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Can't imagine this passing.

Our tolerant and compassionate stand on issues of human rights makes us a distinct unique nation. That's where we differ from our friends south of the border. Healthcare, death penalty, prostitution - We have showed the world our humanist stand on these issues. It'll be a sad day for Canada if this ridiculous model gets accepted.

It will pass unanimously without a doubt. I don't know what Canada you live in, but the Canada I know is very intolerant, racist and backwards. And please don't talk about our friends south of the border. Canada can only wish they can be 2% as tolerant and democratic as the USA.

Go ahead and keep believing the bullshit propaganda the Canadian Media is feeding you about how great this country is.

Just look at our elected government officials. The Supreme Court of Canada rendered a ruling on our current prostitution laws in December and Peter MacGay with his new proposed laws basically told the Supreme Court of Canada to go fuck themselves.
 

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It will pass unanimously without a doubt. I don't know what Canada you live in, but the Canada I know is very intolerant, racist and backwards. And please don't talk about our friends south of the border. Canada can only wish they can be 2% as tolerant and democratic as the USA.

Go ahead and keep believing the bullshit propaganda the Canadian Media is feeding you about how great this country is.

Just look at our elected government officials. The Supreme Court of Canada rendered a ruling on our current prostitution laws in December and Peter MacGay with his new proposed laws basically told the Supreme Court of Canada to go fuck themselves.

Great response pool guy. I love visiting your country and think Montreal is amazing. But as an American I find what is written in this bill as scary as hell, resembling language of a middle eastern country. In the US, where the business of prostitution may be illegal, still thrives because we hold our freedom of speech and right to assemble so dear. Law Enforcement talks a good game once in awhile but busts, at least in NYC, are so rare. The fact that agencies MIGHT need to shut down under the new law is something an American's mind can't process. That's unfortunate because I love your country but sadly your lawmakers are taking you into the dark ages
 

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The fact that agencies MIGHT need to shut down under the new law is something an American's mind can't process.

It doesn't mean anything. They could have shut down agencies with the old law if they wanted to. They didn't do it because it's impossible to enforce to any significant extent. They're not going to spend months investigating a harmless agency to close it when they pop up everywhere like mushrooms.

This kind of ''end demand'' law has no practical effect. The only hope of the law is to have an effect on the mentality of men and stop them from going to prostitutes. Instead of pray-the-gays-away, it's pray-the-demand-away. It never works, because it's based on ignorance. People don't read the criminal code and I bet that most clients didn't even know that prostitution was not illegal in the past (I didn't know when I started seeing sex workers).
 

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It will pass unanimously without a doubt. I don't know what Canada you live in, but the Canada I know is very intolerant, racist and backwards. And please don't talk about our friends south of the border. Canada can only wish they can be 2% as tolerant and democratic as the USA.

Go ahead and keep believing the bullshit propaganda the Canadian Media is feeding you about how great this country is.

Just look at our elected government officials. The Supreme Court of Canada rendered a ruling on our current prostitution laws in December and Peter MacGay with his new proposed laws basically told the Supreme Court of Canada to go fuck themselves.

Without a doubt, but the Supreme Court of Canada will strike it down once again telling the government to come up with a new law as this is not what the Supreme Court of Canada had in mind when it told the government it change it, the good thing might be that when the Court strikes it down again it will be asking a new government to rework the prostitution laws(Canadian election in 2015).

Regardless of what the law is I will fuck beautiful escorts/prostitutes until the day I die, there always has and there will always be escorts/prostitutes(the oldest profession in the world), fuck you Peter Mckay, you arrogant, delusional, conservative prick!!!!.
 

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It doesn't mean anything. They could have shut down agencies with the old law if they wanted to. They didn't do it because it's impossible to enforce to any significant extent. They're not going to spend months investigating a harmless agency to close it when they pop up everywhere like mushrooms.

This kind of ''end demand'' law has no practical effect. The only hope of the law is to have an effect on the mentality of men and stop them from going to prostitutes.
Excellent point. One can hope.
 

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This new law will elevate us from simple clients to freedom activists. Seeing escorts is now a political act. Every time we do it we make a bold statement against the Party! We are risking arrest for the sexual and financial freedom of other people. That's pretty heroic I think; and I hope society will reward us in time :)
 

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Does this (religious ,féminist )stupid law apply allso to strip club and massage parlor?Or its just for escort agency and street Walker?And how about gold diggers?(they are prostitute to)Are they going to arrest her sugar daddy?
 

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''sexual service'' is not defined, so it could in theory apply to just about anything: sex therapists, sex shops, etc. It could even apply to a married couple where the woman is using sex to convince her husband to buy a new dining set. In practice they're going to have enough trouble trying to enforce it even for actual prostitution.
 

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This new law will elevate us from simple clients to freedom activists. Seeing escorts is now a political act. Every time we do it we make a bold statement against the Party! We are risking arrest for the sexual and financial freedom of other people. That's pretty heroic I think; and I hope society will reward us in time :)
That is one way of looking at it...

''sexual service'' is not defined, so it could in theory apply to just about anything: sex therapists, sex shops, etc. It could even apply to a married couple where the woman is using sex to convince her husband to buy a new dining set. In practice they're going to have enough trouble trying to enforce it even for actual prostitution.
True. 'Sexual services' has not been defined within the Bill and the rest of the proposed legislation is so vague as to defy proper interpretation.
 

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It has been aproved at the second reading ....

It's still have have pass in commitee which will be done through the summer then it will pass to the vote for the thrird reading then it'll be sent to the senate

I guess the whole process will be aproved somewhere around December ..
 

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since the supreme court are the ones who told the government to revise the law because it was unconstitutional...shouldn't they automatically check to see if it is constitutional before it passes!!! DUH !!:confused:
 

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They won't .... It will have to be challenged once again I know it is stupid but thats how the wonderful system works :-(
 

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It has been aproved at the second reading ....

It's still have have pass in commitee which will be done through the summer then it will pass to the vote for the thrird reading then it'll be sent to the senate

I guess the whole process will be aproved somewhere around December ..

So basically, we have till december to fuck like bunnies before we're considered criminals. Great.
 

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For those who want to follow the progress of the bill, here's a useful site:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Bill=C36&Parl=41&Ses=2

July 7 and 8 will be the meeting of the Committee. They will hear from about 15 witnesses, who each have only about 20 minutes. These include groups like:
Stella (Montreal)
Maggies (Toronto)
POWER (Ottawa),
Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform
Evangelical Fellowship of Canada
Sex Trafficking Survivors United
Calgary Police Service
 

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According to an article the french newspaper Lapresse Mckay is expecting a challenge in supreme court and also he doesn`t want access the request of opposition parties to send the bill to the supreme court to get checked it out ....

Anyway what a shame this guy..

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-affaires-crimiellis/actualites-judiciaires/201407/07/01-4781753-mackay-sattend-a-ce-que-sa-reforme-sur-la-prostitution-soit-contestee.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_BO2_quebec_canada_178_accueil_POS1
 

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Here's the same story in English, MacKay says explicitly that they did not get outside legal opinion when creating the bill, but that he is ''confident'' that it's compliant anyway.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/07/peter-mackay-prostitution-bill-c-36-supreme-court_n_5562687.html

Also, today 200 legal experts sent a letter to the government to reconsider this bill.
http://www.pivotlegal.org/hundreds_of_legal_experts_call_on_federal_government_to_reconsider_proposed_prostitution_laws

Also, the 20 millions ''rescue fund'' will be over a 5-year period, so about 4millions per year. That's less than they are spending to change the new army uniforms.
 

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More than 220 legal experts have written an open letter to the prime minister asking that he reconsider his government’s new prostitution bill, just as hearings for the new legislation get underway in Ottawa.

The letter’s signatories, all experts in constitutional, criminal and public law, say that Bill C-36, the Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act, will not make sex workers any safer than they were under the previous laws. And they say that the criminal charges laid out in the bill violate sex workers’ Charter rights, and will increase their risk of exposure to violence.

The group released the letter Monday morning, just as the House of Commons justice committee opened hearings on the new bill in a special parliamentary session.




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Sex workers, lawyers and other stakeholders have criticized the bill, which Justice Minister Peter MacKay unveiled last month. The new bill comes after the Supreme Court struck down three provisions in Canada’s prostitution laws last December saying they violated sex workers’ Charter right to security of the person, and gave the government one year to re-write them.

MacKay has urged Parliament to pass the legislation quickly, but has indicated he is open to amendments.

The letter is especially critical of three areas of Bill C-36: the prohibitions on purchasing sex, public communication and advertising. The previous prostitution laws were struck down, the experts write, because they “were found to create and exacerbate dangerous conditions and prevent sex workers from taking action to reduce or mitigate the risks they face.

“We are concerned that, for the very same reasons that caused the Court to strike down these prostitution laws, the criminal regime proposed by Bill C-36 is likely to offend the Charter as well.”

Here is a closer look at the three provisions the experts find troubling, and what the government says about them.

The prohibition on purchasing sexual services

The federal government has defended its new legislation by arguing that it is cracking down on johns and pimps because their activities are both harmful to women and society in general. The provisions are also meant to reduce the demand for sexual services and protect sex workers from exploitation.

The legal experts write in their letter, however, that the prohibition on purchasing sexual services and communicating for that purpose “will have much the same effect as existing adult prostitution laws.

“Targeting clients will displace sex workers to isolated areas where prospective customers are less likely to be detected by police.”

The provision will inhibit sex workers’ ability to screen clients or negotiate terms due to pressure from clients to “proceed as quickly as possible.” Sex workers will also be prevented from working in a “safe, indoor space” because clients will not go there over fear of being arrested.

Recent research suggests that rather than protect sex workers’ safety, criminalizing clients in fact “creates the conditions for violence, abuse, and human rights violations,” lawyer Elin Sigurdson said in a statement.

Prohibition on advertising

The prohibition on advertising from the sex industry is also problematic, the experts write, arguing that it will “significantly limit sex workers’ ability to work safely indoors” by restricting their ability to communicate with potential clients.

This is “concerning,” they write, because the laws that were struck down in December “clearly found that the ability to operate in indoor venues is a key measure for sex workers to reduce the risk of violence.”

When the Supreme Court handed down its decision last December, it said that the prohibition against operating a bawdy house violated sex workers’ Charter rights to be able to ensure their own safety, lawyer Sandra Ka Hon Chu said in a statement.

The top court “was very clear that the bawdy house law, which had the same effect of depriving sex workers of access to safer indoor environments, violated their fundamental constitutional rights,” Chu said.

Selling sex in public

The new legislation also prohibits the communication of sexual services in a public space where someone under the age of 18 “could reasonably be expected to be found.”

The provision, the government said, was meant to protect children who may be exposed to prostitution in their home or community and prevent such transactions to take place in places like residential communities and public parks.

But the provision further marginalizes street-based sex workers, “who are among the most marginalized segment of the industry,” the experts counter in their letter.

Like the above-mentioned provisions, this element of the new bill will also push sex workers to isolated areas where they are more likely to work alone and “rush into vehicles” without properly screening clients or negotiating terms.

Open Letter on Bill C-36


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pros...ter-legal-experts-say-1.1902206#ixzz36pzt0LLo
 
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