Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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Sheila? If not mistaken, she’d be Sam’s sister. Which would have me think he’s still involved in some or form. I was a big fan of XO in their prime years, say 2015-2018. Got to know two of the girls very well during that time. I had one or two sour conversations with Sam and that was it for me.
Noémie, not Sheila. I don’t even use these agencies and already figured this out, easy and simple maths!
BookerL.
The most obnoxious poster on this board.
When he left or was banned from here don’t know which he was a staple on the Blue board.
I think he was also part owner of one of the agencies as well.
If I am not mistaken, I think Forever, as well as Socia, opened after XO closed.
Yeah and the agency he was flogging constantly which I think he was either the owner of or part owner was Nadya’s
I noticed that Mia hasn't posted/interacted for a while. Remember when Forever started, she was posting in X (AKA Twitter) about jokes and funny experience with clients. I don't pay attention to this but does anyone knows if she has done booking lately?
Don't any of you remember at some point Forever was closed for a day? Knowing the agency was among the former staff of XO it made sense to me as i knew a bit about the XO story (trough back channels) but was asked to not mention it. And yes i noticed "Mia" was posting a lot on Twitter and at some point it just stopped. Was it when she was busted? i dunno. Recently Twitter been going hard against escorts profiles. Lots of indies i been following for years wich never had any issues have been banned. So probably the Forever and Mia personal profile been axed too, but i do recall there was Mia, Jason and another person wich had profiles linked to Forever.
Out of curiosity i looked at Forever posting history and noticed that today there is no specification on who is booking. In the past there was always a name. 13 pages seem to be the maximum you can see by simply looking at a profile history (you have to manually search for older posts) but i noticed several names like Laura, Sophia, Molly and a few others (all women) with no sign of Mia or Jason.
The truth is if the police wanted to bust all the agencies in Montreal they could had done so a long time ago. They deliberately CHOSE to let them run business. Maybe because to them its easier to keep an eye on it that way and its safer for the women. The question is "will this situation with XO make them change their stance on this?".
Its 2 different domains but i can draw a parrallel, it remind me a bit of illegal downloading. Everytime a website is busted another open up. They may go after the owner of said site (but never after the users) and a new one will take its place. So lets say they would shut down every major agencies who operate "in the public eye". It wouldn't stop prostitution ... we know this. I think it would become even more dangerous for the women who do not want(or can't) go indy and work in agencies. So these agencies are a bit of a compromise with LE. As long as they don't make waves they are not bothered. But XO crossed that line in multiple ways it seem.
I know its easy for me to say this because i already had decided to stay away from Montreal for a little while, but personally i think the smarter move at this moment would be to refrain from booking incalls. Im not saying outcalls is full proof, but it seem safer to me. You are in your hotel room, the only person that goes in your room is the escort herself. Police COULD send an undercover cop that way probably, but that is much more complicated than operating an incall sting. If the incalls of agencies are under surveillance, its much easier for them to do anything. They won't post officers are every hotels in Montreal ...
It's always been safer to book outcall! Not many of you, even the locals posting here, remember that in the 2000s predominately Montreal agencies were running outcalls. The only one I remember runnnig an incall was called "Le Filles de Mr. Jacques", also known as LFMJ. It was only in the 2010s that the incall agencies rose up: Good Girls, Euphoria, XO and a slew of copycats. They all figured out they could make more money with incalls. However I guess the outcall model and learning from the discretion of their historical precessors now is looking good, all of a sudden?
Are we completely forgetting the history of the business here?
Indeed. When i started, there was very few agencies doing incalls. I don't remember "Les filles de Mr Jacques", must have been before my time. But every agencies of the time exept one was outcall only. Devilish/Girls on Fire, MontrealXXXtase (now XXXclusive), Asservissantes, Satin Dreamz, Mtl Sex City, Woman of Passion and then a few more popped out after. Only Nadya VIP was mainly an incall agency that i recall of. Its Goodgirls who changed the model offering incalls. I think the idea was that incall could be seen as a "bordelo" and was more illegal, at least before C-36 or whatever that was call, Outcall was considered almost entirely safe as long as you didn't made "waves" and remain discreet. Even most hotels never cared.
As i said many times i understand the attraction to the incall model on both client and agency pov (clients save money on room, agency book way more calls) but maybe this "appat du gain" is partly responsible for the current situation. I understand even for escorts, incalls may be better (safer as they are in their environement, no getting out in the hot summer or cold winter times, more money since more calls, no waiting in the car etc) but im sure it may take its toll as well to have to do clients "back to back" with only a 15 min break in between... Outcalls kinda feel "more ethical" to me ... But hey maybe its just my POV.
Any old timers remember the agency MTLC busted by the SPVM in 2009 (???)
Même si la police de Montréal (SPVM) les tolère depuis quelques années... (!!!)
In that specific case, biker gang affiliation was alleged.
Même si la police de Montréal (SPVM) les tolère depuis quelques années... (!!!)
In that specific case, biker gang affiliation was alleged.
It was an agency that was catering completely to French locals. They had one of the biggest rosters I have ever seen in Montreal. Their website was totally in French and they were at the time (2002-2005) maybe $140/hour. I never bothered with them as I assumed from their website they would have no English speaking bookers or escorts. They didn't even try to get the tourists at that time, they knew the outcall agencies had them. They focused on French locals and the French locals I spoke to at the time told me they were not for me.
I always love your historical view, EB. And I don’t even know if the Eleganza issues back in the day resulted in the type of hysteria with booking agencies we’re seeing on Merb now, right?
Interesting - didn't realize "Mia" was Noemie. I knew Forever was a spinoff of XO from when things started to fall apart over there... the new place supposedly being the "ethical" version of XO. Or so it claimed (claims).
I don't believe the Eleganza arrest got too much media scrutiny. It did have a thread on MERB, but it came to light MUCH later. I think Joe was running Eleganza while John was in jail so the agency was not actually shut down by LE. It continued for a while after the arrest- maybe months or even a year. At the time, it didn't cause too much of a ripple of concern because John apparently was recruiting some girl who was a minor, her parents found the messages or emails and went to the police. It was never clear if John knew the girl was a minor. This is what my memory is of what occurred - I could be wrong.
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Think you hit the nail in the right spot.
As you mentioned; it is not gonna stop.
If they do, the business will go underground, we know this and so does LE.
Stick with the ''devil'' you know.
Unless it is a political agenda. Then, who knows. Time will tell.
Yes. Euphoria did not do it for me post-XO bust. I wonder if it is something that will stick long-term.
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