No Black men

[just some guy]

Either something is based on racist beliefs or its not. There's no in between. There's nothing irrational about that. It doesn't have to be someone's intention. They don't have to be explicitly racist. Racism comes in many forms and implicit bias or racism is still harmful .

It's actually totally rational and you haven't shown its not.

The definition can include a lot of different scenarios :

I don't have to prove anything. Its you that needs to prove that all girls that don't see black men are racists. You are the one making bold statements.

As for my comparison to Indy and employee references, I specifically said, (read carefully) the point is escorting is not a regular line of work. You ask for references because you are concerned for your safety. You ask for references because you had a few bad experiences, so that compels you to ask references of everybody even though the risk to you is quite small.

As for my experiences, with white escorts the bad experiences were 20%, for Black it was 100%. I was wiling to take that 20% risk.
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What in the world do some Indy screening methods have anything to do with this. And are you seriously comparing your work to ours? If you really need me to explain, it might have to do with the higher risks of one of our clients being violent or abusive. Also, do you get naked and place yourself in a potentially vulnerable position with your clients?

Question: Did your employer ask you for references? (Clients aren't our bosses, I don't know why you're making that comparison.) Your landlord? Ever? Did you find it so weird then?



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Now if trying to convince me that you have never had any bad experiences with white escorts or that if you did, you would attribute it to them being white and never see another white escort... we both know that would *never* happen.

So tell me how rational it is to do it in the case of black escorts. Give me a rational explanation other than one based on race. Because it's based on race, would not happen if that race was white, so it is by definition racism. I get that you don't want to see yourself as a racist but you can't pretend race has nothing to do with it. The "my experience" thing is a cop out unless it would apply for white escorts.

 

[martell]

Tell me you never challenge your beliefs without telling me you never challenge your beliefs. Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Funny, considering I had leftist beliefs my whole teen years due to my parents, but reconsidered...

And I don't need to sit at the top of the hierarchy as you say, since I'm not even white myself.

 

[EagerBeaver]

In the immortal words of The Who, this ain’t a social crisis.

 

[EagerBeaver]

In the U.S., there were a significant number of ads from Black women which said no Black guys, and at least a few of them were comical and said they loved older White guys.

I don't know where Seeking Arrangement fits in your thesis paper on social ecosystems in the sex industry, but I have seen a number of SA profiles of 18-22 year old black women which say things like "I really like older white men", "I dig older white dudes", "I am very attracted to older white men", etc. The unspoken parenthetical on all of the above is: "if they are rich and do monthly allowances."

 

[Fradi]

I never got it though. As if those ladies will turn down a good looking, well educated and well groomed black dude who is moreover jacked and has a decent personality while normally accepting a fat and smelly white dude from Hochelaga with poor hygiene who acts very cocky and nasty toward them..Makes no sense to me.

I don’t know where you are going with this but this makes no sense whatsoever.
Fat yes, smelly with poor hygiene cocky and nasty, why on earth would any SP accept that white or not would you mind explaining that.
Personality is not dependant on the colour of your skin you can be a kind and polite person or a total asshole regardless.

It is never easy to be rejected for what ever reason and luckily there are many SP that do accept black men but again this is not like going into a restaurant or shopping at.Costco we all have a choice in who we want to sleep with including SP.

 

[Rosie Sparkles]

It's racism. ✌️

 

[Artvandelay_importer]

Can I give my 2 cents as a brown man? Some SPs would not want to meet me and I think that's perfectly fine. Due to obnoxious behavior of brown folks we have a bad rep. But as Groucho Marx says I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.

 

[WBeck]

I've seen NBM policies for years. As a BM I've always thought of it as racist, but what you gonna do about it, complain to the cops or the media. No chance.

If I really want to see a certain SP with a NBM policy this is what I do: shower immediately before, pay double and up front. Funny how some SPs NBM policy magically disappears proving the old adage of everybody has a price.

 

[EagerBeaver]

as Groucho Marx says I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.

 

[martell]

Can I give my 2 cents as a brown man? Some SPs would not want to meet me and I think that's perfectly fine. Due to obnoxious behavior of brown folks we have a bad rep. But as Groucho Marx says I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.

Exactly my case as well, I am of North African descent and I perfectly understand why they refuse sometime.

 

[CaptRenault]

It's not a secret that there are no biological races

Very interesting! Great point!

It's also not a secret that there are not just two genders, male and female. Thanks to Science, we now know that there are many genders, perhaps as many as 16.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Very interesting! Great point!

It's also not a secret that there are not just two genders, male and female. Thanks to Science, we now know that there are many genders, perhaps as many as 16.

I am curious about where Hermaphrodites fit in this analysis. Below is the famous statute of Hermaphroditus showing a human with tits and penis, and a photo of a hermaphrodite with a cock and pussy. Does such a person fuck women or get fucked by men? Or both? Do they enjoy fellatio or cunnilingus more?

 

[AlmostMidaged]

Escorts provide a service to short, old, fat, greasy, misogynistic, weirdos, infidels, athletes, normal, buff, rich, famous, working-class, and so on. The service they give is indiscriminate in this respect. They are being paid because they aren’t attracted and or wouldn’t have sex with the client otherwise. It’s her body and her choice, but to turn around and pretend excluding a specific group isn’t routed in prejudice is laughable. A spade is a spade. NBM is racist. Get over it. References are used to exclude based on behaviour and not preconceived notions observable in larger Canadian society.

 

[hornet21]

This is already a relatively dangerous job so the SPs can do whatever they need to do to minimize risks. This is not racism. In Toronto, I have met SPs that were beaten and robbed by black men.

 

[CaptRenault]

…A spade is a spade….Get over it.

I definitely agree!

 

[CaptRenault]

...I've dated all kinds of ethnicities, backgrounds, or skin shades: Asian, black, brown from Colombian to Sri Lankan, Greek, Ashkenazi Jewish, Italian, Austrian+German, Jordanian, Lebanese, Bangladeshi, blue-eyed white, Afghan, and Indigenous...

My preference happens to be men. Beyond that, my preferences are about personality and the types of person someone is. I am not color blind, because I see colors just fine. I do not factor race, skin color, ethnicity in my relationships, whether romantic, sexual or platonic.

Well said! For sure, I can relate to that. I have had sex with women of many races and ethnicities and skin colors: French, Chinese, German, Vietnamese, Black, Thai, Latina, Korean, Brazilian, even white American women, so I feel pretty darn good about myself. I know I am merely a product of my environment and I am not perfect, but I have worked very hard to overcome my inborn racism that I was born with. My preference happens to be women, not men, so we are somewhat different in that sense.

 

[anaconda]

This is already a relatively dangerous job so the SPs can do whatever they need to do to minimize risks. This is not racism. In Toronto, I have met SPs that were beaten and robbed by black men.

And those same SPs were probably beaten and mistreated by White men as well, but will they exclude them as potential clients? Of course not, because it would affect their bottom line soooooo yeah....racism.... But I agree that they can do whatever they want.

 

[CaptRenault]

And those same SPs were probably beaten and mistreated by White men as well...

All men, white, black and brown are bad. White women are bad too.

 

[timidguy]

Green women good?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Captain Kirk was the ultimate stud back in his day! He also did the first interracial kiss with a black woman in TV history:

It's just another reason why William Shatner is one of the world's most famous Montrealers.