Ladies and gentlemen, what are your pet peeves?

[AdeleBeaumont]

It's much better when the SP greets the person without even having to mention the infamous enveloppe. Let's be honest, it kills the moment. Why don't you just leave it in sight and clear the awkward part so that you can both enjoy yourself.

it has happened to me that a man said he would give me a donation at the end and he never did hence why I mention on my ads that I appreciate the enveloppe to be given at the begining of the rendezvous. However, I don't want to touch it as I hate that it feels so transactional. Just put it on the table after you take your shoes off. Ni vu, ni connu.

 

[IanMoone8]

@Bbw hunter, I see her point also & agree that any client should be gentlemen enough to pay upfront. I’ve been burnt before also, but I still pay upfront knowing there’s a risk. Best you can do is minimize your risk by sticking to well reviewed sp’s. Call it karma or call it physics, everyone gets their due.

@AdeleBeaumont I totally agree. It’s something that shouldn’t even need to be discussed in person.

 

[2fast2slow]

i forgot to pay someone once (well we both forgot actually, because we were very comfortable with each other, i went right back to pay, we both felt silly when we realized). I would hate (be mortififed) to be acccused of rape for that.

If a client went in to the appoinntment with the pre-meditation of skipping out without paying, yeah, i can definitely see how the provider will feel raped. I think from a legal standpoint it should be considered rape.

 

[2fast2slow]

SP’s who demand cash up front. I now just turn around and leave.
Also trump haters and climate change believers.....

sounds like a troll

 

[hungry101]

I think rape is spot on. Why not? If a woman willingly sleeps with someone but regrets it years later, by today's standard on any college campus it is rape. If regret = rape then why not? I think a guy running out of the room after sex to skip out on paying is worse than what is being called rape on college campuses these days. So why not?

 

[Carmine Falcone]

From the legal standpoint, it'd probably be considered fraud or theft by deception. Let's not dilute the definition of rape by throwing it around because a client didn't pay. Sexual acts without consent is rape, not refusing to pay for a service.

 

[maximus.dickus]

Actually when I see Julia Sky, the cash would be in her hands, before the session would start. Reputation is everything. I know its going to be a great session and I do not have any qualms about paying up front.


However other than reputable SP’s of whom I see rather few of because of monetary reasons, the vast majority of SP’s are not service oriented.


I believe that withholding cash till the session is over, is an excellent motivator.


I personally have never had a session with an SP and not paid.

 

[IanMoone8]

@Carmine Falcone, you said that more eloquently than I did, but this was my issue with Julia using the term rape in that context.

Have you guys ever had a gf that was sexually assaulted or abused? Try comparing Julia’s point to someone who’s been through that & they will tell you there is no comparison.

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

I believe that withholding cash till the session is over, is an excellent motivator.

That's probably one of the most disgusting comment I have read on all three boards. Congratulations sir!

 

[Julia Sky]

Are clients being raped when sp’s don’t provide adequate service? It’s definitely a violation but calling it rape seems extreme.

Imagine comparing rape by deception (if you don’t respect the conditions of someone’s consent, in this case the money factor, it’s literally rape, sorry to break it to all of you lol) versus a man’s frustration that the girl didn’t suck dick properly. You can’t force someone to do anything specific when it comes to sex. So no, clients aren’t being "raped" unless the girl does something you precisely said no to. On the other hand, if a person consents to sex only because you’re paying and you end up not paying it’s rape by deception.


P.s - I’m not sure why any of you seems to think it’s acceptable to cancel on a girl because she asks to be paid before you literally fuck her. I’ve heard of guys not repeating and that’s ok but cancelling is a dick move. Either don’t repeat, or ask her before you book if she requires payment upfront, that way she’s not going to book you at all and you both save time and she doesn’t lose potential clients to book an asshole who cancels at the door.

Not paying an escort is 100% rape. Her consent was contingent on you paying her. If you told her you were not going to pay, you never would have been allowed to touch her. While it might not be a prosecutable crime in some jurisdictions, rape by deception is recognized criminal offense in some north american jurisdictions. Whether or not it constitutes a crime or not in Montreal, it is without a doubt the scummiest possible thing a guy can do and labeling it as rape is 100% appropriate in my opinion.

Thank you. Someone gets it.

@Bbw hunter, my comment is about her reaction & the fact that she used the term rape so loosely.

@laid_back_alex, I call that being ripped off, robed or violated, not raped. No disrespect to Julia or anyone else.

hear me out. I was raped at the age of 4, and a client didn’t pay me at the age of 19, both felt like rape to me. And rape by deception definitely is a thing so you actually don’t get to tell rape victims that they haven’t been raped. Sorry not sorry. That’s not how any of this work. At least your true colors are showing, you’re one of the ones who think sex workers are "un-rapeable".

From the legal standpoint, it'd probably be considered fraud or theft by deception. Let's not dilute the definition of rape by throwing it around because a client didn't pay. Sexual acts without consent is rape, not refusing to pay for a service.

When the service is sex and requires consent and the consent is dependent on payment, it’s called rape by deception. You too think sex workers aren’t human anymore and therefore cannot be raped? Is that it?

@Carmine Falcone, you said that more eloquently than I did, but this was my issue with Julia using the term rape in that context.

Have you guys ever had a gf that was sexually assaulted or abused? Try comparing Julia’s point to someone who’s been through that & they will tell you there is no comparison.

I have. I’ve been raped as a literal child. How does that make you feel now? Try telling me again that I don’t know shit about rape. I dare you.

 

[hungry101]

Really? I’ve certainly read worse. BTW - I’ve had girls try to make me cum in 5 minutes and run out the door.
However, I doubt the order in which I paid wouldn’t have made things that much better.
I’m ok paying Montreal girls before or after. It doesn’t matter because there is an element of trust. Girls seem to care about their reputation as a provider. I just thought the paying after was kind of nice. Not necessary but nice.

Clearly Julia was exaggerating. However, if you have ever been robbed or even had troubles collecting the fee from some scam artist you can sympathize with her point of view.

 

[Julia Sky]

That's probably one of the most disgusting comment I have read on all three boards. Congratulations sir!

Right? If someone has that mindset and thinks it’s a good motivator for me to provide good service they’re wrong. I always provide good service regardless but if someone doesn’t pay before, I spend the whole time being stressed and that probably reflects in my service. Unless the guy provided a reference or is a known board member or someone I’ve interacted with or done business with online - in those cases I’m not really worried and don’t mind payment after.

 

[Julia Sky]

Ah also! I forgot to mention, for those of you who see escorts as less than human and impossible to rape and prefer call it "fraud", you might be happy to learn that in Canada, if you "fraud" someone then there is no consent and it’s considered rape.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/40/7/1570383389-eb826293-0fa2-41ef-b96d-bf15f024527b.jpeg

 

[Valcazar]

@Julia - They do know that. It is just a lot of them think it is bad law. (Fraud is part of trafficking, but just look at the Epstein thread and you will see that people think it shouldn't count as "really" trafficking.)

 

[Julia Sky]

Honestly anyone who thinks obtaining sex from fraud shouldn’t be illegal is deranged in my book.

Even if we leave the law behind though, rape is more than just a legal thing. It impacts people in more ways than just having to hire a lawyer. No human can really tell another human that they weren’t raped if they feel they were. Unless consent was specifically given and it’s just a matter of regret lol... But telling someone that they haven’t been raped when they didn’t consent, just because you think you’re some kind of authority on what constitutes rape, is bizarre as hell. You don’t get to tell people how they feel... The sheer amount of rapists who never go to jail for a multitude of reasons is telling, too.

 

[maximus.dickus]

That's probably one of the most disgusting comment I have read on all three boards. Congratulations sir!

Lol, really??? I wonder what waitresses, barbers, doctors, lawyers etc... think of being paid only after their service was provided.


I have had enough of the pure shit some SP’s throw at our faces. Things go both ways.

 

[IanMoone8]

@Julia Sky, I’m sorry to hear that you were abused, especially at such a young age. My brother was abused as a child (5) & I’ve had 2 gf’s that were also. I never meant to imply that sex workers can’t be raped. I just felt that rape wasn’t the right word in that context, as I’ve seen 1st hand how much it affects people’s lives. I felt a client leaving without paying termed as rape, minimizes the trauma rape/abuse victims have gone through. Well, I read a little bit about consent after seeing the pic you provided above. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong, so thanks for schooling me on the subject.

By this definition though, aren’t clients being raped when sp’s agree to services that weren’t provided? Since the client’s consent & payment was based on certain acts being performed, it’s technically consent by deception also.

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

No one is going to feel motivated if donation is not provided at the beginning of the date (if it's the first time you see them). A provider would feel anxious, uncomfortable and like the suitor was trying to take advantage of them.

When donation is provided at the beginning of the date, we feel relaxed and we can forget about the transactional aspect and start to focus on the pleasuring part.

I really don't understand what's so difficult with giving the donation first. You literally don't even have to hand it, just put it somewhere while you're taking your jacket off.

 

[CLOUD 500]

AdeleBeaumont,

What if you are seeing an escort from Humpchies type website. What to do then? There are so many con artists out there. Many girls essentially scamming customers. Girls falsely promising services then changing once payment is given. I also read reviews of once payment is given some guy enters the room to kick the client out. A client got to protect himself too. As escorts feel uncomfortable so do clients. Unless it is a Merb agency or an Indy from Merb with reviews to back up credibility then what other options are there?

 

[AdeleBeaumont]

Don't see the SP if you are not 100% sure/comfortable just like we wouldn't see a suitor if we are not totally sure.