point:
Le point que je voulais dire, c'est qu'il semblerait qu'ici, on ait pu lire que peu importe la chaleur, la personnalité, l'attitude, la présence, "la cochonceté" d'une femme et même sa beauté, tant qu'elle ne charge pas cher, c'est une super de bonne fille, puis elle mérite d'être considérée comme valable pour partager des rencontres.
À ce que je peux lire dans ce fil de discussion:
Du moment qu'une femme veut un peu plus de $, elle devient une femme à éviter, avec des défauts, que vous n'avez sûrement pas remarquer lorsque vous écriviez ces revues ou qui vous empêchait pas de la rencontrer auparavant. Si la fille est GND, mais est très populaire, elle doit bien avoir beaucoup d'autres qualités qui font qu'elle est populaire non?
C'est juste cela mon point.
Enfin, rien de compliqué.
Bonne fin de semaine à tous!
xx
When I used : "care", in "You don't care who you are meeting at the end"
that don't have the same meaning for me or is a synonym of : to love or to like.
English is not my first language, maybe that was not the proper verb to use in my sentence.
The sentence in French, with the idea I wanted to express could be:
" Finalement, vous vous en foutez de qui vous rencontrez à la fin, l'important c'est le prix que vous payez, et cela me donne sûrement à moi et aux autres femmes qui escortent et qui lisent ce que vous écrivez, matière à réflexion."
In French now, my point:
Le point que je voulais dire, c'est qu'il semblerait qu'ici, on ait pu lire que peu importe la chaleur, la personnalité, l'attitude, la présence, "la cochonceté" d'une femme et même sa beauté, tant qu'elle ne charge pas cher, c'est une super de bonne fille, puis elle mérite d'être considérée comme valable pour partager des rencontres.
À ce que je peux lire dans ce fil de discussion:
Du moment qu'une femme veut un peu plus de $, elle devient une femme à éviter, avec des défauts, que vous n'avez sûrement pas remarquer lorsque vous écriviez ces revues ou qui vous empêchait pas de la rencontrer auparavant. Si la fille est GND, mais est très populaire, elle doit bien avoir beaucoup d'autres qualités qui font qu'elle est populaire non?
C'est juste cela mon point.
Enfin, rien de compliqué.
Bonne fin de semaine à tous!
xx
A long history of lateness
I called them a lot in 2006 and 2007 and things were not so bad then. A memorable episode was when I called John to find out why Larissa was almost 30 minutes late and I hadn't been notified. John actually scoffed and said that there was no problem, 30 minutes plus was par for the course and why was I calling for such a trifle?
I met Kaii (no longer on the Eleganza roster) this past October (this was my first dealing with Eleganza since 2008). After waiting over 45 minutes without notification, I called Eleganza and they told me she was "close". She showed up a few minutes after. I made a point of putting this "Delta 123 style" at the beginning of my review of Kaii, hoping John would take note.
In February I had pre-booked Keli. After waiting 30 minutes I called and John said he was "just about to call me" :lol:. I cancelled the booking and called Asservissante to the rescue. Enough is enough...
Many agencies and independent escorts advertising here arrive on time or at least notify clients when problems arise.
On the price issue, I do not mind paying a little more for an indie, mostly because they have the freedom to stick around if they feel good and comfortable with you after the clock runs out, which agency girls cannot do.
Never say never, but I am not at all inclined to pay these new higher agency rates. I also wonder how Asservissante is faring with their new rates: I am now only calling them when my other plans fall through precisely because of this.
I know your question was for someone else, but I have also experienced "beyond acceptable" lateness with Eleganza.
I called them a lot in 2006 and 2007 and things were not so bad then. A memorable episode was when I called John to find out why Larissa was almost 30 minutes late and I hadn't been notified. John actually scoffed and said that there was no problem, 30 minutes plus was par for the course and why was I calling for such a trifle?
I met Kaii (no longer on the Eleganza roster) this past October (this was my first dealing with Eleganza since 2008). After waiting over 45 minutes without notification, I called Eleganza and they told me she was "close". She showed up a few minutes after. I made a point of putting this "Delta 123 style" at the beginning of my review of Kaii, hoping John would take note.
In February I had pre-booked Keli. After waiting 30 minutes I called and John said he was "just about to call me" :lol:. I cancelled the booking and called Asservissante to the rescue. Enough is enough...
Many agencies and independent escorts advertising here arrive on time or at least notify clients when problems arise.
On the price issue, I do not mind paying a little more for an indie, mostly because they have the freedom to stick around if they feel good and comfortable with you after the clock runs out, which agency girls cannot do.
Never say never, but I am not at all inclined to pay these new higher agency rates. I also wonder how Asservissante is faring with their new rates: I am now only calling them when my other plans fall through precisely because of this.
Hello Maria,
I hope this translation is accurate. Pardon me if it is not. I also need to write in English because my French is very inadequate.
Your response seems too emotional and dramatic. Of course by raising rates, nothing has changed about the woman except the cost of being with her. But the extra cost is significant for clients who want to see good escorts for longer meetings or have more meetings over a number of days. The small extra cost itself, that you seem to say causes the client to devalue the same lady he valued very much, prevents any client limiting himself to a strict budget amount from seeing the escort as much as he wants. From the point of view of this client it's the escorts raise in rates that prevents him from seeing her so much or makes him go elsewhere.
It's not just a matter of clients on a budget either. A tall and very well known mutual acquaintance of ours, who has plenty of money, still balks at spending amounts he thinks are too much. Clients with more than enough money are often still very value conscious. That's why they do well, because they focus on real value versus cost.
I think your perspective has too much sentimentality. No matter how wonderful an escort might be, seeing her starts with the fact that this is a business relationship, not a sentimental relationship. Yes, as humans we can't avoid having emotions about someone, but if either side gets too sentimental/emotional over seeing the other then the business relationship starts to disappear and the personal connection problems both sides probably got into escorting to avoid again becomes a real problem. Sentimentality is not only very costly, but also creates complications, sometimes leading to dangers like stalking, emotional and physical abuse, and in a few cases there are the tragedies already cited in this thread.
You have been a great escort to meet, and I thank you for the great success of those wonderful meetings. But when you imply only "a little more" should not change how the client looks at the escort I'm sure the question for most clients is where is the limit of price ranges you think is too much??? I've met fabulous escorts who charged $200 per hour. Later they went up to as much as $350-400 an hour. Since we agree nothing has changed about the escort's quality does that mean the price is always irrelevant. As the price goes up it's always just "a little more" added until the client looks back and realizes it's now a lot more.
I still feel the same with some sentimentality and emotions about the great escorts I have met. But the relationship was not about keeping faith between boyfriend and girlfriend. It's business in the end. The emotionalism must be looked at with business sense. This has no connection to you, but some of the worst and most notorious users and abusers of clients were and are those escorts who exploited sentimentality and emotionalism.
In my view, the client who keeps his business sense and moves on when he feels the price is beyond reasonable market standards is a good client because he is avoiding the risks of sentimentality and emotionalism that can be very risky for both parties in money costs and emotional consequences.
Your (Maria's) view that "a little more" does not change anything about the escort is 100% true. Higher prices do not change "how hot, personality, attitude, presence, "the cochonceté" a woman and even her beauty" is. But higher prices do change affordability and the amount of time many clients can share with her. Maria, by raising prices it's the escort or agency that is forcing the client to reconsider how much they value their time with her, and only a wealthy or irrational client will avoid considering the real value in any rise in price.
To those escorts who can keep clients regardless of price hikes, I say BRAVO! To clients who keep their focus on real value and good sense, I say BRAVO and BRAVO again.
:thumb:!!! The worst thing to consider in this business is sentimentality.
Not necessarily about John (again), but I know from other clients and escorts that there are sometimes some games in these delays. The agent wants to insure more profits and keep the higher paying clients happy, so meeting time is extended or the original time estimates of availability are intentional fibbed to keep the next client interested. Yes, traffic and other issues are common, but not always the case.
If the above scenario is not the case, then all the agent has to do is be more realistic, honest, and value his own integrity regardless of profits. If his or her word is no good then neither is the agency. Scenarios like the one Sapman describes are why Eleganza may have loyal fans, the ones catered too, but never finishes first in polls because of the gross cavalier attitude described above.
Cheers,
Merlot
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I have often rejoiced when a popular escort goes Indy because it often means that I will get a chance to see her. I am not really convinced by Maria's assertion that it will be harder. I only managed to see girls like Annabelle@Celine's and Karyna@Eleganza after they became independent. And it was as easy as sending an e-mail a few weeks before the date. Compare that to trying to pre-book with an agency the Monday before your appointment only to find out she is booked solid.
With regards to Agency vs Independent safety there are problems on both sides. An indy I used to frequent told me that a repeat client assaulted her and threw her out of the room. So the element of risk is there even when she meets in a nicer hotel with someone she met several times before. In addition, being successful as an indy is not just about looks and service - we have seen women on this board who are well reviewed but as indies cannot honor their appointments or show up on time, or even take the time to call and explain why they will be a no-show so the gentleman can make other plans in time. And they eventually end up back at the agency.
Finally, when I see a $40-60 increase on an agency girl I want to see, instead of lamenting the extra money I would pay, I look at the indy alternatives. For three hours at $800 or 6 hours at $1300 the indie would be at $216-266 per hour, compared to $240 for the agency girl. So its not just a matter of saying any girl would do for me or that because I am concerned about value I am not a respectful gentleman.
With regards to Agency vs Independent safety there are problems on both sides. An indy I used to frequent told me that a repeat client assaulted her and threw her out of the room. So the element of risk is there even when she meets in a nicer hotel with someone she met several times before. In addition, being successful as an indy is not just about looks and service - we have seen women on this board who are well reviewed but as indies cannot honor their appointments or show up on time, or even take the time to call and explain why they will be a no-show so the gentleman can make other plans in time. And they eventually end up back at the agency.
Finally, when I see a $40-60 increase on an agency girl I want to see, instead of lamenting the extra money I would pay, I look at the indy alternatives. For three hours at $800 or 6 hours at $1300 the indie would be at $216-266 per hour, compared to $240 for the agency girl. So its not just a matter of saying any girl would do for me or that because I am concerned about value I am not a respectful gentleman.
Very well said, Merlot. And for me you hit the nail on the head with the following two statements...
For me, this issue is all about value. In my case, as I am in my late 40's (and fast approaching 50), I'm probably at my top earning potential, which is probably the case for many if not most of the members of this board. I could probably afford to pay $240/ hour, but at that rate I don't think that I'm getting good value when I see that the past winners of the best GFE polls ( ex: Molly @ Chloe's, Naomie @ MSC, etc... ) are still in the $160- $200 range. Although I haven't seen either Summer or Keli, I can't believe a session with them is any better than what I would experience with Molly or Naomie (both of whom I've seen), so why would I pay more for them?
For me, this issue is all about value. In my case, as I am in my late 40's (and fast approaching 50), I'm probably at my top earning potential, which is probably the case for many if not most of the members of this board. I could probably afford to pay $240/ hour, but at that rate I don't think that I'm getting good value when I see that the past winners of the best GFE polls ( ex: Molly @ Chloe's, Naomie @ MSC, etc... ) are still in the $160- $200 range. Although I haven't seen either Summer or Keli, I can't believe a session with them is any better than what I would experience with Molly or Naomie (both of whom I've seen), so why would I pay more for them?
Tony, I believe this may have actually been Sexy Lexi, and she said it was "the Dollarama of escort review boards".I guess Karma was right... "merb?... oh you mean the dollar store"
When reading you, people should not forget that you repeatedly trumpeted somewhere else that you had drawn a line in the sand @ $300 for 2 hours,
.I'll try not to take this personally
I know Maria Divina to be a kind soul and a delightful person to spend some time with. I am certainly hoping she did not realize how many true gentlemen she took an unintentional swipe at with those remarks. I think of myself as a gentleman, yet a part of my decision when choosing my "companion of the night" is price, all else being equal.
I have had limited experience with higher dollar escorts (250+/hour). While the very few I met were all good experiences, in none of the cases were they any "better" than the best girls available at standard agency rates.
Well, I am still digesting this. And it was written quite a few days ago....First, you will lose a lots of bargainer hunters, that's clear.
...Second, those gentlemen who remains are generally the sweetest people with the best disposition towards the ladies. They don't have even an once of mysoginous attitude at all. I don't know why it is like that, but it is like that.
So, my point of view, if those ladies requier an upper donations, I think this is best for them, at the end, not only for the level of donation, but for the quality of life they are gaining doing so.
Maybe it is the last consideration for a lots of people, the quality of life, but for some, it is.
I know Maria Divina to be a kind soul and a delightful person to spend some time with. I am certainly hoping she did not realize how many true gentlemen she took an unintentional swipe at with those remarks. I think of myself as a gentleman, yet a part of my decision when choosing my "companion of the night" is price, all else being equal.
I have had limited experience with higher dollar escorts (250+/hour). While the very few I met were all good experiences, in none of the cases were they any "better" than the best girls available at standard agency rates.
Tony...people should not forget that you repeatedly trumpeted somewhere else that you had drawn a line in the sand @ $300 for 2 hours,
Actually, this was regarding bargaining approaches to him from DT and Dee...and only for rimming. :thumb:
K
Kansas Frank
Clients with more than enough money are often still very value conscious. That's why they do well, because they focus on real value versus cost.
To those escorts who can keep clients regardless of price hikes, I say BRAVO! To clients who keep their focus on real value and good sense, I say BRAVO and BRAVO again.
Cheers,
Merlot
Excellent and accurate observation. :thumb: Since the Great Global Recession of 2008 and the slow meltdown of the Euro Zone, everyone has become value conscious and living withing his/her means.
I keep checking Expedia for hotel/flight package to Montreal, hoping the costs will fall enough for me to see at least six SP's when I'm in Montreal. I may have to wait for Old Man Winter to arrive.
Merlot: I am not quite sure this translation is accurate, I am not that good in English to understand all the little nuance, I am sorry, I am not the best person to confirm if the translation is accurate.
I might think not, because, you have understood that my writings are too much sentimental and dramatic, because, I wanted to point exactly nothing sentimental... I am just trying to understand the point of view of you guys, if I am wrong, please, you are more than welcome to say: "No Maria, this is not what I want/we want to mean... I/We just want to mean....
Maybe I wrote it too fast without too much re-read after, I have certainly not write correctly if I can't be understood correctly.
Sapman: Pour l'amour du bon Dieu, what have you understood of my writings?
I might think not, because, you have understood that my writings are too much sentimental and dramatic, because, I wanted to point exactly nothing sentimental... I am just trying to understand the point of view of you guys, if I am wrong, please, you are more than welcome to say: "No Maria, this is not what I want/we want to mean... I/We just want to mean....
Maybe I wrote it too fast without too much re-read after, I have certainly not write correctly if I can't be understood correctly.
Sapman: Pour l'amour du bon Dieu, what have you understood of my writings?
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Maria, ta boite de PM est pleine et je ne peux te répondre.
En bref j'ai trouvé ça déplacé de dépeindre tous ceux qui recherchent à balancer leur "budget" avec les escortes des "bargain hunters". Et d'enchainer avec le fait que tous ceux qui n'ont pas de problèmes avec les prix plus élevés sont automatiquement les meilleurs gentilshommes. Mettons que dans les deux cas ça ratisse pas mal large. Ça fait aussi élitiste.
Je m'excuse d'être si cru, mais quand je le lis, c'est ce que je comprends. Je te sais une personne sensible et de qualité tout de même, mais ce texte fait plus que me chicoter...
Toutes les filles avec qui j'ai pu en parler (et pas qu'au Canada) m'ont confirmé que plus elles augmentaient leurs prix, moins elles avaient de problèmes avec leurs clients. C'est dur à admettre sociologiquement, mais ça semble être du vécu...
Sapman:
That's not what I wrote. Don't try to understand something it is not in my writings.
If I am stating : Those who are following the girls who are raising, are part of the "la crème" of the gentlemen a girl/lady is meeting (attitude and treatment to the ladies they are meeting), that doesn't mean that someone who is not following is not someone nice to meet or a gentlemen, or having great habits when they are meeting.
Don't make a mistake to believe what you were understanding, please. That's not what I mean.
If you want me to put it straight for your own case, yes, we had a great time, you are putting a lots of effort to make our tête-à-tête unique (but it seems that you are always a sweetheart like that for the ladies), your one of a kind. (but I am talking of some years back, hope you are the same funtastic person to meet presently.... ...)
I also stated, in this thread, this is totally legitimate to be concerned about the level of the donation, when you have a budget strict to this. No matter if you are rich or not: if you have a budget in mind, if a girl raise her donation, you won't meet her anymore, because, on the long run and on an entire year, it is a lot. I have all understood that. I can understand too some kind of frustration to let go someone you liked so much to meet because she is now out of the range of your budget. (but, I understood that was not the case: whoever some of you are meeting, that doesn't bother really, it looks like that.)
My point was then, and don't get me wrong on this one: If a girl is raising her donation, she is still the same girl you appreciated a lot before, that's it.
And my question is:
If she is soooo well appreciated, why won't she deserve it? If she is special, why she doesn't deserve more? And a lots have repeated, no, no, she is just quite ordinary, no special at all, but why is she sooo booked then? I feel some kind of contradiction here.
I appreciate some gentlemen's inputs and I am now more understanding some points of view.
Thank you to Rollingstone specially, and Man77777 (they helped me to understand)
Hope now it is more clear, I did not attack any of you, or wanted to.
I am just trying to discuss a topic with you, and understand. I am not implicated personally in this, I am just curious to understand something:
How in the world in some thoughts of yours, all the girls/ladies are equate in there meetings/attitude/enthousiasm/cochonceté, and so, the level of the donation is just what is partaking your choice, even if you have the financial possibility?
ps: Oh! and I want to add: The clientele of agency and Indy is not the same, as pointed too by Rollingstone, when the donation is a bit higher or more.
I lost almost all my particular friends when I did a little raising of my donation, and I find new ones.
When I used "bargain hunter" it is because it is reflecting a reality: the most "quality" for the cheapest possible.
All reviews boards (for restaurants, for anything else in fact) display this reality. And this is legitimate (oh! yes, I am a good shopper too!!! believe me!!!), but, at the end, I think to let people believe that all the girls are all equate, and a girl asking for a higher donation is just a kind of abusive, it is too much. No, the girls and the ladies are not giving all the same adult entertaining, stop to spread this false idea. People might think that you are just trying to keep the level of donation the lower possible... but, if some of you are really , but really believing than, by example, to meet Victoria Jolie or Lily Lombard is the same thing to meet any agency girl, I think that's your privilege to thing what you want, but that's not the reality.
Bon, I have to go, will come later...
Ciao ciao xx xx xx
That's not what I wrote. Don't try to understand something it is not in my writings.
If I am stating : Those who are following the girls who are raising, are part of the "la crème" of the gentlemen a girl/lady is meeting (attitude and treatment to the ladies they are meeting), that doesn't mean that someone who is not following is not someone nice to meet or a gentlemen, or having great habits when they are meeting.
Don't make a mistake to believe what you were understanding, please. That's not what I mean.
If you want me to put it straight for your own case, yes, we had a great time, you are putting a lots of effort to make our tête-à-tête unique (but it seems that you are always a sweetheart like that for the ladies), your one of a kind. (but I am talking of some years back, hope you are the same funtastic person to meet presently....
...)I also stated, in this thread, this is totally legitimate to be concerned about the level of the donation, when you have a budget strict to this. No matter if you are rich or not: if you have a budget in mind, if a girl raise her donation, you won't meet her anymore, because, on the long run and on an entire year, it is a lot. I have all understood that. I can understand too some kind of frustration to let go someone you liked so much to meet because she is now out of the range of your budget. (but, I understood that was not the case: whoever some of you are meeting, that doesn't bother really, it looks like that.)
My point was then, and don't get me wrong on this one: If a girl is raising her donation, she is still the same girl you appreciated a lot before, that's it.
And my question is:
If she is soooo well appreciated, why won't she deserve it? If she is special, why she doesn't deserve more? And a lots have repeated, no, no, she is just quite ordinary, no special at all, but why is she sooo booked then? I feel some kind of contradiction here.
I appreciate some gentlemen's inputs and I am now more understanding some points of view.
Thank you to Rollingstone specially, and Man77777 (they helped me to understand)
Hope now it is more clear, I did not attack any of you, or wanted to.
I am just trying to discuss a topic with you, and understand. I am not implicated personally in this, I am just curious to understand something:
How in the world in some thoughts of yours, all the girls/ladies are equate in there meetings/attitude/enthousiasm/cochonceté, and so, the level of the donation is just what is partaking your choice, even if you have the financial possibility?
ps: Oh! and I want to add: The clientele of agency and Indy is not the same, as pointed too by Rollingstone, when the donation is a bit higher or more.
I lost almost all my particular friends when I did a little raising of my donation, and I find new ones.
When I used "bargain hunter" it is because it is reflecting a reality: the most "quality" for the cheapest possible.
All reviews boards (for restaurants, for anything else in fact) display this reality. And this is legitimate (oh! yes, I am a good shopper too!!! believe me!!!), but, at the end, I think to let people believe that all the girls are all equate, and a girl asking for a higher donation is just a kind of abusive, it is too much. No, the girls and the ladies are not giving all the same adult entertaining, stop to spread this false idea. People might think that you are just trying to keep the level of donation the lower possible... but, if some of you are really , but really believing than, by example, to meet Victoria Jolie or Lily Lombard is the same thing to meet any agency girl, I think that's your privilege to thing what you want, but that's not the reality.
Bon, I have to go, will come later...
Ciao ciao xx xx xx
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When you speak of "how hot, personality, attitude, presence, "the cochonceté" a woman and even her beauty" you are speaking of qualities that create emotional reactions. They are very important and we clients value them highly, but they are subjective, generating responses of attraction and attachment. One word that generalizes this kind of priority is "sentimental". It's not a perfect term for these things, but it's fair enough. In my view, when you question why these qualities are worthwhile at one price and not at a higher price you are saying that sentimental elements should have priority regardless of price.
I think we clients agree with that, but you escorts don't have to pay for it. We clients pay, and we are saying there's a point at which we have to give more consideration to the cost over sentimentality.
In any case, if any client thinks the price is too high there's nothing wrong with moving on, and no escort should be offended, especially if she thinks the ones left are "the sweetest people with the best disposition towards the ladies. They don't have even an once of mysoginous attitude at all." I know you are a good person, but I am a little offended by this quote. In case you didn't understand, it seems to mean clients who don't pay more are not as nice and sometimes even have a bad attitude to women. Maybe you didn't mean this, but it can be taken that way. So being willing to pay more makes a client a better person...NOT!!! Many of the worst jackasses have a lot of money.
No, these are all the more valuable qualities. But this hobby is a business for service, not about making life matches. Frankly, none of this talk about "attitude, skills, education and all the rest" changes the fact that rates are rising and we question why we should pay it.
After 10 years I've learned that rates, especially higher rates, frequently have little to do with the quality of service. There's always plenty of quality at lower rates, and often better.
Cheers,
Merlot
OK, you are putting the qualities of a human, who are quantifiable, in the category "sentimentality". That's ok, I understand your point.
In my point of view, you are X quality, a lot, medium, low, or not at all. I learn on boards this, guys are event putting qualities on /10. So, this is quantifiable.
No, it doesn't mean AT ALL, that guys or gentlemen who don't pay more are not ALL as nice as the others who do.
I am sorry you understood that, I recognized easily that could be interpreted like that, but I am confirming you that's not what I meant. Don't make the error to make this conclusion.
The worst encounters I add in my life of escort, were the time I was in an agency, long time ago, because I was much more easy to meet: by the way of booking AND the level of donation, I can state that, because when I began as an Indy, the level of donation was identical, and I then too, had people who want to exagerate on me.
I don't know how it works, but that's a fact that people who are paying more (and just a bit more, not a 700$/2hours: I can just talk for my own experience) are a different group of people, except few exceptions. This group is more homogeneous for the quality of the men who composed it. That's it. That's doesn't mean there is no bad person at all too, but there is much more less.
The group of men who are dealing with agencies, are very but very less homogeneous: there is gentlemen, yes of course, but there is some really questionable people, who are the people that girls/ladies are really less happy to meet, because of their attitude, and the way they present themselves and using (and this is the right word) using the escort they have in their dispositon. That's not the majority of this group, but there are more in this group than in the group who pay more.
I don't know why it is like that, but it is like that.
You have to stop to take it personally, you are not concerned. I can certified, if you did not changed, you are a sweatheart to meet.
I hope I won't have to certify each one of you I had meet in this thread
Merlot,
First, please stop to talk about "life matching" : that's not what we are doing all together here, and that's not what I was talking about at all.
I understand perfectly that you are living negative emotions as hobbiest about the rising of the rates, like others do. I was just asking to understand your points of view, plus I stated some comments about my side of my experience, that's it.
And I repeat, this is all legitimate your questions, I don't deny your rights to do it.
I understand totally your point of view of shoppers, to have "the best for the less", I am like that too, when I am buying shoes or something else, I am trying to have it on sales, and I am happy to succeed to this, of course.
But, my shoes will always remain to have the same qualities who made me like them, at first. And my problem, as a shopper, is if I am always waiting that the shoes I would like to have to be "on a special rate" to have it, I have some chances I won't get those at all, it won't be left any. So, from time to time, when I really want something, I am paying the big price to spoil myself and to be sure to have it. That's a matter of personal choice, and budget. If I don't have the budget for something, I won't buy it too, even if I like it so much to have it... but if by chance, I got some more money, maybe I will spoil myself then, and go reach those shoes so nice....
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I imagine then, if a girl/lady is a really sure person to meet, a sure bet that you will have a great time in her company, that maybe exist some people who don't like to play and take chances, and they will go see those girls/ladies. I don't know this market.
I don't know if in an agency, like Rollinstone said, someone will pay an Indy rate to meet an agency girl, without all the benefice of the Indy. Maybe there is a market for that, who knows? If they have success, we have to believe there had reach a "niche" then.
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Most of this thread is a tempest in a tea-pot.
Eleganza raising the rate on their 2 most popular girls has had , if anything, a positve effect on the market.
The rest of Eleganza`s girls have stayed at their old rates....all the other agencies are maintaining their rates....and several have dropped their rates like GG has (temporarily or otherwise).
Last but certainly not least, a lovely and popular indy has entered the scene at below agency rates.
Eleganza raising the rate on their 2 most popular girls has had , if anything, a positve effect on the market.
The rest of Eleganza`s girls have stayed at their old rates....all the other agencies are maintaining their rates....and several have dropped their rates like GG has (temporarily or otherwise).
Last but certainly not least, a lovely and popular indy has entered the scene at below agency rates.
You call them the sweetest and we call them the remaining suckers. Most men who are willing to shell out 240$ for an escort are not that smart and not that educated. Willing to pay 240$+ for an SP has nothing to do with intelligence, manners or education.
You cannot monetize attitude and this applies to clients as well as to escorts.
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