Obama................. what is with him?

[daydreamer41]

What I don't understand is that opponents of the Iranian deal have no alternatives to offer... Given how well the "bomb them back to the stone-age" philosophy has worked out, they are even hesitant to come right out and say that that is what they want... So when you listen to the opponents, what you hear is that Iran is an existential threat to the world who are just months away from developing a nuclear bomb, so we should just keep on doing exactly what has brought us to this point.

The other point that is never brought up regarding this deal is that the US and Iran have a convergence of interests in terms of fighting ISIS, whereas Saudi Arabia is on the other side of this fight. It just boggles the mind...

No alternatives? Are you kidding? You are repeating Obama's stupid talking points. The sanctions were working or the Allatoylah would have NEVER EVER talked to the GREAT SATAN, the United States and the other Satans in Europe.

So what did Obama do? He gives them illegal $ (700 Million) which Congress never appropriated, and in the deal Iran will get Billions. Real genius. Obama turned his back on the few day protests in Iran in 2009. Why? Because Obama loves dictators (takes one to know one).

Let's look at this wonderful deal. There will be no US inspectors (who are the most qualified inspectors). A 24 day waiting period before any inspectors can ask to enter a military facility. And the Allatoyallah is saying no one will be able to inspect anyhow. So what is so great about this deal?

Read the link above, Casey, and come back when you have something other than mindless talking points.

 

[daydreamer41]

Right on Z ! Most of the critisim againts Obama is not rational. He's a democrate, he introduced universal medicare, gay marage and pot were legalized, and oh ya, he's black ! Drives the republicains crazy !

The US doesn't have Universal medicare.
The Supreme Court did the damage of making gay marriage whatever.
Pot is still illegal according to Federal law. It is legal in 2 states. Obama has nothing to do with State laws (so far, as he is waiting to be the king of the US).
He's black? I thought he is red?

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Irrelevant to the question at hand. In fact conjuring the specter of the China threat is making your opponents argument for him.

Really not sure about your fear of the Chinese, you posted that China was buying oil sand properties and I replied that the US is in huge debt with China and China owns billions in US property, what makes my comment irrelevant.

This is your selling point, not going off using dodges. I still remember all the concerns about the Alaska Pipeline. What has happened after it was built has proved both sides right and wrong, though the benefits have been greater. That's why I was undecided about this new pipeline extension, because you have to take a look at what's going on not just react to it out of impulse. You obviously have biased motives, I mean naturally not negatively. There are very good arguments for your position but conjuring specters and dodges when you ABSOLUTELY know better isn't helping your position.

I really do not understand your dodges and specters thing, just pointing out alternatives to the US buying Alberta oil. As for me being biased, yes. I have spent my life in the Alberta oil patch and going through decades of being fucked by the Liberal federal government, and now environmentalist politicians pushing carbon tax grabs down our throats ( the carbon tax is the biggest false tax in the history of Canada, nothing will change due to this huge tax ), then provinces who Alberta employs thousands of their people and 150,000 spin off jobs in their province still try and run our way of life. We are a land locked province with a huge resource and can not get our product out, blocked to the west by BC ( Premier says pipeline is bad for environment buy if royalties were given then ok, and just recently after a huge gas find for themselves pipeline of good for them ), to the south we have the states, a poll was taken and 60 something percent agreed that the pipeline should go through, congress passed it, it would make billions for the economy and Obama vetos it. To the east we have Ontario and Quebec who we employ thousands of people, send 6-8 billion a year in equalization payments for decades and blocked because we are not green enough for them... Oil is a basic necessity in todays life and no way to get around it, this environmental global warming ( fault of humans ) is the biggest tax grab of all. Yes I am biased and pissed. Low life politicians in Quebec try to tell us to carbon tax or the pipeline will not go through, what a bunch of shit. Do Quebecers realise that they are the highest taxed people in North America? Do they realise that it is due to a clause in the equalization payments that if a province is a have not ( over 55 years now ) and raise their taxes the payment get increased, do Quebecers know that if they decide to harvest their natural resources they may become a have province finally instead of waiting for handouts but they do not because of every dollar of royalty received it comes off equalization payments. Ontario is a joke, all for pollution when the auto industry was in full swing, getting bailouts from the government and when it goes to shit they decide to go green and become a green have not province. Yes I am biased and pissed for good reason, getting fucked by your neighbors who you throw billions of dollars at for a stupid carbon tax issue, Alberta probably has the greenest oil production in the world and people still bitch. Pipelines are still the safest way to transport oil and people still bitch, Some people who are anti oil think it has only 1 use and that is gas, it has over 6000 other uses, it makes the solar panels that the greenies like but the extreme cost is too high to use. Look up what oil makes and stop using all these items, if you can manage complain, if not shut the fuck up.
Sorry, once I start I can not stop.....
This is not geared towards the citizens of any province, just their political leaders.

 

[Vercingentorix]

The airheads over a MSNBC just can't understand, or even comprehend, Hillary's sinking numbers. Duh, the myth of Hillary (as promoted by the lame stream media) is quite different from the horrible creature that is the reality. Bottom line is MSNBC has bought into its own propaganda...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iCn1zI0VU

 

[Merlot]

Hello STN,

Didn't I say the obsessed haters would pop in and exploit this thread for their own personal mongering. BINGO! Now we've got Ayatollahs and Hillary. OMG :lol: Cant wait for Area 51 and Elvis to be brought into this. :crazy;

...you posted that China was buying oil sand properties...

I posted that China was buying future interests in Canadian oil not the oil sands development which I intentionally left out specifically because I did not know if that part was true.

...what makes my comment irrelevant.

Your issue was the XL pipeline. The U.S. already has Canadian pipelines so anything alluding to preferring Venezuela or Saudi Arabia or whoever has been answered. It's about what is beneficial not where it comes from.

I really do not understand your dodges and specters thing, just pointing out alternatives to the US buying Alberta oil.

Your thread was about being pissed at Obama's rejection of the XL pipeline and WHY? That concerns the U.S. and Canada not any other country. Bringing Venezuela or any other place that really as nothing to do with the XL issue is diverting from the issue. It comes off that way, as well as looking like a scare tactic. You have said yourself the cause of the rejection was American environmentalists and concerns over carbon emissions, so obviously any matters outside the U.S. and Canada have absolutely nothing to do with your own point that environmental concerns caused the veto. Therefor all this other stuff is a dodge from the real issue.

a poll was taken and 60 something percent agreed that the pipeline should go through, congress passed it, it would make billions for the economy and Obama vetos it.

Polls??? As I keep saying polls have nothing to do with right and wrong or whether something should be justified because some poll sides one way or another. If that was the case, except for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor the U.S. would never have entered WWII. If that was the case the Obama haters would have to admit they were wrong...TWICE. Polls rarely indicate an informed/knowledgeable opinion either. Just look at the psychotic airhead windbag with delusions of god-hood leading the Republican polls who their own Conservative Senator Graham called a raving "JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!"

A lot of proposals pass through Congress. You know how government works. You've just gone off on how badly Alberta has been used. So clearly you don't think that just because something made it through part of the government that it's right. The XL pipeline extension proposal went through proper process. Obama who has the smallest rate of vetoes in 122 years, as I posted in the previous chart, rejected it. That's proper due process now matter how much it annoys or pleases anyone.

As for me being biased, yes. I have spent my life in the Alberta oil patch and going through decades of being fucked by the Liberal federal government, and now environmentalist politicians pushing carbon tax grabs down our throats ( the carbon tax is the biggest false tax in the history of Canada, nothing will change due to this huge tax ), then provinces who Alberta employs thousands of their people and 150,000 spin off jobs in their province still try and run our way of life. We are a land locked province with a huge resource and can not get our product out, blocked to the west by BC ( Premier says pipeline is bad for environment buy if royalties were given then ok, and just recently after a huge gas find for themselves pipeline of good for them ),....To the east we have Ontario and Quebec who we employ thousands of people, send 6-8 billion a year in equalization payments for decades and blocked because we are not green enough for them... Oil is a basic necessity in todays life and no way to get around it, this environmental global warming ( fault of humans ) is the biggest tax grab of all. Yes I am biased and pissed. Low life politicians in Quebec try to tell us to carbon tax or the pipeline will not go through, what a bunch of shit. Do Quebecers realise that they are the highest taxed people in North America? Do they realise that it is due to a clause in the equalization payments that if a province is a have not ( over 55 years now ) and raise their taxes the payment get increased, do Quebecers know that if they decide to harvest their natural resources they may become a have province finally instead of waiting for handouts but they do not because of every dollar of royalty received it comes off equalization payments. Ontario is a joke, all for pollution when the auto industry was in full swing, getting bailouts from the government and when it goes to shit they decide to go green and become a green have not province. Yes I am biased and pissed for good reason, getting fucked by your neighbors who you throw billions of dollars at for a stupid carbon tax issue, Alberta probably has the greenest oil production in the world and people still bitch. Pipelines are still the safest way to transport oil and people still bitch, Some people who are anti oil think it has only 1 use and that is gas, it has over 6000 other uses, it makes the solar panels that the greenies like but the extreme cost is too high to use. Look up what oil makes and stop using all these items, if you can manage complain, if not shut the fuck up.
Sorry, once I start I can not stop.....
This is not geared towards the citizens of any province, just their political leaders.

Hey, I respect your opinions. You sure have every right to go off about all of this since it affects you and the Canadian oil industry and Alberta and all the rest. I have read and tried to understand such Canadian issues many times over the years. I'm sure many Americans sympathize especially since we have a lot of similar issues. However, the quote above is ALL INTERNAL CANADIAN CONCERNS. In deciding about the pipeline Obama didn't, as far as I know or is reasonable to consider, impose concerns about U.S. immigration issues, racial flare-ups, lasers hitting jetliners, health care, or any other American problem except what is relevant. Is the pipeline necessary and do the benefits outweigh the costs and risks. All the other stuff may be extremely important on their own, but they are irrelevant to the pipeline extension issue and whether or not it benefits the U.S. enough to be worthwhile. Canadian internal politics and other American issues are IRRELEVANT.

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

What is with this Socialist Bernie Sanders from the People's Republic of Vermont? While he is demanding a $15 an hour minimum wage to be paid by business, this numskull is paying his interns $12 an hour.

http://therightscoop.com/socialist-...-15-minimum-wage-pays-interns-12-an-hour-lol/

I tell you, you can't make this stuff up about the devout socialists, like Obama, Clinton and Sanders. ROFLMAO :lol: :lol:

 

[zmontreal]

What is with this Socialist Bernie Sanders from the People's Republic of Vermont? While he is demanding a $15 an hour minimum wage to be paid by business, this numskull is paying his interns $12 an hour.

http://therightscoop.com/socialist-...-15-minimum-wage-pays-interns-12-an-hour-lol/

I tell you, you can't make this stuff up about the devout socialists, like Obama, Clinton and Sanders. ROFLMAO :lol: :lol:

I don't really see your point here. Internships are not subject to minimum wage laws in the U.S. so he can argue for a $15/hr minimum wage without paying his interns the same rate. But you should also keep in mind that

a) He's paying his interns significantly more than the current minimum wage in Vermont
b) Most companies don't pay their interns anything, so the fact that he's even paying his interns is incredibly generous
c) How do you know he won't raise intern pay if the minimum wage is increased?

Honestly I think people just read these stupid headlines and don't take two minutes to think before making inflammatory comments.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Honestly I think people just read these stupid headlines and don't take two minutes to think before making inflammatory comments.

Or they get their information from propaganda arms like therightscoop.com, breitbart, or Fox Noise, "We Distort, You Comply." Anything to keep from being fully informed.

 

[daydreamer41]

I don't really see your point here. Internships are not subject to minimum wage laws in the U.S. so he can argue for a $15/hr minimum wage without paying his interns the same rate. But you should also keep in mind that

a) He's paying his interns significantly more than the current minimum wage in Vermont
b) Most companies don't pay their interns anything, so the fact that he's even paying his interns is incredibly generous
c) How do you know he won't raise intern pay if the minimum wage is increased?

Honestly I think people just read these stupid headlines and don't take two minutes to think before making inflammatory comments.

Do what you are advocating. That's the point. He is advocating mandating businesses to pay people a large minimum wage, but he won't. The end result is inflation and higher unemployment. That's what is happening in Australia, which has a mandated minimum wage.

 

[daydreamer41]

Or they get their information from propaganda arms like therightscoop.com, breitbart, or Fox Noise, "We Distort, You Comply." Anything to keep from being fully informed.

Rumps, where have you been (since the Red Sox have sucked big time). :thumb: Is this REALLY YOU? Or is this a response from a computer program you have that spits out your drone responses? :lol::lol:

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

He is advocating mandating businesses to pay people a large minimum wage, but he won't. The end result is inflation and higher unemployment. That's what is happening in Australia, which has a mandated minimum wage.

Will someone please explain to Daydreamer what an intern is?

 

[daydreamer41]

Will someone please explain to Daydreamer what an intern is?

An internship is no different than an entry level job, rumps.

And, rumps, I had a summer internship during college which paid way above the minimum wage. Not all internships are non paid work. If you are going to MAKE and FORCE PRIVATE business pay their workers a minimum wage, don't you think you should pay those who work for you a minimum wage.

 

[smuler]

Not all internships are non paid work.

That is correct... we pay 17 an hr USD

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[zmontreal]

An internship is no different than an entry level job, rumps.

And, rumps, I had a summer internship during college which paid way above the minimum wage. Not all internships are non paid work. If you are going to MAKE and FORCE PRIVATE business pay their workers a minimum wage, don't you think you should pay those who work for you a minimum wage.

The problem here really is that you're treating internships and entry-level jobs as the same. They are most definitely NOT the same thing. And the proof is that it's legal to have unpaid internships, but illegal to have unpaid entry-level jobs. Why is that?

 

[daydreamer41]

The problem here really is that you're treating internships and entry-level jobs as the same. They are most definitely NOT the same thing. And the proof is that it's legal to have unpaid internships, but illegal to have unpaid entry-level jobs. Why is that?

The legality of pay or not pay is not so clear cut:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/business/03intern.html?_r=0

Below is the guidelines that the Labor Department has on internships. And Obama signed some executive order on Federal internships. That should get you liberals salivating:

http://www.fastweb.com/career-plann...gal-guidelines-for-paid-or-unpaid-internships

But that was not my point in regards to Bernie Sanders. Sanders, an arrogant SOB, is telling businesses what the minimum they can pay any worker. And here he is paying less than what he advocates. Someone can volunteer. That's not illegal. Who knows? Sanders may say you have to pay interns. The end result in much higher minimum wages is less entry level employment, higher unemployment, inflation and eventually scarcity of products, because citizens can not afford to buy the products and businesses go out of business because the lack of demand, a vicious cycle.

 

[daydreamer41]

Many Americans here and would like some insight.
Reading the news this morning and it was about the Iranian deal ( lifting sanctions ). Obama just stated that if congress did not agree with the deal he would use his veto powers and pass the bill.
Last year when congress approved the Keystone pipeline he vetoed against it. Just my opinion but you have a seriously fucked up president.
Thoughts? Do you care?

Yes, I agree the Iran deal was really fucked up. Giving $150 Billion to a regime that is the #1 Sponsor of Terrorism, who hold endless Kill USA, Kill Israel rallies is insane. None of the other Arab states are happy about this deal, but Kerry and Obama are oblivious to their concerns. Iran has publicly said that they will not honor the inspections of military sites. The deal allows Iran to work on ICBM's which are not meant for Israel, but the US.

It is just a horrific deal. And for Obama and Kerry to go to the UN before Congress is the height of Arrogance. Senator Mark Rubio challenged Kerry to comment on whether this deal commits the US to defending Iran's sites against Israeli or any other countries attacks, cyber or by bombing. All Kerry could say was "We will get to that when we come to it", after saying No initially.

Those who support blindly Obama have a screw loose in their heads. There is more coming, as Obama is going to turn the US into one big hell hole ghetto. Just watch. http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Sanders, an arrogant SOB, is telling businesses what the minimum they can pay any worker. And here he is paying less than what he advocates. Someone can volunteer. That's not illegal. Who knows? Sanders may say you have to pay interns. The end result in much higher minimum wages is less entry level employment, higher unemployment, inflation and eventually scarcity of products, because citizens can not afford to buy the products and businesses go out of business because the lack of demand, a vicious cycle.

Tell that to the NDP in Alberta, they are raising the min wage to $15 and they are claiming it will increase jobs. If Muclair gets elected ( Federal ) he wants that across Canada..... Many jobs will be lost and businesses shut down. People here in Quebec are all in favor of a NDP government ( according to seats won ). Scary if the NDP become our leaders. IMO.

 

[zmontreal]

The legality of pay or not pay is not so clear cut:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/business/03intern.html?_r=0

Below is the guidelines that the Labor Department has on internships. And Obama signed some executive order on Federal internships. That should get you liberals salivating:

http://www.fastweb.com/career-plann...gal-guidelines-for-paid-or-unpaid-internships

I don't see how this supports your point. Regardless of those articles, it is still completely illegal to have an unpaid entry-level job whereas there exists the possibility of an unpaid internship. That alone should be sufficient to show that there is a difference between the two.

 

[daydreamer41]

I don't see how this supports your point. Regardless of those articles, it is still completely illegal to have an unpaid entry-level job whereas there exists the possibility of an unpaid internship. That alone should be sufficient to show that there is a difference between the two.

Ok, tell me the qualifications of an entry level person at any job?

Tell me the qualifications of an intern?

 

[Kasey Jones]

No alternatives? Are you kidding? You are repeating Obama's stupid talking points. The sanctions were working or the Allatoylah would have NEVER EVER talked to the GREAT SATAN, the United States and the other Satans in Europe.

So what did Obama do? He gives them illegal $ (700 Million) which Congress never appropriated, and in the deal Iran will get Billions. Real genius. Obama turned his back on the few day protests in Iran in 2009. Why? Because Obama loves dictators (takes one to know one).

Let's look at this wonderful deal. There will be no US inspectors (who are the most qualified inspectors). A 24 day waiting period before any inspectors can ask to enter a military facility. And the Allatoyallah is saying no one will be able to inspect anyhow. So what is so great about this deal?

Read the link above, Casey, and come back when you have something other than mindless talking points.

If the sanctions were working, how come, according to the right, they are so close to getting a bomb? 2 years, maybe several months away if you listen to Netanyahu's speech to the UN complete with Wile E. Coyote bomb graphics.

"Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database"? Really? You just sound like a tin-foil hat, black helicopter conspiracy theorist... Is he secretly trading this information to the Iranians liberate some captive Black Panthers and to finance left-wing death squads in Central America? Probably learned that trick from Reagan.

So you think that it is technically possible to hide traces of a uranium enrichment or reprocessing facility within 24 days? Or that you could build one underground without anyone noticing?