I am afraid we are derailing from the main topic but I am glad to see that Montreal is blessed with open minded gentlemen
My family is not broken
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I agree with Patron’s 1 and 2 above and would add a #3 which is a subcategory of #2:
3. Savior Complex- believes all escorts are in a social and economic turmoil from which they need to be “saved” or “rescued”
3. Savior Complex- believes all escorts are in a social and economic turmoil from which they need to be “saved” or “rescued”
It amazes me how SB seem to think they are better than escorts and talk themselves into that they are not screwing for money.
Then you have the SD that talk themselves into that it is a loving relationship better than marriage and they are in effect also not fucking for money but helping someone further their education and mentoring and they are not in effect with a prostitute.
I prefer the honesty of the escort world and the ease of getting to an agreement.
You can have an ATF where you have a special connection and you both look forward to seeing each other, and go out of your way to please each other, I believe I have that, but there is no pretence, no illusion, we both know that if you remove the $$ the “love” is over.
I agree that society is bombarded with this nonsense that all escorts have been abused or trafficked, or come from a broken home, forced into a drug environment and it is up to society to save them from this.
It is amazing, but also true, and you can't go onto websites like SA unmindful of this fact. Rule number 1 on SA is never ever mention the word "hotel" as a location for a possible rendevouz. There is a language that one must use on SA that is different than the language one would use speaking to escorts. While this is necessary to indulge the supposed and arguably artificial distinction between SBs and escorts, it is also the reality of playing the game successfully. You either play the game to succeed or (IMHO) you need to get out of the game. There is no in between- the in between guys are just pissing money out. It doesn't need to make sense. It just needs to work.
Sometimes the arrangement is called "marriage." The only difference is that the sugar baby doesn't have bitching rights.
I think you guys are right, I have helped countless of woman to find sugar daddies and at least 5 of them told me "but I don't want to do this or that, I'm not a sex worker".
I usually just smile and try to forget that they shamed the person helping them
I usually just smile and try to forget that they shamed the person helping them
Not all wifes are bitches and some of them are actually with you because they are in love and just as crazy about you as you are about them.
Go figure, not everybody ends up in a fucked up marriage. There are exceptional and wonderful women out there, you just need to treat them right and appreciate them.
With a SB however you are certain that you are being fucked for money, enjoy.
Give me the escort anytime at least she is honest and only does role play that you ask for.
Fradi,
If I had to do a survey on the divorce cases in my office I would say a very high % are due to financial issues. When the money dried up, so did the love. To believe that otherwise is the case is naive thinking. Rumples’ marriages failed for reasons other than financial, I am pretty sure.
The reasons you give for using escorts over SB are a bit naive. It’s true that there is an artificial distinction between the two, but as best I can tell the main difference is that SBs don’t want the pressure of having sex on a first date, as do escorts. That they will allow intimacy after several dates in their minds distinguishes them from escorts, but doesn’t necessarily make them dishonest. It’s strictly a comfort level thing- they don’t wanna fuck creeps or guys who make them uncomfortable, which is their right. While I agree with you somewhat about the artificiality of the distinction, on some level, it doesn’t bother me in the least. To me it’s more challenging, and the fact that a SB is seeing one guy at a time (or at least on the day you have an intimate date) in my mind means something. One thing it means, to be blunt, is I know I will not be the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy she has seen that day. There is also the companionship time benefit, which usually levels the financial playing field with an escort. The one intimate SB I saw in Montreal I paid $300 for a 4 hour dinner date. Do the math. That’s $75 an hour. Who is paying more? It’s not always going down that way, but many times it does.
If I had to do a survey on the divorce cases in my office I would say a very high % are due to financial issues. When the money dried up, so did the love. To believe that otherwise is the case is naive thinking. Rumples’ marriages failed for reasons other than financial, I am pretty sure.
The reasons you give for using escorts over SB are a bit naive. It’s true that there is an artificial distinction between the two, but as best I can tell the main difference is that SBs don’t want the pressure of having sex on a first date, as do escorts. That they will allow intimacy after several dates in their minds distinguishes them from escorts, but doesn’t necessarily make them dishonest. It’s strictly a comfort level thing- they don’t wanna fuck creeps or guys who make them uncomfortable, which is their right. While I agree with you somewhat about the artificiality of the distinction, on some level, it doesn’t bother me in the least. To me it’s more challenging, and the fact that a SB is seeing one guy at a time (or at least on the day you have an intimate date) in my mind means something. One thing it means, to be blunt, is I know I will not be the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy she has seen that day. There is also the companionship time benefit, which usually levels the financial playing field with an escort. The one intimate SB I saw in Montreal I paid $300 for a 4 hour dinner date. Do the math. That’s $75 an hour. Who is paying more? It’s not always going down that way, but many times it does.
EB,
I am not naive at all, I speak from close to 40 years of experience.
I am not a newbie in matters of love, marriage, or knowing what women like and how to treat them.
If you don’t believe me ask some of the escorts I see.
I will certainly not take advice form people that have never had that experience or have managed to fuck up every serious relationship they have ever had.
I have no interest or patience for a SB relationship.
I am not disputing your experience with SB if that is what you like and have patience for it more power to you,
What I don’t like is the attitude of both SB and SD which Patron touched upon is that they somehow believe that they are better and in a better class than Escorts or Johns or basically their shit doesn’t stink.
Get real you are still getting fucked for money, you don’t need a survey or a law degree to figure that out.
I am not naive at all, I speak from close to 40 years of experience.
I am not a newbie in matters of love, marriage, or knowing what women like and how to treat them.
If you don’t believe me ask some of the escorts I see.
I will certainly not take advice form people that have never had that experience or have managed to fuck up every serious relationship they have ever had.
I have no interest or patience for a SB relationship.
I am not disputing your experience with SB if that is what you like and have patience for it more power to you,
What I don’t like is the attitude of both SB and SD which Patron touched upon is that they somehow believe that they are better and in a better class than Escorts or Johns or basically their shit doesn’t stink.
Get real you are still getting fucked for money, you don’t need a survey or a law degree to figure that out.
Got to be careful with this statement. SESTA/FOSTA will shut down the websites. The US is on a moral war to prohibit all sex in exchange for money.
Really,!!, You think the politicians that implemented SESTA/FOSTA haven’t figured that out, more than likely a good number of them have SB and they don’t want to fuck it up and get caught.
Didn’t I say 2 or 3 times something about the distinction being artificial? My post on this topic is the only one that is real and based on significant experience seeing both escorts and SBs.
You are citing Patron, a guy who has never seen a SB in his life and has never been on SA and never will. He doesn’t know what he is talking about as far as the generalization that SBs feel superior to escorts. While they don’t think of themselves as escorts, I don’t equate that to necessarily a feeling of superiority. That’s his implication and not based on actual real
life experience. There are many advantages to using SBs and I have spelled them out. If there weren’t people here wouldn’t be seeing them.
Strangely missing from that dissertation is an actual analysis of the board rules of Seeking Arrangement which actually DO serve as a legal barrier, contrary to what is written in that post.
That article seems preoccupied with pointing out the artificiality of the distinction without looking at the male side of the equation which is that there is value in some of the things spelled out on the “ornamentation”.
That article seems preoccupied with pointing out the artificiality of the distinction without looking at the male side of the equation which is that there is value in some of the things spelled out on the “ornamentation”.
The so called use of coded language is bullshit. Most savvy users of SA use messaging to get to know someone, not to discuss transactional stuff. Numbers are exchanged and transactions happen off the website on text messaging apps. Intimacy details get discussed in person. That’s the real world. Only half brained persons do what is suggested in that dissertation.
The website to a large disclaimer stating that the SB site is not for escorts and is not a site for prostitution. Read again. All this means everything has to be done on the low. Ask some Merbites what happened to them when they were too direct to asking for sex for money. Politicians do it all for show they want to make sure to get the social conservative and Evangelical votes.
I have never disputed this and if this is what you or anybody else wants it is your life.
I simply said I don’t have the patience for it and am not interested, perfectly happy with the escorts I see.
There are many that see escorts so obviously there is a market for that also.
My point is simply the attitude of both SB and SD as they make out as if they are superior and it is not all about money.
Their attitudes just want to make me puke or laugh.
Read Kayla’s last post, she explains this perfectly and I think she has seen both sides from the women’s point.
It doesn’t go down the way suggested by those posts. Messaging is a means to get someone’s number. Once you get a phone number you set up an initial meet. Once you meet you tell the SB what you want and what you will pay. In person! She agrees or not. It’s not like suggested in that article at all. This is what happens when you have people with no actual Sugar experience being allowed to write dissertations and comment on the industry. There are a lot of general statements in that dissertation that are true, but it’s not authoritative or correct on some points.
Another thing that is not mentioned is that SA enables you to screen the women you are seeing - both in terms of looks (facial and body pics) and how a lady presents herself in writing. With a strip club that is FS you have that opportunity, but not with most escorts. And there is no discussion of this at all. It’s very important to many men who are visual and look for a certain type.
What dream world are you living in.
Read every escort’s website ( even most in Canada where selling is legal) they all say money is for their time only.
A disclaimer on every website, yet they still get arrested for prostitution.
Back page and all the others that have been closed had disclaimers also.
Nobody is that naive or stupid not to know what this is all about, it takes time and money to find the loop hole to close it down.
Dont kid yourself that there aren’t people working on it.
You are right however that politicians do it all for show and votes and ultimately power.
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