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FYI, SecretBenefits is a scam.
It gives you lots of messages from supposedly 20 year old girls, but you have to pay to read them, and once you have done that, you never hear from them again.
Whoever is creating these fake profiles and sending messages from them is clearly affiliated with the website since they profit from it.
It gives you lots of messages from supposedly 20 year old girls, but you have to pay to read them, and once you have done that, you never hear from them again.
Whoever is creating these fake profiles and sending messages from them is clearly affiliated with the website since they profit from it.
I've never tried Secret Benefits and I probably won't do so. However, as I have described here previously I have had some good luck on Seeking.
Having said that, I understand why not everyone likes sugar sites. And I especially understand why guys in Montreal would not want to waste time looking for a sugar baby in a town where great escorts are easily and safely available within minutes or hours, whenever you want one. (Though I will say that when I look at the girls from Montreal on Seeking, I would be tempted to at least give it a try sometime.)
Nevertheless, for some of us who are stuck living in a country that is in the grip of a vast and ever-worsening moral panic about prostitution and other aspects of sexuality (yet another anti-prostitution law was passed with bipartisan support last week), the sugar scene can be a relatively safe and rewarding outlet for fun.
As I've reported here before I've met and had encounters with a few women over the past year and one of them became a regular for me. Unfortunately that relationship seems to have come to an end.
I kind of saw the end coming. During the last couple of months she seemed less enthusiastic about meeting me and then she started being less reliable in communicating with me to set up meetings. Furthermore, I became aware a while ago that she was engaged in another relationship and I had become concerned that maybe it wasn't such a great idea to continue seeing a woman whose partner was probably not aware of her other "engagements."
So sensing that the end of the relationship was near, I reengaged with Seeking.com in search of a new partner. The membership fee of $89/month is high but you have to keep in mind that you usually only need a single month to find one or more new candidates for the job and that you can easily cancel your membership after a month.
Within a week of renewing my membership I found someone whom I think will take the place of my former regular.
She contacted me first (always a good sign). We exchanged a few messages and shared our private photos. She fit my preferred demographic, i.e. 30ish single mom, and her photos were pleasing. She is half-Filipina, half white (I like women of mixed ethnic backgrounds), pretty, with a nice body. We decided to meet for a get-to-know you lunch and that went well enough that we quickly came to an agreement on terms ($250 per encounter of 2 hours including social time and intimacy). So she came to my house the next day and we consummated the relationship. All in all things are off to a good start and I plan to see her again soon.
But I will be the first to admit that things don't go like that with most of the women on Seeking. Since I renewed my membership I have had some kind of contact with 15-20 women and all of those contacts led to nothing except for the one successful case. I can definitely understand how guys would get frustrated with such a situation. However, I am willing to put up with lots and lots of strikeouts in order to have a chance to hit a home run.
The reason that I put up with the frustration of Seeking is that, in the current atmosphere of hysteria in the U.S. about prostitution and sex, I find it safer, cheaper, better and ultimately easier to find good amateur escorts than professional ones. When I go back to Montreal, Germany or Asia, I will hire the pros. However, until then, I have been satisfied with my experience on Seeking.
Who is this wife that wouldn't notice excess money in the range of $24k a year mysteriously gone? My now ex wife rode my ass for a $12 Starbucks purchase wondering who the 2nd latte was for. A- my sister, B- bye, cya, didn't sign up for this!
What post are you responding to? Who said he was spending $24K/year on an SB? On an hourly basis, my spending on SBs is less than what I typically spend on escorts. That's part of the reason I like it.
I signed up for Seeking and I have to say I am enjoying just browsing the ladies. It is apparent to me that many are just hooking. It is so obvious I fear that they may be a police sting operation. I have not tried to forge an arrangement yet but that are plenty of targets.
Has anyone ever groomed a young lady into an arrangement relationship but you met her in person first instead of the Internet?
^^^^^^ Up 2. If you have not joined yet you could put you are 4' tall with full body hair except your head and no penis and you would still get girl requests. ... If I am correct then it costs to see who is interested in you.
^^^^^^ Same thing, a bot with a fake picture is replying, mention you have no teeth and scurvy, they will still want to meet you.
She sounds perfect. Since I am no longer a MSOG guy and I like some social time and cuddling, two hours for $250 is great. If I know my Filipinas, they like some cuddling.
There are some young, urban 20somethins' with looks and bodies built for sex on SA, but they seem to be either incredibly demanding or TGTBT. I'm thinking a more mature, single mom or a young girl two hours outside of the city who is bored might be just the thing. Some of the small town girls on SA seem like they legitimately want to be entertained. If she's a single mom, perhaps even better.
I met the (half) Filipina single mom for the second time last week and it was a good encounter. She's not "perfect," but she's a sweet, hot-blooded, good looking woman. She is affectionate and she provides a level of service that my previous SB didn't really provide. Sex with the Filipina is more like sex with a high performing escort.
She also accepted my invitation to go for quick lunch at a nice Asian restaurant (owned by a guy from Singapore) after our encounter. It was a nice midday break.
I met her shortly after rejoining the site and things moved quickly. Though I liked her from the start, I did stay somewhat active on SA for the rest of my one month membership by searching profiles and exchanging messages with several other women. But I didn't meet anyone else and I let my membership lapse after the one month. I'll stick with the Filipina for now and see how things go.
The single mom demographic on SA has proved to be a good one for me. One downside with them is that they usually can't meet nights or weekends. But I've been able to work around their schedules.
Hi all,
I haven't posted in a while but this thread has most definitely blossomed. I'd like to share my experience on SA in order to help others who are on the fence or maybe have already joined the site.
It's been roughly three years since I've joined. I've met many women on the site. Some were quick meet and greet lunches, drinks, coffees to see the vibe. Sometimes we'd click, other times not. I never paid for these types of meetings and was not interested either. Anyone who asks for money upfront to meet receives a resounding no. Many meet and greets were first time intimate encounters where you'd basically meet at a motel for the first time. And then pretty much never again. I lost interest in those rather quick. Over the past three years, I've met three remarkable women. One was the first girl I ever met on the site, in January 2016, and I am still friends with her. We haven't been intimate in a long time, but we do go for food and drink at least twice a year. Haven't heard from her in a while, though; she was likely expecting the intimacy to continue at one point, but the vibe for me had changed. Which is par for the course these days I guess. The second of three became a great friend in the end. I've known her for two years now. We had only been intimate four times but met often for coffee and lunches and drinks. She was not on the site for very long and I assume was looking for more of an emotional connection. She is dating and wants the whole marriage/children type of arrangement. We do message each other on a weekly basis and really get along superbly. The last of the three I've know for over a year and a half. She is the one I've been the most intimate with. It is time that we both move on at this point, for a variety of reasons, but still remain friends and touch base from time to time.
To summarize lol, I've assisted to the tune of $200 to $300 per meet, and usually my friends would stay the whole time the room was rented for. We'd always engage in great conversation, listen to music and have amazing fun. There are a lot of women on the site that are really just there for the money, some are definitely professionals. But there are quite a few diamonds in the rough that need assistance but also appreciate some form of emotional connection. There is no longer that much of a stigma attached to the SD/SB type of dating. The younger girls today are definitely more open-minded. I am followed/follow on Insta girls from the site that I haven't even met yet (dates are still in planning mode). Sooooo, my advice is to stay away from those who want to be paid to meet for supper, drinks, etc., meet the girl next door/student types who are happy to meet for a coffee or drink to see the vibe, do not discuss any particulars while messaging on the site (use a texting app or whatever other form of communication you both can agree on), and negotiate between 200 and 300 per meeting. The more interesting types would rather meet someone they vibe on a regular basis for what is still a decent amount of assistance, rather than waiting for the big prize that may never come in the end. And from what I've been told, some men on the site do scam the girls with fake gift cards, offering less money than agreed upon, not showing up for dates, etc. If you're a decent fellow and treat the women with respect, you'll definitely have the same experiences I've had. Good luck!!!
I haven't posted in a while but this thread has most definitely blossomed. I'd like to share my experience on SA in order to help others who are on the fence or maybe have already joined the site.
It's been roughly three years since I've joined. I've met many women on the site. Some were quick meet and greet lunches, drinks, coffees to see the vibe. Sometimes we'd click, other times not. I never paid for these types of meetings and was not interested either. Anyone who asks for money upfront to meet receives a resounding no. Many meet and greets were first time intimate encounters where you'd basically meet at a motel for the first time. And then pretty much never again. I lost interest in those rather quick. Over the past three years, I've met three remarkable women. One was the first girl I ever met on the site, in January 2016, and I am still friends with her. We haven't been intimate in a long time, but we do go for food and drink at least twice a year. Haven't heard from her in a while, though; she was likely expecting the intimacy to continue at one point, but the vibe for me had changed. Which is par for the course these days I guess. The second of three became a great friend in the end. I've known her for two years now. We had only been intimate four times but met often for coffee and lunches and drinks. She was not on the site for very long and I assume was looking for more of an emotional connection. She is dating and wants the whole marriage/children type of arrangement. We do message each other on a weekly basis and really get along superbly. The last of the three I've know for over a year and a half. She is the one I've been the most intimate with. It is time that we both move on at this point, for a variety of reasons, but still remain friends and touch base from time to time.
To summarize lol, I've assisted to the tune of $200 to $300 per meet, and usually my friends would stay the whole time the room was rented for. We'd always engage in great conversation, listen to music and have amazing fun. There are a lot of women on the site that are really just there for the money, some are definitely professionals. But there are quite a few diamonds in the rough that need assistance but also appreciate some form of emotional connection. There is no longer that much of a stigma attached to the SD/SB type of dating. The younger girls today are definitely more open-minded. I am followed/follow on Insta girls from the site that I haven't even met yet (dates are still in planning mode). Sooooo, my advice is to stay away from those who want to be paid to meet for supper, drinks, etc., meet the girl next door/student types who are happy to meet for a coffee or drink to see the vibe, do not discuss any particulars while messaging on the site (use a texting app or whatever other form of communication you both can agree on), and negotiate between 200 and 300 per meeting. The more interesting types would rather meet someone they vibe on a regular basis for what is still a decent amount of assistance, rather than waiting for the big prize that may never come in the end. And from what I've been told, some men on the site do scam the girls with fake gift cards, offering less money than agreed upon, not showing up for dates, etc. If you're a decent fellow and treat the women with respect, you'll definitely have the same experiences I've had. Good luck!!!
C72,
Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with your approach to SA and observations about it and they are similar to mine.
Like some of us, you seem to have the SA thing figured out. It's not that hard, but it is definitely more challenging than picking up the phone and ordering an escort in the same fashion that you would order a pizza. For some of us, the challenge is part of the fun and for others, that's a big reason not to try SA.
I like your observation that the women on SA seem to know that $200-300 per encounter is the going rate in many places. Well, even when there are restrictions on advertising, markets work well and prices get established at certain levels.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with your approach to SA and observations about it and they are similar to mine.
Like some of us, you seem to have the SA thing figured out. It's not that hard, but it is definitely more challenging than picking up the phone and ordering an escort in the same fashion that you would order a pizza. For some of us, the challenge is part of the fun and for others, that's a big reason not to try SA.
I like your observation that the women on SA seem to know that $200-300 per encounter is the going rate in many places. Well, even when there are restrictions on advertising, markets work well and prices get established at certain levels.
Het guys,
It is probably already posted before in this thread, but I have no time to look it up...sorry...
How the beginning looks? Like with an escort and it gets more regular/stable as time goes? A drink in a public place at lower cost, just to see if it can work out? tc
Anything else you find interesting to let a newbie know is more than welcomed!
:kiss:
It is probably already posted before in this thread, but I have no time to look it up...sorry...
How the beginning looks? Like with an escort and it gets more regular/stable as time goes? A drink in a public place at lower cost, just to see if it can work out? tc
Anything else you find interesting to let a newbie know is more than welcomed!
:kiss:
I think they are talking about having a drink and meet up for the first time for free. That is, the SD buys the beverage. I imagine that this would have to be a tough pill for some escorts to swallow that want to dabble in the SB/SD relationships.
fly my advice is to avoid monthly cost. Too easy for the girl to collect monthly only to then find excuse to miss sessions...
the cost are entirely define by you and her. I had many girls who quoted me 300-400 an hour and up... More then agency sp, especially in montreal. On the north shore i had great findings at 150-200 per sessions. I did trid to talk about sessions or meet up with girl so no real time was defined.
One thing with SA you need to be able to do outcall, meaning the girl will come to you.
cheers,
OMG! Per my own experience, it's not a good idea to pay in advance! I'm done with this and only pay the lady when she show up at my place!
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