Official 2007-2008 NHL Thread

[JustBob]

Now as far as playoffs go, still a long way to go, but I think both the Habs and the Leafs (if they start showing more consistency and if they improve on the PP) have a legitimate shot at making them. Not necessarily because they are great teams, but because so-called analysts, from what I've seen so far, have vastly overrated other teams like Buffalo, New Jersey, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh and even the Rangers.

 

[JustBob]

That's not saying much. I agree that Markov is a top-notch rearguard. However, being on such a weak team in terms of defense...

Say what? Sorry but you've got your partisan blinders on again. The Habs are far from "weak on defense". They are 6th on defense in the East. You're confusing the Habs with the Leafs, who are last...

 

[gohabsgo]

Not surprising, the Leafs were recently named hockey's most valuable franchise by Forbes magazine:

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071108.wsptforbes8/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home

As long as the gullible masses in Toronto keep buying Maple Loser merchandise and subscibe to Laff TV, the teachers fund will continue to line their pockets . Meanwhile, the Habs have an owner and GM who are committed to winning - unlike a certain sad sack franchise that hasn't had so much as a sniff of the Stanley Cup finals in more than 40 years!

 

[Doc Holliday]

As long as the gullible masses in Toronto keep buying Maple Loser merchandise and subscibe to Laff TV, the teachers fund will continue to line their pockets . Meanwhile, the Habs have an owner and GM who are committed to winning - unlike a certain sad sack franchise that hasn't had so much as a sniff of the Stanley Cup finals in more than 40 years!

The fans & local media are what pushes Canadiens' management to succeed, not ownership my friend. All most of these owners are interested in is the bottom line & making a lot of money with their investment. As for your comment regarding not going to the finals in 40 years, this applies to 80% of the teams in the league. If you compare two franchises together, let's say Detroit & Toronto, for example, and go back 40-50 years...the Leafs have had a lot more success than the team in hockeytown. But people who aren't familiar with their hockey history are under the impression that the Detroit organization is miles ahead of the Leafs over the past few decades.

 

[JustBob]

Wake up! I was referring to their defencemen, not TEAM DEFENCE. Two entirely different things. You can have the most average defencemen in the league & put them in a very effective defensive-minded system with above-average goaltending & they'll all look like Doug Harvey!

Ok but your argument that they are "weak on defense" is even sillier if you are referring strictly to defensemen. Most teams in the league would like to have Markov/Komisarek/Hamrlich as their top 3 defensemen. Sure there's a drop off after, but aside from Streit (-4) even guys like Brisebois (0) and Boullon (-1) are doing a decent job. So, the Habs are hardly "weak on defense"... Plus for a "defensive minded team" they are 8th in the league on offense. Sure, there's the PP but still... In a word, your "evaluation" of the Habs is way off. But then again, you're a Leafs fan so that's not at all surprising.

 

[gohabsgo]

As for your comment regarding not going to the finals in 40 years, this applies to 80% of the teams in the league.

What are you smoking? out of the current 30 team league, only Toronto, Columbus, Nashville, San Jose, Atlanta and Phoenix have not gone to the finals. 6/30 = 20%

 

[gohabsgo]

If you compare two franchises together, let's say Detroit & Toronto, for example, and go back 40-50 years...the Leafs have had a lot more success than the team in hockeytown. But people who aren't familiar with their hockey history are under the impression that the Detroit organization is miles ahead of the Leafs over the past few decades.

Is there something in the water in Toronto or are all Leaf fans delusional? Detroit has won 3 Stanley Cups between 1996 and 2001 !!! The last time Toronto was in the finals there were only 6 teams in the league !!!

Clearly, Toronto is the more successful team

You are right, Detroit is not miles ahead of the Leafs - they're light years ahead!

 

[joelcairo]

Is there something in the water in Toronto or are all Leaf fans delusional? Detroit has won 3 Stanley Cups between 1996 and 2001 !!! The last time Toronto was in the finals there were only 6 teams in the league !!!

Clearly, Toronto is the more successful team

You are right, Detroit is not miles ahead of the Leafs - they're light years ahead!

Excellent answer gohabsgo. Your best post ever...although, to be fair, your gun was pointed straight at a sitting doc...sorry, I mean a sitting duck.

 

[joelcairo]

As if it wasn't already bad enough to be a Leaf, they now have to endure the soap opera created by their hero Jiri Tlusty. How can Mats Sundin and Paul Maurice (the only two members of the Leaf family with class and ability) endure being trapped in a place like Toronto?

 

[GlavaMan]

Doug Armstrong sealed his fate when he took away the 'C' from Modano.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doug Armstrong sealed his fate when he took away the 'C' from Modano.

The team president didn't even know himself that Armstrong got canned. Is Harold Ballard back & now running the Dallas Stars under the name Tom Hicks?

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2007/11/15/4656959-sun.html

 

[Frontenak]

This is a good one!

Is there something in the water in Toronto or are all Leaf fans delusional? Detroit has won 3 Stanley Cups between 1996 and 2001 !!! The last time Toronto was in the finals there were only 6 teams in the league !!!

Clearly, Toronto is the more successful team

You are right, Detroit is not miles ahead of the Leafs - they're light years ahead!

Excellent!

 

[gohabsgo]

A Leaf player french kissing a dude !!!

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/11/111407leaf.htm


Whats up with that? oh yeah, I forgot, Toronto is the greatest franchise in hockey and pro sports

 

[Doc Holliday]

A Leaf player french kissing a dude !!!

Whats up with that? oh yeah, I forgot, Toronto is the greatest franchise in hockey and pro sports

Now you're surfing to gay websites? What's up with that?

Who's the other dude? Stephane Richer?

 

[gohabsgo]

Just google "Leafs" and all the links lead to gay sites. The other dude, Wendy .. uh, I mean Wendell Clark

Speaking of gay Toronto players - they're making a movie about a gay ex-hockey player - from what team? Maple Leafs, of course

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe..._film_070909/20070909?s_name=tiff2007&no_ads=

 

[Techman]

Whatever. It doesn't change the fact that the Toronto Maple Leafs are still the greatest franchise in hockey (and possibly all sports) and nothing will ever change this fact.

Tonight, the Leafs will teach the Boston Bruins a lesson in playing hockey & will come out of the game with a win! Go Leafs Go!!

Let me see...the Laughs have won 13 Stanley Cups, the Habs have won 24. So how does that make them the greatest franchise in hockey? Nothing can ever change those facts.

It's just the facts of nature that really matter. Maple trees shed their leaves in the fall when the hockey season is just beginning and then they rot during the winter months. It seems the hockey team named after them does the same thing!

 

[Doc Holliday]

Let me see...the Laughs have won 13 Stanley Cups, the Habs have won 24. So how does that make them the greatest franchise in hockey?

I guess you've never heard of Forbes magazine.

p.s. I'm actually surprised Mtl didn't win more Stanley Cups considering that until around 1970, they had first crack at the top francophone prospect.

 

[Techman]

You are talking about business, not the quality of the team that actually plays the game. They just happen to be in the most profitable market in the sport, that has nothing to do with the quality of the team itself which we all know is seriously lacking and has been for a very long time.

 

[gohabsgo]

Tonight, the Leafs will teach the Boston Bruins a lesson in playing hockey & will come out of the game with a win! Go Leafs Go!!

How did that work out for you?

 

[joelcairo]

You are talking about business, not the quality of the team that actually plays the game. They just happen to be in the most profitable market in the sport, that has nothing to do with the quality of the team itself which we all know is seriously lacking and has been for a very long time.

Yes and they're profitable in TO because the fans there are gullible dreamers who actually believe that they have an NHL-calibre team. (Mind you, the same could be said for Montreal.)