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EagerBeaver said:
I also thought the Roenick suspension was an overreaction.

Regarding that Rielly interview, at that time there was a debate over whether Matthews or Patrik Laine should be the overall #1 pick. Many hockey experts really thought you could roll the dice, pick one and not go wrong. They have both proven to be point a game players, so the experts were largely proven correct. These 2 players could be traded for each other straight up, and neither GM could really dare ask for more in return.
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There was never any debate. Auston Matthews was the clear #1 and had been for at least two years. The main reason why was because he plays center. As for Laine earlier in the year he was slated for the #3 slot behind Jesse Puljujarvi. But a strong world juniors tournament increased the interest on Laine since he had outperformed his countryman at that tournament. As the season went on Laine's stock continued to climb but not enough to surpass Matthews as the clear #1 favorite. Meanwhile Puljujarvi's stock continued to go down and he was eventually selected behind Pierre-Luc Dubois and ended up being selected 4th overall.

There are many high-scoring wingers in the NHL. But a high-scoring center doesn't come along very often and that's why you hang onto them if you're lucky enough to end up with one. Were Laine a center and Matthews a winger then Laine quite possibly could have ended up being the #1 overall pick. But he's just a winger.
 
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But Matthews is a center who just scores goals. He is a right wing who plays center. Why are you making a big deal out of a sheep in wolf's clothing?
 
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A little bit nuts at times but you got to love this guys passion .... nobody in the league does postgame press conference like Torts , pure entertainment and guaranteed to get your money’s worth lol
Can’t say if he’s a good enough tactician but I bet he gives some really fiery speech’s in the locker room EB
 
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EagerBeaver said:
But Matthews is a center who just scores goals. He is a right wing who plays center. Why are you making a big deal out of a sheep in wolf's clothing?
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You obviously have never seen him play. He does a whole lot more than just score goals. He's a heck of a playmaker and the pass he made the other night to Marner was just sick! And he's not just a center. He's a natural center. Plus he also wins the majority of his faceoffs....

p.s. Plus he shoots left. This would make him more of a left winger than a right winger.
 
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Doc,

Name one other top flight "center" in the NHL who has more goals than assists. McDavid? Way more assists than goals. Draisaitl? Way more assists than goals. MacKinnon? Way more assists than goals. Name one good TRUE center who has more goals than assists?

Matthews is a wing- take your pick which side- who has been labelled a Center. Some guys are labelled as something but we need to look past artificial labels and see guys for who and what they really are. Was David Ortiz a first baseman? No. His position was DH.

Hockey centers are discussed here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_(ice_hockey)

"Generally, centres are expected to be gifted passers more than goal scorers............"


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He's a heck of a playmaker and the pass he made the other night to Marner was just sick![/I]
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His stats say Matthews is a goal scoring wing. He thinks about scoring first and passing later. Proof of that is in the stats. They do not lie. He has 6 more goals than assists. That's a lot and too much to be considered a center. The Maple Leafs should just officially make him a wing and start calling him a goal scorer. This might mean they pay less when the time comes for his free agency.

Just ask Gaby and he will tell you the same thing- the center is supposed to pass the puck and create scoring opportunities for others before himself.
 
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EB, since you never played hockey in your life & only saw your first hockey game when you were in your 40's i'll give you a pass re: Matthews not being a true center and thinking he could easily play the wing.

Ask Max Domi if he's effective playing the wing. He's a zero playing the wing but a very good player when he's back playing at his normal centre position. Saying that Auston Matthews isn't a real centre is saying the same thing about Mario Lemieux, Wayne Gretzky, Bryan Trottier, Phil Esposito, Sidney Crosby, Steve Yzerman, Bobby Clarke and Mark Messier, among others.

This is professional hockey. Not baseball where anyone can literally be put into any fielding position other than catcher. Sure Matthews could be inserted as a winger one of these days. But his production would likely dramatically decline if this were to happen. Same thing if Mitchell Marner would be inserted at centre instead of his usual forward position.

Good thing you're not coaching my team! lol
 
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Supposedly the Oilers have a new game plan for tonight, we will see.
 
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Doc I agree with you on Matthews. But coaching the Leafs I would still play him at wing with Tavares as center. I like team with a huge power trio. And these 2 could be more powerful together.
 
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Well at least the Oilers won, they did a little line switching, Neal and Hopkins each got 4 points, almost tanked in the 3rd.
 
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With the win the Oilers have slipped back into the playoffs (if the season ends today), whereas the Rangers are tied with Montreal with 42 points (but with game in hand), 7 points out of playoff position:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/standings/_/view/wild-card

As I predicted around a month ago, Montreal was passed in the standings by both Tampa Bay and Toronto. Nobody here in their right mind could claim that this was any kind of surprise. So now you have 5 teams, Florida, Columbus, NY Rangers, Montreal and Buffalo, all within 4 points of each other, all in a dogfight for 1 wild card spot currently held by Philadelphia with 49 points.

Meanwhile the Oilers have 4 teams within 4 points of them to seize that last western wild card, those teams being Calgary, the other Albertan team, which is right behind Edmonton, Minnesota, Nashville and Chicago.

We are at the halfway point of the season right now so the teams that have work to do need to start doing that work.
 
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jalimon said:
Doc I agree with you on Matthews. But coaching the Leafs I would still play him at wing with Tavares as center. I like team with a huge power trio. And these 2 could be more powerful together.
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I was thinking about this over the past couple of days and you read my thoughts about Matthews. I was wrong earlier by stating that his stats would considerably decline if he were to play the wing. A player with Matthews' talent could as easily play on the wing but the thing is there aren't that many top-notch natural centres around the league. Putting Matthews on the wing (instead of his natural centre position) would be a waste of talent.

But he does play the wing with Tavares as his centre on the team's #1 powerplay unit. But you can't put him next to Tavares for the rest of the game since you no longer would have balanced lines. You need two top scoring lines, a good two-way checking line and then the fourth line to do the odd shift in order to give the other three lines a breather once in a while. Putting Matthews on the Tavares line would leave the other scoring line bare and ineffective. And it would in return hurt the Tavares line since the opposing teams would concentrate putting their top checkers against the Tavares line. As things are like now the Matthews line and the Tavares lines are as good as the other and team's struggle to figure out ways to stop them.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
He must have done something embarrassing while drunk which led to his firing. You can't fire someone simply for being an alcoholic needing to enter rehab.
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Exactly as its simply against the law, at least in Canada. Alcoholism is a disease. Actually its the only way to confront someone affected by it in your workplace.. to say you cannot fire him until he gets treated...
 
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Doc Holliday said:
He must have done something embarrassing while drunk which led to his firing. You can't fire someone simply for being an alcoholic needing to enter rehab.
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At the time of his termination, the Stars called it "unprofessional conduct".........nobody knew what was meant by that until now. What specific drunken behavior it was doesn't matter at this point.
 
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Note.....congrats to TEAM CANADA for winning the WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP vs RUSSIA.....what a game and comeback...:clap2::clap2::clap2:
 
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