New members, lurkers, fake engagement, reviews.

[hob12]

Since I don't see indies much I didn't vote in that section of the polls.

So I want everybody to know that I'm open to bribes still and I'm a very easy man.

 

[Valentina]

People just can’t read, especialy rules stuff. I dont believe they ALL tried to sneak in uneligible reviews intentionaly.



I dont buy your claim, like not even a second. The contest is biased, I’ve mentioned it and got a warning. But not in the way you are puting it, no way. So far, as I look at the standings in the indy votes, the girls that are in the top 3 are definately among the best if not the best SWs in MTL as we speak, regardless of how much they charge.

No, I dont get freebies from anybody, I never been asked to write a review neither. The most I got was some incredible expériences.

Who has stats on number of merb users?
Exactly.

The polls don't represent reality.
It's a small sample that participate.

Conclusion: the polls are BS

Sorry to burst your bubble capt’n. Also has nothing to do with indies lmao.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

The polls don't represent reality.

The polls represent the reality of the ones that participâtes, nothing more nothing less.
Allow me to reiterate, the indies that are leading the vote are certainly among the best providers available on merb’s ads.

There might be "only" 100-200 voters but it is what it is and you know what? according to my experience and the infos I can gather during the year they are pretty much bang on, year after year, whether you like it or not. You can rant and cry wolf as much as you want but it wont change the fact that, for us, the johns, it is a valuable ranking on which we can guide our choices, based on common taste and services that we share.

 

[Valentina]

Allow me to reiterate, the indies that are leading the vote are certainly among the best providers available on merb’s ads.

I know… I licked @April Dyson ’s asshole with a piece of chocolate in her ass during a duo. You don’t have to tell me she’s the best. I’ll do it again and I’ll gladly pay her. She also values the health stuff like me. LOVE that.

There might be "only" 100-200 voters but it is what it is and according to my experience and the infos I can gather during the year you know what? They are pretty much bang on, year after year, whether you like it or not.

Whether you like it or not too, Capt’n - you may also comment and rant back at me, but it won’t change the fact that, for us Janes, favouritism happens.

You can rant and cry wolf as much as you want but it wont change the fact that,for us, the johns, it is a valuable ranking on which we can guide our choices, based on common taste and services that we share.

But who says I’m crying... if anything I’m laughing. And this is becoming ridiculous. I don’t wanna win this contest and will keep self excluding myself every year until I retire (set your calendars lol party)

You’re an elder (which I love) you should know better also based on the types of reviews that are out there along with poll stats, and a realistic no LalaLand outlook on these things. I understand more and more now how women don’t want to be reviewed or involved on this forum.

I’m sorry to sound brash but please realize that favouritism does indeed happen. Just like in an office setting / teacher’s pet.
It’s a super subjective contest and not even serious- but some girls take it seriously, some aren’t even on the list! I might be a new hoe here, but I ain’t fkn dumb. And I know when I see BS.

The more I think about it the more I laugh because it’s like employee of the month. But with a different spin on it hahah! Anyways. May the odds be in everyone’s *authentic* (not lol) favours.

 

[Workingman]

I'm glad to see this debate is still warm.

The more I think about it the more I laugh because it’s like employee of the month. But with a different spin on it hahah! Anyways. May the odds be in everyone’s *authentic* (not lol) favours.

How dare you tarnish the best providers. These poor girls sucked dick all year for this moment and you want to discredit them. In the end the best will be crowned and everyone will be reminded of who the absolute best providers are.

 

[Valentina]

I'm glad to see this debate is still warm.

How dare you tarnish the best providers. These poor girls sucked dick all year for this moment and you want to discredit them. In the end the best will be crowned and everyone will be reminded of who the absolute best providers are. View attachment 87306

LMFAO. Amazing!!! Yes yes. No ReGretas. I can’t wait till someone makes another thread about something else so we can all quibble over there. lol
À la prochaine chicane

 

[Workingman]

Manyvidsjust had a similar vote. Noticed in my IG feed women begging for votes daily for weeks. The system there is anyone could vote once per day for thier favorite content creators for each catagory, or buy extra votes per day (up to 100 I think). When you buy votes the content creators see who you are and reward you with stuff like videos or customs or whatever . It's a very good system and gives everyone an equal chance in every catagory. I can't wait to see who wins.

 

[Valentina]

Manyvidsjust had a similar vote. Noticed in my IG feed women begging for votes daily for weeks. The system there is anyone could vote once per day for thier favorite content creators for each catagory, or buy extra votes per day (up to 100 I think). When you buy votes the content creators see who you are and reward you with stuff like videos or customs or whatever . It's a very good system and gives everyone an equal chance in every catagory. I can't wait to see who wins.

Supplying a link to the contest on socials is great. Lots of shadow banning also out there, so it’s good to remind fans about these things. That is a really good system for online content creation! I love me some good marketing

Daily grifting / begging for votes is a turn off tho hahah.

 

[Enjoying life]

LMFAO. Amazing!!! Yes yes. No ReGretas. I can’t wait till someone makes another thread about something else so we can all quibble over there. lol
À la prochaine chicane

Valentina the best Gem around! I feel her! Good stuff!

 

[Workingman]

Daily grifting / begging for votes is a turn off tho hahah.

This brings it back full circle to on topic. It actually is the core of the clients side of this debate.

We understand it's a business, but do you seriously think we want to be advertised to? Do you think we want reviews to be more like ads?

There are some SPs that advertise here, and even engage in conversations regularily without plugging themselves constantly and talking about how thier business is doing. It's probably telling none of them have entered this conversation actually.

For me personally the interaction and showing your personality is selling and the obvious advertising is a turn off.
Idk if other clients would agree or not.

What the fuck ever happened to kayfabe?

 

[urquell]

As far as these awards go everyone knows they're a joke and nobody with a lick of sense or experience takes them at face value. I have about as much faith in the process or results of the awards contests as I do in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy and I ignore it completely as pretty much a waste of time better used elsewhere. Having said that, after all of the complaining about how the contest is handled, and how there's favoritism, and how some girls are over-represented and it's not fair, makes you wonder why the OP (or on behalf of others) is asking for exactly the same treatment that is the cause of the complaints. "Those girls are getting an unfair advantage and I want it too, except this time on behalf of some of the other girls." At least we know the contest is the catalyst for all of this now.

it would help ALL OF US SPs. Especially in times of a “contest”

I hear a lot about not caring about the contest, not being in it, etc, which is fine, because hey, the contest is ridiculous, but then why does the OP make a specific point of asking for reviews at this time? Also, if it's bad for some SPs to be getting unfair advantages and benefits, then how is it suddenly better for all the other SPs to get those same unfair benefits and advantages? Everybody cheating makes it ok? And who are those "benefits" to the detriment of? A quick perusal of this thread will tell you in pretty good detail. I'll give you a hint. It's not the SPs.

You have to see why the guys think there's a logic disconnect here.

 

[Valentina]

it would help ALL OF US SPs. Especially in times of a “contest” lol.

But…….

Which should be authentic and not coerced.

You left this part out. See? Selective reading!
I’m clearly talking about pitching in… not talking about going to write reviews all of a sudden?
You’re confounding information.

As far as these awards go everyone knows they're a joke and nobody with a lick of sense or experience takes them at face value.

Some members really do and it’s hilarious!

Having said that, after all of the complaining about how the contest is handled, and how there's favoritism, and how some girls are over-represented and it's not fair, the OP (or or behalf of others) is asking for exactly the same treatment that are the cause of the complaints. "These other girls are getting an unfair advantage and I want it too, except this time on behalf of some of the other girls."

First and foreskin,
I’m zero complaining. I cannot stand complainers.

Secondly,
No one talks about real shit. Everyone thinks what they see here is legit, they think all reviews are 100% real hahah. If there’s any thing you said that was true here it’s the meme you made. SPOT ON.
- for sure some girls offer freebies for reviews
- girls begging for votes through their website when last years winner or participants didn’t do any of that. Just fyi.
- small sample participating

Some votes are REAL and authentic, not saying every vote isn’t.

At least we know the contest is the catalyst for all of this now.

Honestly at this point I really don’t give a flying fig. It’s what people believe vs. what I believe.

I talk about real stuff and bring a SP perspective none of you guys get usually because SPs wanna avoid quibbling with “clients”. I like great convos.

I’m talking to you guys beyond my “job” to bring awareness to what we see from behind the scenes. I don’t have to pitch in. But I do.

Some of you are starting to use a condescending tone with me and it’s not appreciated. I don’t care if you’re not happy with what I’m saying - I don’t do emotional responses. Everyone can relax if it’s not that serious.

I hear a lot about not caring about the contest, not being in it, etc, which is fine, because hey, the contest is ridiculous, but then why make a specific point of asking for reviews at this time?

I’ll repeat myself for the 69th time.
My OP talks about me wanting to bring in clients / new members from fast food sites like Leolist because my regulars or new clients don’t have the slightest knowledge this forum exists (beyond reviews lol. It’s a great tool I’m serious.)

However, if I do introduce people - everyone here becomes suspicious about new members. It’s a vicious cycle.
People who CAN leave reviews don’t.
That is all. Not ASKING for reviews …
I want authenticity as you might think differently. Some members play favourites.

It’s a mixture of everything that ties in together.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Some members really do and it’s hilarious!

I agree with Urquell and with Valentina. I do believe they are a joke but are taken very seriously by some posters. To me it's kind of like a high school type popularity contest.

 

[Valentina]

I agree with Urquell and with Valentina. I do believe they are a joke but are taken very seriously by some posters. To me it's kind of like a high school type popularity contest.

Yeah!
Someone mentioned this earlier in the thread how girls get “so busy” when they get new (romanticized) reviews that no one can book them LOL. (Mor BS)

These titles can get to some women’s heads very quickly lol.

 

[Valentina]

I missed this. And it was probably a good thing I did

We understand it's a business, but do you seriously think we want to be advertised to? Do you think we want reviews to be more like ads?

No. It’s about pitching in if you can.
Repeat #70th time.

There are some SPs that advertise here, and even engage in conversations regularily without plugging themselves constantly and talking about how thier business is doing. It's probably telling none of them have entered this conversation actually.

Oh I agree.
There’s some that are always active on here lmao and that’s also okay. But this ain’t to plug stuff. I chime in from time to time for lolz, real talk, politics and conspiracy.

What SPs do on their free time doesn’t equate to them not being busy. We can be sick, have our periods, (water issue currently at my building / can’t work) and waste time the way we want to hahahah.

Like your username, I am a Workingwoman.

For me personally the interaction and showing your personality is selling and the obvious advertising is a turn off.
Idk if other clients would agree or not.

I’m not advertising here. Love it when people think that’s what I’m *trying to do*

My ads are on my profile.
We’re in the lounge area. It’s open discussion for everyone.

 

[Workingman]

@Valentina I just meant less is more

 

[Valentina]

@Valentina I just meant less is more

People bring their points while often attacking me. I’m not gonna not respond and be a cuck.

 

[talkinghead]

This thread is a logician's nightmare. I don't think it needs to be this messy.

-- We seem to agree that the contests are flawed. I don't think that matters much to the veterans out here, who know how to navigate them. For me, they're just one more piece of the research puzzle, and I take all the pieces with a grain of salt. It clearly does matter to some SPs, who think the contests should be more fair. As it may impact their business, I can understand this position.

-- For those who are concerned about the fairness of the contests, the question then becomes: how can they be made more fair? The answer, I think, lies in the structure of the voting system. If we care, we might have a reasonable discussion about how to make it more fair. My guess is that most members don't really care--I don't-- but I can understand why some people see it as a legitimate problem.

--I can't see that having some SPs encourage their own clients to write reviews makes the contests fairer in any way at all. It may help their own business but it doesn't help make the contests more fair. As @urquell has pointed out, that only reinforces the flawed system. If nothing else, that would disadvantage any SP who doesn't follow MERB or doesn't encourage their clients to review. The answer is to change the system, not to game it.

--That said, if SPs want to encourage their clients to write reviews, go ahead. Same as it ever was. And if it brings in more long-term MERB contributors, then great. (I don't think I've ever had an SP ask me to write a review.)

--Reviews sometimes are mean, unfair, untrue, and upsetting to SPs. I hate that. Perhaps the mods can be quicker to address unethical reviews. I don't know. Lots of people (doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc) have jobs where they get reviewed online, often anonymously. Mean people suck.

-- I have to say that I don't understand the meandering arguments about new reviewers. Anyone who makes an account and immediately writes a review is welcome on this board, and I hope they stick around and write many more reviews. It seems obvious, however, that a review from a new account doesn't carry the same weight as a review from an experienced MERB member. It doesn't mean that the review is necessarily a shill but it means that we don't have any way to evaluate the review. That's true of any site that reviews a service or product.

 

[Valentina]

This thread is a logician's nightmare. I don't think it needs to be this messy.

Omfg. Yes.

Same as it ever was.

As your username states

Thank you @talkinghead for keeping a cool head.
You make amazing points.

 

[urquell]

That said, if SPs want to encourage their clients to write reviews, go ahead. Same as it ever was. And if it brings in more long-term MERB contributors, then great. (I don't think I've ever had an SP ask me to write a review.)

I have to say that I don't understand the meandering arguments about new reviewers. Anyone who makes an account and immediately writes a review is welcome on this board, and I hope they stick around and write many more reviews. It seems obvious, however, that a review from a new account doesn't carry the same weight as a review from an experienced MERB member. It doesn't mean that the review is necessarily a shill but it means that we don't have any way to evaluate the review.

part of the issue isn't just that new members were reviewing, which is of course welcome by everyone, but that SPs were complaining that even if they review they're not being taken seriously, which is diluting or eliminating the positive effect the SPs are looking for. The SP point of view is that a positive review should be accepted at face value because of course they had a positive experience and naturally such people are more likely to leave reviews. Negative reviews should of course be thoroughly investigated and then dismissed. From the members point of view we've seen this a thousand times before, where the one and only post a member makes in their 10 year membership is to come in and make a positive review of a particular SP. Of course no one takes it seriously.. It's obvious why. I think it really all comes down to a preference based on point of view and perceived benefit. Again the SPs and the members are slightly at odds here. There's more direct ways to say this, but they'd be undiplomatic and I'll refrain from doing so. I suppose that most of the board usually arrives at opinion by concensus of reviews mostly disregarding the newbie reviews. Of course newbies don't stay newbies and anybody re-reading the review for an SP or reading it for the first time 6 months down the road will take it more seriously if the newbie now has a track record from posting during their membership, particularly if the quality of posts/insights/reviews is good. SPs would prefer an immediate benefit accrual. So, it's not just whether new reviewers come on board or not, but how they're going to benefit who and when.

Reviews sometimes are mean, unfair, untrue, and upsetting to SPs. I hate that. Perhaps the mods can be quicker to address unethical reviews. I don't know. Lots of people (doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc) have jobs where they get reviewed online, often anonymously. Mean people suck.

This is a slippery slope. Of course you want to control BS reviews, but what does being mean constitute? And how much input does either the board or the SP have in discrediting reviews? You have the same problem at the back end as you do at the front. Real review or not? Does it get eliminated or edited? I tend to agree with you, but I'm also very wary of what measures might be taken, or what criteria are used, as again it could create a selection bias. As it is I tend to think there's already a slight bias, but I admit to being cynical.