I caught Gonorrhea from BBBJ

[erase]

I caught Gonorrhea from

After many months away from what some call ``the hobby``, I fell off the wagon and felt I could handle some restrained activity.

I had two encounters with girls from well-known outcall services, and five days after the second I came down with a serious case of the Clap (ironic, since I was doing this for years with no obvious problems). To compound things I was out of the country and was not able to get treated until three days after the onset of symptoms. This was not fun - day one was pus and painful urination. Day three involved blood. Yuck.

So I`m trying to figure a few things out, and was wondering if anyone was unfortunate enough to have some experience here.

But first some background.

The first recent encounter (possible exposure) was 22 days before the start of my symptoms. It involved brief , covered FS, and was actually somewhat rushed. I think I made a point of peeing and washing right after all the single SOG, which had been a habit of mine. I`m thinking this encounter is less likely to be the cause.

My second encounter was 5 days before the start of my symptoms. The girl was pretty wild, and open to some higher risk stuff like TC (which I did) and Greek (which I did not do, although her listing indicated she did). She did a lot of , and stuck her tongue in my urethra. Intercourse was protected, of course. I also for some reason did not pee and wash right after. To me, she seems more likely to have been the source.

I`m trying to figure some stuff out, like which girl I got it from, and wonder if anyone can share their (painful) experiences here. I also hope this will be a helpful warning about the risks of , since this has been discussed recently.

To those of you unfortunate to know, how much time passed between your encounter and the start of symptoms?

Anyone else want to weigh in with bets as to which girl it was? I am planning on contacting the agencies but any advice on how to approach this would be nice (I`d really rather contact the girls since it`s their personal health info, but I know this isn`t possible and I`m not going to pay for a date just to do this, although I thought about it). I will respect the forum policies about publicly proclaiming people infected, but would share the info by PM - keep in mind I really don`t know for sure since I saw two girls. It could be both of them, but at least one must have G.

Also to those of you who have been treated, how long after starting antibiotics did it take for most or all of your symptoms to go away? I certainly saw a big improvement after 48 hours, but there`s still some pain and redness.

Please be careful out there - this hurt like hell and I thank god I don`t have a ``straight`` sex life where I could have infected someone.

This may be just what I need to stay back ``on the wagon`` , but like they say it is very hard to retire for good.

 

[Mod 11]

Warning to all

This is a warning to all posters interested in participating in this thread.

Suppositions, accusations and allusions to ANY providers, might them be advertisers here or not, well known agencies or obscure unknown, will not be tolerated. At the first SP or agency mentioned, the person who will mention the name will get suspended and the thread will be cleaned and likely closed.

We all know how these threads usually end with false accusations and often plain vengeance without proof. Please ensure this thread won't turn this way.

Erase, if you feel like mentioning names (not that I feel you do) please contact one of the Mod and be ready to provide proofs.

I allow this thread to stay because I believe there's a good chance to have an intelligent discussion. Please everybody, don't make me wrong.

Thanks.

 

[erase]

This is a warning to all posters interested in participating in this thread.

Suppositions, accusations and allusions to ANY providers, might them be advertisers here or not, well known agencies or obscure unknown, will not be tolerated. At the first SP or agency mentioned, the person who will mention the name will get suspended and the thread will be cleaned and likely closed.

We all know how these threads usually end with false accusations and often plain vengeance without proof. Please ensure this thread won't turn this way.

Erase, if you feel like mentioning names (not that I feel you do) please contact one of the Mod and be ready to provide proofs.

I allow this thread to stay because I believe there's a good chance to have an intelligent discussion. Please everybody, don't make me wrong.

Thanks.

Thanks for keeping the thread alive, and I agree completely that public disclosure of the girls or agencies involved is just wrong for all sorts of reasons.

Is it permitted to exchange this information by PM? If this is also prohibited I'll respect that. In retrospect I'm not sure spreading this kind of info even by PM is fair, although it could depend on the context of the PM (i.e. if someone else got infected by the same girl). What I'd like to think is that telling the agency they will advise the girls, who will consider taking appropriate measures which are ultimately up to them.

To the providers, I realize it's a little unfair as it would also be nice if you could get the identities of infected clients.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello erase,

Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM.

Mod 8

 

[erase]

Hello erase,

Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM.

Mod 8

Agreed. It's also possible I got it from girl 1, then exposed girl 2 to it myself. So if nothing else the second girl should be advised so she knows she might have been exposed by me.

 

[erase]

I pulled this off the Center for Disease Control (US gov) web site. I think it answers most of your questions regarding latency period. Hope it helps.

Thanks for this info, Lanum.

Most of the sources I consulted give this 2-5 days as the "typical" onset period, which points to girl 2 as the most likely source. The "up to 30 days" means I can't rule out the first girl though.

Note that I'm not actually trying to conduct a witch-hunt to figure out who the guilty party is - it does not really matter. I would like to know because the exact time of my infection could shed light on some other health issues I had.

 

[erase]

Hello erase,

Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM.

Mod 8

Dear concerned merb-ites,

I`ve decided that I will respect this policy so please don`t PM me to ask the names. If you really want to avoid this nasty experience, you may need to rethink the wisdom of . I could tell you both girls` names, and then you still might get it from the next girl who gives you a . Obviously for the providers I hope this might help awareness (don`t get me wrong - the providers seem to have the most wisdom here) that they may be vulnerable to infection from this source as well. I hate to be a prude, but this really sucked (no pun intended) and it could have been avoided. I actually had a number of very nice CBJ experiences before, and was at the point where wasn`t so important to me but I would accept if offered. If I do more hobbying I will ask for a condom for our mutual protection.

If someone else convinces me they were also recently infected, and wants to compare possible sources by PM, I might be willing to discuss some some details (not promising names) by PM. I am really just interested in determining the date of my infection as it has some implications for my treatment and some other health issues. Also both girls should know as they should be treated if necessary as even asymptomatic G can have serious health repercussions for women if not addressed.

Also I will contact the agencies today, preferably by PM on this board (if I can find contact info), and hope they will take appropriate action.

I hope this is acceptable to the mods. I would like to thank merb for providing a health forum to discuss this unpleasant but important topic.

 

[erase]

I contacted the agencies

Today I called both agencies and let them know what happened.

Interestingly, the guy on the phone for the second girl (who either infected me or might have been infected by me) seemed dismissive of the idea that gonorrhea could have been transmitted by - claiming it could only have been from penetration. I asked him for his word that he`d relay the info to the girl and see that she gets checked out, and he said he`d do it.

The agency guy for the earlier girl I saw, who I think is less likely the source, seemed to take the info more seriously and was a bit more convincing when he promised that he`d pass the info on to her and make sure she got tested.

The doctor who treated me was also a little surprised that it was from oral sex, but did agree that it was possible. For sure I only had the two encounters, and they were both protected FS and . So one or the other must have caused it.

I suppose it`s remotely possible that I didn`t use proper technique when removing the condom after FS - this doesn`t change the fact that I must have got it from one of the two girls, but there`s an extremely slim chance I didn`t get it from (actually this thought is even scarier, since it means the protected FS is not even safe). Still there is a ton of info from reliable sources stating that you can indeed get G from unprotected oral sex. You`d think an agency owner would know this...

 

[erase]

Waiting to clear up, and wondering about my antibiotic

The treatment I was prescribed was to take a single large dose of azythromycin (2 grams, which means eight 250 mg pills), and I took this on Tuesday. I was advised that the symptoms should be cleared up or at least greatly improved within 48 hours.

Two days later there was a big reduction in discharge, much less redness, and the pain was less acute. However in the last couple of days (now 4-days after the antibiotic) there seems to be a resurgence in the discharge (i.e. pus leaking out of my willie).

The 2g azythromycin is also supposed to treat chlamydia, so I don't suppose it's a question of also having this and getting the wrong antibiotic.

I'll call the clinic again Monday, but would be interested if any others who've had this treatment can weigh in on how long it took to clear up.

For what it's worth, I am still waiting for the actual culture results (I had the swab test, which didn't seem so bad, not the urine test). However the doc took one look at the discharge and redness and pronounced that it was "definitely" gonorrhea.

 

[john_eh_mcduff]

Policy disagreement

Mod 8 wrote:
"Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM."

I am firmly against this board policy because it puts the health of all members at risk for the sake of the reputation of the agencies. This is called censorship and should not be allowed. More importantly, it can have the effect of punishing ALL the agencies, where many clients will reconsider booking an appointment and decide to wait until the problem is resolved, resulting in a short term loss of income for all agencies. So in fact, everyone loses. Rather than actually identifying and doing something about the problem. As Mod 11 said, be prepared to provide proof. If Erase can provide medical documents then the source (the SP) should not only be notified, but MERB members should be made aware.

 

[lgna69xxx]

it's a really delicate situation,for sure, but it is Merb's rules, and w/o 100% proof, it could be slander towards the women in question...... so what can you do? to be safe, dont play, or go the CBJ route until things "blow" over (pun definately intended)

Mod 8 wrote:
"Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM."

I am firmly against this board policy because it puts the health of all members at risk for the sake of the reputation of the agencies. This is called censorship and should not be allowed. More importantly, it can have the effect of punishing ALL the agencies, where many clients will reconsider booking an appointment and decide to wait until the problem is resolved, resulting in a short term loss of income for all agencies. So in fact, everyone loses. Rather than actually identifying and doing something about the problem. As Mod 11 said, be prepared to provide proof. If Erase can provide medical documents then the source (the SP) should not only be notified, but MERB members should be made aware.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello john,

If erase, or any other member, can provide us with the lady's medical documents, with her permission of course, that show that she is the source of the transmission, then and only then would we allow her to be identified on MERB. If erase were to provide us with his medical documents, all that would prove is that he is infected but it would not validate the source. The only other option would be if the lady herself were to come forward and admit she was the source of the infection. Anything less is not sufficient proof to allow a name to be posted on the board or sent around by PM.

If it is discovered that any such information is being sent around by PM, any member responsible will be permanently banned as a result.

If you cannot prove it, do not post it.

Mod 8

Mod 8 wrote:
"Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM."

I am firmly against this board policy because it puts the health of all members at risk for the sake of the reputation of the agencies. This is called censorship and should not be allowed. More importantly, it can have the effect of punishing ALL the agencies, where many clients will reconsider booking an appointment and decide to wait until the problem is resolved, resulting in a short term loss of income for all agencies. So in fact, everyone loses. Rather than actually identifying and doing something about the problem. As Mod 11 said, be prepared to provide proof. If Erase can provide medical documents then the source (the SP) should not only be notified, but MERB members should be made aware.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Got to admit it scare the shit out of me, having all this disgusting stuff....yeeek, and im also on the "he should post it" side, even tought i understand the negative effect it would cause. I remember when there was this disease in the Maple Leafs Sausage. Sure it was panic, i had my mother and grand-mother calling me to put any hot dog sausage i had in the trash, no matter the name on it, wich i did. Then later we knew what it was and the source, but i was still happy i lost a few bucks trashing a couple sausage for my health...

 

[erase]

I found a way to solve the problem:

JUST STOP SEEING HOOKERS.

I think this is pretty much it. There is always an element of risk, which may be fine for many since most of the infections you can get are easily treatable.

On the other hand I know there are a lot of guys on here who are married, for example, and are getting from escorts and might also still be having sex with their wife. Here I think you are taking a huge risk where you could have some very difficult explaining to do.

 

[erase]

Disclosure policy

I just saw the recent debate about the disclosure policy, and wanted to weigh in with why I think it`s right to adhere to this.

First, there are still a number of uncertain things here. I don`t know which of the two girls I got it from, although the second girl either gave it to me or was exposed by me (the probability of male to female transmission is very high, especially since she did CIM).

Also, while my doc took one look at willie and said ``yep, that`s gonorrhea``, I still don`t know my swab culture results (whether it might be chlamydia, which is similar, instead of or in addition to G). If it`s really G, the odds fall much more heavily on the second girl because symptoms typically come on in around five days. If it`s C, it could more easily be either. There`s a remote chance it could be some generic urinary tract infection, although I highly doubt it. Still, I don`t even have my own full medical record yet. However it`s pretty clear that I got an STI, and I was only doing and covered FS.

If I did have the medical records for the infected girl, it would be illegal to disclose this information without consent and so I can understand the Mod`s concern here (I know, I know, there`s already much that might be illegal here but this is different). I highly doubt the girl would consent. Note that, in purely legal terms, a girl`s health info is none of the agencies business (I realize that in practical terms the reality is a bit different).

Given that I don`t and will probably never have the girl`s medical file, and given the uncertainty discussed above, any disclosures would just be gossip and rumors, which also puts the Mods (and me) at risk.

The point of my thread was that, in general, it is quite possible to get G, apparently from unprotected oral sex. I could give the names, you could decide never to see either of the two girls, and still the next girl you see *might* infect you. We shouldn`t be in denial about these risks - for many it might be ok, but I didn`t really think it could happen to me and in hindsight I wish I`d stuck to CBJ or stayed in ``retirement``.

For what it`s worth, the agency for the first girl seemed to take it somewhat seriously when I contacted them. The agency for the second girl was kind of dismissive. The scary thing is that this second girl, who is very likely infected, is still working this week even though I contacted them.

Strictly speaking, if either of these girls might be asymptomatic carriers the very least that should be done is that they get a single-dose prophylactic antibiotic treatment, and not have any kind of unprotected sex (i.e. no ) for at least a week after that. Perhaps they are now only offering CBJ - this I wouldn`t know.

As far as tarring all the agencies with the same brush, I know it might seem unfair but anyone who doesn`t appreciate some degree of risk with any agency is fooling themselves. The same thing applies for the agencies with respect to clients - they have to assume that any client could be a psycho, STI carrier, cop, whatever. It`s just due diligence.

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[hormone]

Also, while my doc took one look at willie and said ``yep, that`s gonorrhea``, I still don`t know my swab culture results (whether it might be chlamydia, which is similar, instead of or in addition to G). (...) There`s a remote chance it could be some generic urinary tract infection, although I highly doubt it.

The point of my thread was that, in general, it is quite possible to get G, apparently from unprotected oral sex. I could give the names, you could decide never to see either of the two girls, and still the next girl you see *might* infect you. We shouldn`t be in denial about these risks -

For what it`s worth, the agency for the first girl seemed to take it somewhat seriously when I contacted them. The agency for the second girl was kind of dismissive. The scary thing is that this second girl, who is very likely infected, is still working this week even though I contacted them.

First of all , erase, I`d like to say you have conducted this discussion in a very fair and neutral fashion. Congrats on that.

Second, wether it be G or C you got and will test positive for, I hope you got treated for both, as they often co-exist and co-infect. ``Simple`` urine infections in men do not give pus coming out of your penis, so this is clearly ruled out.

Third, which is of bigger concern. It is likely that the girl who infected you carries this STI only in her throat and not in her ``genitals`` if I can say it like that. Unless she gives and then has sex without condoms on the same partner, maybe in her private life. So when one contacts an SP or an agency and the girl goes to get tested, unless she is totally forthcoming with her doctor, it is likely the doctor will not test her with throat swabs. She will then receive a ``clean bill of health`` from the MD and sadly escape treatment and continue to spread the disease unknowingly.

Aside from totally safe sex (i.e. CBJ and of course covered FS), the only chance to keep the SPs as clean as possible is to have regular testing of all orifices. We should not see this as the girl`s fault... after all, the girl got it from someone too!!

 

[MG_mtl]

For what it's worth, the agency for the first girl seemed to take it somewhat seriously when I contacted them. The agency for the second girl was kind of dismissive. The scary thing is that this second girl, who is very likely infected, is still working this week even though I contacted them.

Kinda scary don't you think??? Have you tried contacting them again about it? Was the guy you spoke to the owner of the agency or just the booker. If so, I would ask to speak to the owner.

I understand the whole policy (even thought I don't fully agree with it), but the fact is Erase is infected and the chances are he has given it to the two ladies in question even if they didn't give it to him. So is it normal to see one of those ladies advertised here on Merb? Are the mods comfortable with THAT?

 

[Jack_Bauer]

Hello john,

If erase, or any other member, can provide us with the lady`s medical documents, with her permission of course, that show that she is the source of the transmission, then and only then would we allow her to be identified on MERB. If erase were to provide us with his medical documents, all that would prove is that he is infected but it would not validate the source. The only other option would be if the lady herself were to come forward and admit she was the source of the infection. Anything less is not sufficient proof to allow a name to be posted on the board or sent around by PM.

If it is discovered that any such information is being sent around by PM, any member responsible will be permanently banned as a result.

If you cannot prove it, do not post it.

Mod 8

If you could obtain the lady`s medical documents, you`d have greater powers than law enforcement. Since there were two encounters within a relatively short timespan, seems to me that there are at least two providers who are a potential danger to themselves and others.

Evidently, these ladies with whom the thread starter had encounters will never agree to anything, since it is against their interest. They will not put their livelihood at risk and worse, they risk becoming blacklisted by all agencies when their time with their current agencies, is up.

I know it`s difficult to tell the truth from a post on a site such as this, where the poster himself remains unidentified.

However, if I were a betting man, I`d say ``erase`` sounds very credible. Either that, or he wins the Fake Dick Disease Award for fiction.

That said, something needs to be done about the recalcitrant agencies/girls, who are hiding their heads under the sand.

I understand the Mods` concern in that they are not privy to directly verifiable information and hence, they cannot form an opinion either way. However, it doesn`t mean that something cannot be done about it, outside the confines of this site.

Other than alerting some of the diehards here about what may await them, I`m afraid this site will not do much to help the thread starter`s very legitimate goals, which as I read this thread, are:

1. To have the girls who are likely infected, get immediate treatment;

2. To prevent other users from getting infected and propagating the disease further.

Since this site is a dead end for anyone who gets infected, then erase has only one choice: failure by one or both agencies to take immediate action is a matter for a third party intervenant who deals with health issues.

And by taking ``immediate action``, I mean that the least those agencies should be doing, is sending both alleged infected providers home for the time it takes for them to get thoroughly tested.

Again, even if the agencies acted quickly and diligently, there would be no way for erase to ascertain that they have done so, given the very shady nature of this business.

Some hobby. When I purchase a product or service that is a function of a real hobby, I always have a guarantee to fall back on. But, when one purchases the services of a provider who doesn`t take basic health precautions, then all you`re going to get is her gorilla backer standing up for her and making you realize even more, that the few minutes of pleasure obtained within the confines of their bacteria-infested ``agency`` environment, was merely the symbiosis of your lack of judgment paired with a human being who represents nothing more than a rented mule to the ``agency`` where this happened.

So we can`t PM about this. Or name names. But, the owners of the pigsty that continues to pretend there is no medical issue here without taking a serious look at the very convincing approach made by erase, should continue to be denounced, even if they can`t be identified, just so that other ``owners`` of their ilk, are put on notice.

I would urge erase to do what it takes to take it to the next level. The pigsty owners may not be accountable to this site, but their bacteria-infesting ways are of definite interest to a higher authority.

Another solution might be for erase to contact STELLA (an org. that helps providers) and ask them what ressources are available to get the girls tested and help nip this in the bud. This site allows STELLA to post employment ads, so I suppose I can take the email from their ad and post it here: stelladirection@ videotron. ca

If I`m erase, I`d contact STELLA, name the girls and their agencies, and ask them how this can be dealt with expeditiously and effectively. I`m sure they`ve seen these situations before and know intervenants who can get results.

Good luck.

 

[Voyager]

but the fact is Erase is infected and the chances are he has given it to the two ladies in question even if they didn`t give it to him.

If I`m allowed to play devils` advocate, and I`m sure there will be some who won`t allow it, but here goes...

is it really a ``fact`` that Erase is infected? Has he shown his health report to a Mod? Is there any verifiable proof that not only is he infected, but that he saw the ladies he is referencing? The Mods have offered their assistance, but has he taken them up on the offer?

Erase has been out of the hobby for quite awhile, yet the very first time he sees a provider he contracts an as-yet-unknown (since his test results are pending) STD via a ? Quite the coincidence!

Now I`m not doubting the veracity of his story, since Erase seems sincere in his warnings. But in reading his initial posts, it appears he was trying to solicit similar stories as opposed to an actual warning. It just struck me as a bit odd, so I remained silent.

I wish Erase all the best in his health issues, but I hope everyone has that ``grain of salt`` handy...

Regards,

Voyager

 

[Jack_Bauer]

is it really a "fact" that Erase is infected?

That's it, Erase. You've been caught.

Turns out you're a shill for Fake Dick Diseases.

Only on this site.