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From https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
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IETF Nettiquette Guidelines:

It was not a typing or spelling error. I agree that you should not point out such errors and I never do that.

People, including sugar babies :D, will judge you by your manner of expressing yourself in writing. To be successful on SA you need to communicate effectively and avoid making egregious errors such as using an adjective as a verb..
 

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Take away the noun or verb or adjective "cash", funny how it seems to fit in everywhere , and you will all be writing poetry to yourselves.;)

True enough. Just like an escort, a sugar baby is motivated by cash. However, unlike an escort, she is not willing to accept cash from almost anyone willing to pay.

A sugar baby is an amateur escort who wants to choose her own client(s). A good-looking sugar baby can choose from multiple guys willing to pay her, but she will chose the one(s) who offers something more, such as intelligence, good education, good manners, good communication skills, a respectful attitude, etc.

Developing a relationship with a sugar baby is not for everyone. There is a real risk of being rejected by someone you might be interested in. That almost never happens with escorts. But if you learn how to play the game, you can develop some very nice relationships with women who have looks and sex appeal comparable to many escorts, yet cost less. Also these days, due to FOSTA and sex trafficking hysteria in the U.S., seeking out companions in the sugar world is much safer and easier than meeting escorts in the U.S.

Montreal is a different case because finding an escort is so easy and affordable, but if you browse the listings of sugar babies there, you will see some tempting women. It's a different experience and it's not for everyone but it can provide an interesting alternative to the same old routine of escorts.
 

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To importunate is rare, but it is a Verb.
You may feel It's use in the context of a SA conversation is importunate, or you can say it is infortunate, but you cannot say this for the reason that it is not a verb. In the English language, there is no "académie anglaise" that decrees what is and is not. This may be importunating, but usage rules.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/importunate#English
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importunate (third-person singular simple present importunates, present participle importunating, simple past and past participle importunated)

(rare) To importune, or to obtain by importunity.
1581 June 23, Thomas Churchyard, letter to Sir Christopher Hatton, in Sir Harris Nicolas (editor), Memoirs of the Life and Times of Sir Christopher Hatton, K.G., Richard Bentley (publisher, 1847), page 173:
All which notwithstanding, I obtained licence at length to make my supplication to the noble Parliament house; but I could find no messengers till Sir John Seton went, whom I importunated daily to obtain me favor for my return home again.
1847 December 18, N. Roussel, “Spiritual Destitution of Paris.—Appeal to British Christians”, in Evangelical Christendom: Its State and Prospects, Volume II (1848), Partridge and Oakey, page 43:
Is my work ended? The fear of importunating my friends answers, “Yes.”
1910 July, David Leslie Brown, “The Need of To-day”, in Sunset, Volume 25, Southern Pacific Company, reverse of frontispiece:
It is the concrete that impresses, that importunates until it influences—in writing as in everything else.

Don't you love this last quote, in context :deadhorse:
 

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...In the English language, there is no "académie anglaise" that decrees what is and is not. This may be importunating, but usage rules.

If usage rules where are the examples from any recent years? It may have been used in England in 1581 but it's not in use today. That's why it's not listed as a verb in any authoritative English dictionary.
 

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People, including sugar babies , will judge you by your manner of expressing yourself in writing. To be successful on SA you need to communicate effectively and avoid making egregious errors such as using an adjective as a verb.. .
Do you see escorts rather than sugar babies out of necessity, as the latter tire of your condescension? Rumple disagreed with me. However, I enjoyed his respectful and amusing post.

If usage rules where are the examples from any recent years? It may have been used in England in 1581 but it's not in use today. That's why it's not listed as a verb in any authoritative English dictionary.
In summing, some dictionaries still recognize "importunate" as a verb, but not ones which you regard as authoritative. Thanks to lovs-mssgs, we have examples of its use in the past (his last in the 20th century, not only the 16th) as a verb by prominent native English speakers. According to you, however, I have made an egregious error. I recommend to you your own advice:
Don't try to use big words when plain English will communicate your meaning. .

Evidently, you are not aware of the current meaning of the word "egregious". I speculate that English is not your first language.

I do, however, thank you for evoking a pleasant memory, that of the "Secretary Bird" character of many of Victor Mollo's novels. I therefore wish you the best. May the stick up your ass never splinter.
P.S. Please correct me, if, despite common usage, "up" should be replaced by "in" in the preceding sentence.
 

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....May the stick up your ass never splinter...

AV, I'm sorry that I importunated you. You'll get over it. :D

Now back to the topic of long (or short) term arrangements.
 

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To be successful on SA you need to communicate effectively and avoid making egregious errors such as using an adjective as a verb..
Actually contacting SA girls in Montreal using "importunate" as a verb is likely to be effective as it's a verb in French!

If my experience with escorts translates to SA, the quality of your language will rarely give you bonus points... to communicate effectively, you have to adapt to your audience.
 

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Actually contacting SA girls in Montreal using "importunate" as a verb is likely to be effective as it's a verb in French!

If my experience with escorts translates to SA, the quality of your language will rarely give you bonus points... to communicate effectively, you have to adapt to your audience.

C'est vrai. Le verbe "Importuner" existe en français. C'est même du bon français (et pour certains gens, c'est un verbe en anglais aussi :smile:).

Mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi à propos de ton opinion que <...the quality of your language will rarely give you bonus points.> J'ai souvent reçu beaucoup des <bonus points> :smile: des escortes québécoises grâce au fait que je suis un Américain qui parle français.

Est-ce que c'est un avantage avec les <bébés de sucre>? On verra, peut-être.
 

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I agree with CR that on SA it's important to be able to write effectively and most importantly, to use decorum and avoid crudeness in the language. Some rules I follow:

(1) Always use the code word "intimacy" rather than sex. When you tell girls this up front, they know what you mean and respect you for being honest in your intentions.

(2) NEVER ask for an early meeting in a hotel, it "hookerizes" an SA girl. They look at themselves as a distinct species that is vastly superior to escorts- whether that is the reality is irrelevant. As soon as you start talking hotels you will lose a lot of girls. You have to man up and bring her to your place - but do that after only after you get to know her or it's at your own risk. The ladies want you to treat them like a girlfriend, even though they and you know that at least initially, they really aren't, and in most arrangements I have had, the ladies know they are not a girlfriend.

(3) Be upfront on what you are willing to do on the financial end of it, although leave yourself a bit of wiggle room to negotiate.

(4) Compliment them on their pics, they like to hear it, and they also like to hear you ask questions about their interests. If you identify a common interest, in particular, try to discuss in an intelligent manner.

(5) Beware of using the term "friend with benefits"- younger women have widely different definitions in their heads as to what that is. If a girl uses that in her profile, ask her what she means by it. Do not assume it means sex is on the table- with some ladies it means I am good eye candy for you, worthy of being paid.

(6) Ask them their expectations up front so that if they are unreasonable you find out sooner rather than later.

(7) Read your message before you hit send, and ask yourself if the reader is likely to be made to feel good about it, as opposed to feeling like a slab of meat.

I generally adopt a professional tone in all my communications. It is a business transaction after all. Ladies respect it. They don't respect leering comments that drool through their computer monitor. I have heard lots of comments on guys being rude, and that simply means asking for sexual favors without nuance. It is rude to be blunt- to most ladies. Subtlety is a skill.
 

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...on SA it's important to be able to write effectively and most importantly, to use decorum and avoid crudeness in the language. Some rules I follow...

...I generally adopt a professional tone in all my communications. It is a business transaction after all. Ladies respect it. They don't respect leering comments that drool through their computer monitor. I have heard lots of comments on guys being rude, and that simply means asking for sexual favors without nuance. It is rude to be blunt- to most ladies. Subtlety is a skill.

EB, that's an outstanding summary of how to succeed on SA. I agree with all your rules. I followed the same rules and in one month I had encounters with three desirable women, one of whom has become my regular SB for the last six months.

But it's not a game for everyone. It takes research, time, patience and spending a little money upfront. But for me all that is part of the fun and the challenge. If you are successful you will wind up meeting some interesting, desirable women whom you would never have met if you stick just to escorts.

I will still see escorts when I travel but for now I will continue to seek my fun in the "sugar bowl" when I am playing in my own backyard. Though sometimes I think of Montreal as part of my backyard. :D
 

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CR,

I have been on SA for almost 4 years and it is DEFINITELY a learned skill. My success rate improved over time in getting dates and I sincerely believed it was due to adjusting my “Seeking Arrangement Shtick.” And playing by the rules. I have progressively had success with hotter and hotter women and I am currently dating a local college girl, who is 20 years old. She is very refined and cultured and an academic stud and a good match for me. If you play your cards right you don’t need to spend tons of money on them but you do need to spend some. There is a large segment of college age women who have never had a SD and are intrigued by the idea of having an older guy buy them stuff rather than date struggling male students their own age. The lady I am dating doesn’t like guys her own age. She gets that they are all in debt and they can’t buy her clothes or take her out to eat. They will not lift up her standard of living. I take her to nice restaurants and have bought her nice clothes and she is eating up even the very mild spoiling I am giving her.
 

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Still can not get my head around having to pay for a friend even if she fucks you. Buying clothes, nice places to eat... short term taking an escort to a nice dinner and have sex after fine, but long term..... lower your standards, use your charm, personality and a good sense of humor and search out a free one ( yes, nothing is free ) but you gotta believe you do not need money to find someone, well some do.
 

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STN good luck trying that strategy with hot 20 year old college kids. After you have enough water dumped in your face to fill Lake Erie and enough laughs and guffaws to rival Adam Sandler and assuming the police are not called on you for stalking, please report back on how that has worked out for you in lieu of SA approach.
 

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Still can not get my head around having to pay for a friend even if she fucks you. Buying clothes, nice places to eat... short term taking an escort to a nice dinner and have sex after fine, but long term.....

You've been reading too many fake news stories about sugar relationships. Based on my experience, your description of a sugar relationship is very misleading.

A man in an arrangement is not paying for a friend. No matter what the ads and the marketing say, Seeking Arrangement is a marketplace for sex. It is a kind of Uber or Airbnb for sex, except everything is negotiable. Men pay women for sex in an arrangement, just like when a man pays an escort for sex. But the terms of the deal are negotiated between the man and the woman and are not set by an agency or any preset hourly price list. The terms are infinitely negotiable but they tend to follow certain patterns as in any marketplace.

There is no requirement that men buy the women gifts, treat the women to expensive meals or take them on fabulous vacations. All of those things can and do happen in some arrangements and sometimes they never happen. BTW all those things can and do occasionally happen in a relationship with an escort.

There is no requirement that a sugar relationship become long term. My first arrangement lasted for 2 encounters, the second one lasted for 1 encounter and the third one has lasted for seven encounters so far and is ongoing. Even though the first two encounters did not lead to any long term relationship, they were still enjoyable. There were no negative consequences for me not offering to continue to meet the women involved.

In fact, if I had the budget I would probably have continued to meet with one of the women as well as my current SB. There is no assumption of exclusivity for either the man or the woman unless they negotiate that as part of the deal. The question has never come up for me. Do I care whether my current SB has another client or two? She might and I don't care, anymore than I care whether an escort has other clients. If a relationship becomes long term, it is because both parties find it to be mutually satisfying and convenient.


Where I live, good escorts of the type you can find in Montreal for CDN $220/hour (US $175/hour) cost at least US $300-400/hour, if you can find one. Now that there are virtually no reviews and limited advertising in the feminist utopia of the United States, it's that much more challenging to find the good ones. If you do find a good one, then you have to jump through hoops and sometimes pay $ to get verified (such as on P411). Actually meeting the escort can mean making a visit to a strange hotel where the staff have been brain washed by media and LE propaganda to be on the lookout for "sex traffickers" and their clients. If you're lucky, the escort will give you the full hour of time that you paid for but it's not unusual that you will be in and out in 45-50 minutes.

In contrast, as I have pointed out before, one of the big attractions of a sugar relationship is that it can be a good value financially. The upfront cost of a sugar relationship is $80 for a one month membership on SA. I met all 3 of my sb's during my most recent one month membership. Once you have a membership, you can exchange unlimited messages with a potential SB, view photos of her and both parties can get a feel for whether they click or not and whether they trust each other or not. The next step is an in-person meeting, typically in a mutually agreeable neutral location like a coffee shop. You buy the woman coffee and you never pay her for such a get-to-know you meeting (if she asks for payment to meet in person, you cross her off the list of potentials immediately). There is no escort in the world that would go through a process like that for free with a potential client.

While the women on SA all fantasize about a 4-figure monthly allowance (and some do get it), many of the women are perfectly happy to negotiate a fee per encounter. You should never discuss this on the SA message system because it's against the rules. Discuss a fee for each encounter when you meet in person or via text messages after you exchange numbers. In my case I reached agreement with all three for $250-300 per encounter (not per hour) with a clear understanding that an encounter would last at least 2 hours. All of my encounters have lasted 2-3 hours. A few of the longer meetings included lunch and then fun time at my home. Other meetings included social time (wine or coffee) and then fun time at my home.

None of the women that I've met could host me at their homes because all 3 are single moms who have full-time jobs. But meeting at my home is my preference anyway.

In sum, my encounters with SB's have closely resembled the kinds of encounters that I like to have with escorts, i.e. ones that last longer than just an hour and that include some social time and some fun time. I can afford to pay a Montreal escort US $350 for 2 hours but I don't want to pay a U.S. escort $600-800+ for a similar encounter. But I'm happy to pay my current SB $300 for a 2+ hour encounter because I find her to be more attractive, better performing and less jaded than most of the "real" escorts that I have met where I live. To quote Napoleon again: "In war as in prostitution, amateurs are often better than professionals." :D
 

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You're certainly correct, Louis, that SA is a marketplace for sex, but sex can be just a starting point in a relationship. My SB and I will hit the two year mark next week and our relationship has gone way beyond that. Good thing as I could "buy" sex on the open market for considerably less than I spend on her. Of course, it's also true that she's a whole lot cheaper than a "stay at home" wife and that we're only together for the good times and we don't spend so much time with each other that we hit overload.

She was quite clear from the very start that she's polyamorous as well as pan-sexual. I do know that she has neither the time nor inclination for another sugar relationship and that she has no interest in men her own age. While I assume that any other playing around she does is with other women, what she does erotically when we're not together and what I do has never been discussed.

I can say without reservation that this is the best relationship that I've ever had with a woman. Every minute has been a joy. Montreal, Prague, Berlin, London, New York, Vermont, Nova Scotia.

Back to Beav's SA primer, I agree totally, but for the omission. Writing a profile is step one and can go a long way in finding the right girl. I won't go into a lot of detail but mine ends with (paraphrasing) "if you're looking for someone to help with bills, living expenses, school loans, I might be the right guy. If you're looking for someone to lavish expensive baubles on you, you probably want to look elsewhere." My sweetheart knew beyond doubt when reading my profile that I was the guy for her. When she wrote me, I suspected from her handle that her letter was probably worth reading and I ponied up the $70 to do so. Best move I ever made.
 

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doesn't like guys her own age. She gets that they are all in debt and they can’t buy her clothes or take her out to eat. They will not lift up her standard of living. I take her to nice restaurants and have bought her nice clothes and she is eating up even the very mild spoiling I am giving her.
If I can add something: before I got back n the board...I was dating a stable lover and our boundaries was as straight as playing tennis or doing any sport together; you call me to play only and we play only....we were lovers, not even fuckfriends... I started dating him pretty quick after my ex so when he had several huge personal issues and wasn't in a playful mood anymore, I thought it shouldn't be easier than finding another stable and regular lovers who won't try to gradually overwhelm my personal life....wrong! They were all very comprehensive to my freedom's needs...with a kid dealing with special needs and me not being ready to introduce a man to her for a very long time and since she requested special needs to be responded, I didn't have much room for adding another person in my life....but they all lost their "complete understanding" days after I first chatted with them...many even before I had the time to see them even once.... this several types of "arrangments" set boundaries that helps to protect our privacy...keeping us away from dramas, insecurity, expectations, arguments, and heavy/negative stuffs that can drag us down in a personal relatioship leaded by feelings...

It is more of a cerebral relationship since the limits are supposed to be set (it can change over time....but shouldn't in a way that no one own something to the other emotionally wise)...while personal dates vary depending on the other's feelings toward us and there are no clear boundaries...less toxicity since the pivot is our rules as a "couple" and not biaised by jealousy or the possibility of changing our level of intimacy
 

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(7) Read your message before you hit send, and ask yourself if the reader is likely to be made to feel good about it, as opposed to feeling like a slab of meat.

That's great advice and it applies to speaking to escorts as well.
 

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Sounds like exploitation!

Oobe the women on the app are all adults using an adult app. Some have less experience than others. No different than some stock market investors are savvy and some are not. These ladies are investing in the value of their asses on the open market. Like a new publicly traded company it’s not clear initially what value will be. Value will be determined by market over time. I simply say that a good SA scout will identify talent and sign it cheap and early.

The Yankees scout who found Mariano Rivera paid him a pittance signing bonus. Was that exploitation? No. He recognized talent and signed it cheaply while it was young and undeveloped. What I do is no different. I am an SA talent scout and I am as good at it as the guy who signed Mariano Rivera for peanuts. Best relief pitcher ever but was signed as a scrawny 150 pound kid who hadn’t played against the big boys.

The younger women with no experience don’t know what they are worth so you have the chance to sign the next Mariano Rivera. If you spot such talent you can provide bonuses and if they accept it well no different than Mariano accepting his bonus, is it?
 
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