Our National Pastime: 2015 Baseball Thread

[Doc Holliday]

Besides Betances and Miller their bullpen is absolutely AWFUL!!

I totally with you, SK. I'm also not too impressed with their hitting. A-Rod is still one of their top hitters and that's all you need to know! :lol:

 

[Joe.t]

Scathing report on just how bad the Red Sux are by noted baseball writer Jason Catania.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...blems-overshadowing-unexpectedly-weak-offense

Hello all,

Everybody here throws mud. We all have to admit that, though personally I never post false accusations. Lately it's been bad, a steaming pile of SHIT, and honestly, I've thought this baseball thread should be closed permanently

Merlot

With the Red Sux season absolutely sucking moose balls and in dead, last place in nearly every important category wouldn't have anything to do with this "thought" of yours now would it?.

 

[daydreamer41]

With the Red Sux season absolutely sucking moose balls and in dead, last place in nearly every important category wouldn't have anything to do with this "thought" of yours now would it?.

Yeah, Joe.t, I think you hit the nail on the head. Under different circumstances, we may have seen the entire thread deleted by now because some don't like how the season is turning out for their team, which has been pretty ugly so far.

Merlot hasn't posted in almost 24 hours. Should someone call New England 911? :lol: He's been in very angry and depressed mood lately.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Unreal

With the Red Sux season absolutely sucking moose balls and in dead, last place in nearly every important category wouldn't have anything to do with this "thought" of yours now would it?

 

[Joe.t]

Whoa nelly!!! we got a barn burner of a game going on in in Arlington, a pitcher by the name of Chi Chi Gonzalez(never heard of him to be quite honest) is pitching a NO NO against a very light, light, light, hitting team, no need to mention the name as everybody in the whole world knows who it is, stay tuned.

 

[Joe.t]

Congratulations to Poopi Ortiz on breaking up the NO NO and raising his BA to a pathetically embarrassing .218.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Congratulations to Poopi Ortiz on breaking up the NO NO and raising his BA to a pathetically embarrassing .218.

Could this be the year the Red Sox don't send anyone to the all-star game?

 

[Special K]

Could this be the year the Red Sox don't send anyone to the all-star game?

Now if you knew anything about the game of baseball, then you'd know that EVERY team is represented at the ASG. You should probably stick to hockey.

 

[Merlot]

Guys

Everybody here throws mud.

Not true

I ...dont get involved

"We're all innocent in here" - Shawshank Redemption.

Angels don't get suspended...Smuler.

Merlot, it's none of your fucking bizness...

Calm down Merlot.

Just got done ROFLMAO...wait...I feel a chuckle coming. :lol:

...wouldn't have anything to do with this "thought" of yours now would it?

Why would Joe.t ever tire of crap.

...you'd know that EVERY team is represented at the ASG.

Dustin Pedroia is earning a spot by merit, so regardless of ASG rules he's currently the obvious 2nd base choice, 1st team or 2nd.

BTW: I think it's a bad rule. If a player can't go on merit then too bad. It's called an ALL-STAR GAME, not everyone deserves a piece of candy from their mommies.

The Red Sox suckfest for hitting goes on though. This could be the worst hitting Sox team in a very long time even if they did face a pitcher last night who would have been pretty much unbeatable against anyone like Eduardo Rodriguez was two nights ago for Boston. Still, the way the Sox have lack hitting and especially clutch hitting so far the situation looks pretty back. Despite last night I have decent faith in their pitching overall and the hitting is now the scary element.

Damn,

Merlot

 

[Doc Holliday]

Now if you knew anything about the game of baseball, then you'd know that EVERY team is represented at the ASG. You should probably stick to hockey.

I totally knew this. All i wanted was reply from either you or Merlot to tell me this. Mission accomplie! :thumb:

 

[daydreamer41]

Guys



"We're all innocent in here" - Shawshank Redemption.

Angels don't get suspended...Smuler.



Just got done ROFLMAO...wait...I feel a chuckle coming. :lol:



Why would Joe.t ever tire of crap.



Dustin Pedroia is earning a spot by merit, so regardless of ASG rules he's currently the obvious 2nd base choice, 1st team or 2nd.

BTW: I think it's a bad rule. If a player can't go on merit then too bad. It's called an ALL-STAR GAME, not everyone deserves a piece of candy from their mommies.

The Red Sox suckfest for hitting goes on though. This could be the worst hitting Sox team in a very long time even if they did face a pitcher last night who would have been pretty much unbeatable against anyone like Eduardo Rodriguez was two nights ago for Boston. Still, the way the Sox have lack hitting and especially clutch hitting so far the situation looks pretty back. Despite last night I have decent faith in their pitching overall and the hitting is now the scary element.

Damn,

Merlot

Well, well, well, Merlot. You return. I hope your blood pressure is good. You certainly look okay with your prolific commenting on everyone's comments as usual.

Anyhow, if were to look at Dustin Pedroia's statistics objectively (which is an impossibility as a Red Sox fan) I think you will see that Dustin is no longer at the top of the list:

He is 4th in OPS among 2nd basemen in the AL:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&game_type='R'&season=2015&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1433080902008&position='4'&sortColumn=ops&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

He is 3rd in .BA among 2nd basemen in the AL:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&game_type='R'&season=2015&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1433080977463&position='4'&sortColumn=avg&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

He is 8th in fielding percentage among 2nd basemen in the AL:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+fielding&game_type='R'&season=2015&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=fielding&page=1&ts=1433081117886&position='4'&sortColumn=avg&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

He is 4th in range factor among 2nd basemen in the AL:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+fielding&game_type='R'&season=2015&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=fielding&page=1&ts=1433082562958&position='4'&sortColumn=rf&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

I would say based on the stats so far this year that Jason Kipnis of Cleveland, Jose Altuve of Houston and Logan Forsythe of Tampa Bay are ahead of Pedroia this year, and maybe Brian Dozier is ahead Pedroia also since Dozier has a higher OPS and better fielding percentage and range factor than Pedroia.

So if you did it by merit, Pedroia would not make the All Star team this year.

I really don't think that the All Star game is a big deal other than the winner of it decides who gets home field advantage in the World Series, American League or National League. I personally think that should be changed to the team with the best record.

The All Star game should be a show case game and nothing more. I have no objections to the fans voting since fans pay the $ to support the teams. What would be nice is the players and/or managers get to vote on the additional players, where you would have a player who is having a very good season and does not receive the top number of votes.

But sorry to break it to you, Merlot, but your Peddie is no longer the top or one of the top two second basemen in the AL.

Cheers

dd41

 

[Doc Holliday]

Wow! DD really spanked our good friend Merlot with his impressive analysis of the Red Sox' only decent playa!

 

[daydreamer41]

Wow! DD really spanked our good friend Merlot with his impressive analysis of the Red Sox' only decent playa!

I have to tell you Doc that if Pedroia was the top or 2nd best second baseman according to this year's stats so far, I would have posted that fact.

Pedroia is still a very good baseball player. He's always had good to excellent seasons. In some years he was the best or second best, next to Robinson Cano, second baseman in the AL. But both Pedroia and Cano are older and somewhat slower than they were a few years ago. Other players have better stats and are better than both.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I agree with you, DD. I'd take Pedroia on my team anytime. But he's not even close to being a top 3 second baseman.

As for the games today, i'll make my predictioms: Jays win, Red Sox and Yankees lose.

 

[Merlot]

You certainly look okay with your prolific commenting on everyone's comments as usual.

Sorry your very limited concern is sports pissing.

I agree with you, DD. I'd take Pedroia on my team anytime. But he's not even close to being a top 3 second baseman.

But both Pedroia and Cano are older and somewhat slower than they were a few years ago. Other players have better stats and are better than both.

BBTN 100: Top 10 second basemen

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12568019/top-10-second-basemen

ESPN formed a panel of MLB writers, analysts and contributors to rank the top 100. We'll run through the top-10 lists at every position each day and unveil the top 25 Tuesday with a special edition of "Baseball Tonight" (8 ET, ESPN2 & WatchESPN).

The results will be announced on ESPN.com, Facebook (ESPN Baseball Tonight) and Twitter (@BBTN). Fans can use the hashtag #BBTN100 to join the discussion and follow along.

To compile the top 100, we polled more than 60 ESPN experts in February and March, starting with a list of more than 300 players. Using a 0-to-10 scale, they evaluated the players based only on how well they will perform in 2015. Players expected to miss 2015 because of an injury were not included.

Two second basemen dropped out of last season's top 10 -- Brandon Phillips and Aaron Hill. Check out the list below to see who jumped into the top 10 for 2015.

NO. NAME TEAM AGE TWITTER 2014 2B RANK

1 Robinson Cano SEA 32 @RobinsonCano 1

2 Jose Altuve HOU 24 @JoseAltuve27 NR

3 Dustin Pedroia BOS 31 @15Lasershow 2

4 Ian Kinsler DET 32 None 4

5 Ben Zobrist OAK 33 @TheZobrists 5

6 Brian Dozier MIN 27 @BrianDozier NR

7 Neil Walker PIT 29 @NeilWalker18 8

8 Chase Utley PHI 36 None 6

9 Jason Kipnis CLE 27 @TheJK_Kid 3

10 Howie Kendrick LAD 31 None 9

Once again young guys need a lot of work in evaluating talent. You're also lucky the Astros changed leagues or Cano and Pedroia would be 1 and 2 in the AL...as I said. :thumb:

BTW DD...everyone tends to be a little older than a few years ago. DUH!

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[joelcairo]

I totally knew this. All i wanted was reply from either you or Merlot to tell me this. Mission accomplie! :thumb:

Maybe people can start using this type of defense in perjury trials.

 

[daydreamer41]

Merlot, they all tell me you're a rocket scientist of some sort, but I don't believe them.

BBTN 100: Top 10 second basemen
3/29/2015 - MLB DUSTIN PEDROIA +16 more
ESPN.com

The All Star game ballot is suppose to be a measure of how well a player is playing so far in the season. Look at the date of the article you posted. 3/29/2015. The season began 4/06/2015.

Plus, these are baseball writers. What are they basing their voting on?. It is not based on stats.

Let's take last year, Merlot:

2nd Base, AL, .BA:

Altuve 1st, Cano 2nd, Pedroia 6th, Dozier 9th

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&game_type='R'&season=2014&season_type=ANY&league_code='MLB'&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1433102256573&playerType=QUALIFIER&sportCode='mlb'&split=&team_id=&active_sw=&position='4'&page_type=SortablePlayer&sortOrder='desc'&sortColumn=avg&results=&perPage=50&timeframe=&last_x_days=&extended=0


2nd Base, AL, OPS:

Cano 1st, Altuve 2nd, Dozier 3rd, Pedroia 10th

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&game_type='R'&season=2014&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1433102697850&playerType=QUALIFIER&sportCode='mlb'&split=&team_id=&active_sw=&position='4'&page_type=SortablePlayer&sortOrder='desc'&sortColumn=ops&results=&perPage=50&timeframe=&last_x_days=&extended=0


2nd Base, AL, Fielding percentage:

Pedroia moves up here: Pedroia 1st, Cano 5th, Altuve 6th, Dozier 9th

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+fielding&game_type='R'&season=2014&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=fielding&page=1&ts=1433102930689&playerType=QUALIFIER&sportCode='mlb'&split=&team_id=&active_sw=&position='4'&page_type=SortablePlayer&sortOrder='desc'&sortColumn=ops&results=&perPage=50&timeframe=&last_x_days=&extended=0

2nd Base, AL, Range of Fielding:

Pedroia moves up here: Pedroia 1st, Dozier 3rd, Altuve 4th, Cano 5th

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+fielding&game_type='R'&season=2014&season_type=ANY&league_code='AL'&sectionType=sp&statType=fielding&page=1&ts=1433103052442&playerType=QUALIFIER&sportCode='mlb'&split=&team_id=&active_sw=&position='4'&page_type=SortablePlayer&sortOrder='desc'&sortColumn=rf&results=&perPage=50&timeframe=&last_x_days=&extended=0

So, Pedroia was the best fielding 2nd baseman in the AL last year. He must have lost a step. He was no where near the best batting second baseman last year. The baseball writers vote on perception. I doubt they consult stats, and they see their home teams the most, although they see a good deal of opposing teams. The stats do not shade objectivity. The fact is Pedroia was the best fielding second baseman last year in at least the American League (and the majors if you look at the combination of fielding percentage and range) and probably in the middle of the pack in batting in the American League. So if you count in last year, he may qualify as a All Star from his team, but I would not put him as the best and second to best second baseman. Jose Altuve probably deserves that title this year, objectively speaking.

 

[Merlot]

Ahhhhhhhhh boy,

Merlot, they all tell me you're a rocket scientist of some sort,...

Really??? Your pals said that? WOW! They didn't say it about you?

BBTN 100: Top 10 second basemen
3/29/2015 - MLB DUSTIN PEDROIA +16 more
ESPN.com

The All Star game ballot is suppose to be a measure of how well a player is playing so far in the season. Look at the date of the article you posted. 3/29/2015. The season began 4/06/2015.

All-Star ballots should be handled by professionals whose careers mean they certainly know far more and are far more likely to judge a player on merit, not fans who more often are only interested in stuffing ballots for team favorites.

Let's take last year, Merlot:

2nd Base, AL, .BA:

Altuve 1st, Cano 2nd, Pedroia 6th, Dozier 9th

2nd Base, AL, OPS:

Cano 1st, Altuve 2nd, Dozier 3rd, Pedroia 10th

2nd Base, AL, Fielding percentage:

Pedroia moves up here: Pedroia 1st, Cano 5th, Altuve 6th, Dozier 9th

2nd Base, AL, Range of Fielding:

Pedroia moves up here: Pedroia 1st, Dozier 3rd, Altuve 4th, Cano 5th

You're inconsistent. You say my link was out of date because it's from March, fair enough, then you put out stats from last year. Very contradictory. However, the big point is Pedroia last year was not indicative. He was injured all of last year and his hitting suffered significantly, though his fielding remained the best. Plus as you and Doc keep obsessing on the Sox hitting sucks this year meaning Pedroia is doing well in a recovery year despite a true lack of hitting support. His fielding skill and leadership qualities are unsurpassed. His hitting is solid up to now, and that's with being forced to be the lead-off man, which he doesn't like, and still his average and power hitting stats are going up fast since the lineup change. The fact that he is doing so well with such a bad performing lineup says it all.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[smuler]

not fans who more often are only interested in stuffing ballots for team favorites

like Girgensons in the SP of the year

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[daydreamer41]

Ahhhhhhhhh boy,



Really??? Your pals said that? WOW! They didn't say it about you?



All-Star ballots should be handled by professionals whose careers mean they certainly know far more and are far more likely to judge a player on merit, not fans who more often are only interested in stuffing ballots for team favorites.



You're inconsistent. You say my link was out of date because it's from March, fair enough, then you put out stats from last year. Very contradictory. However, the big point is Pedroia last year was not indicative. He was injured all of last year and his hitting suffered significantly, though his fielding remained the best. Plus as you and Doc keep obsessing on the Sox hitting sucks this year meaning Pedroia is doing well in a recovery year despite a true lack of hitting support. His fielding skill and leadership qualities are unsurpassed. His hitting is solid up to now, and that's with being forced to be the lead-off man, which he doesn't like, and still his average and power hitting stats are going up fast since the lineup change. The fact that he is doing so well with such a bad performing lineup says it all.

Cheers,

Merlot

I am not inconsistent at all, Merlot. I added last year just to factor in from last year to this year so far if you wanted add another dimension to an Objective assessment of a player's performance. There is an All Star selection every year. It is not meant to be a cumulative measurement of a player, but how a player is playing that year and perhaps from last year since last All Star game if you want to ... like factor in post season, etc. Yes, baseball fans from cities which have higher attendances do vote for more popular players. And that's why the statistic of how many All Stars games a player plays in is not a true measurement of who is the best or who belongs there. The selection process is what it is and it should not be judged in any other context.

Now about Pedroia being injured last year? He had 551 At bats in 2014. That seems like a good portion of the season, 135 games.

Player Team Pos G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS▼
Pedroia, D BOS 2B 135 551 72 153 33 0 7 53 51 75 6 6 .278 .337 .376 .712

I am just pointing out the stats. Pedroia is not in the top 2 of second baseman for 2015 so far. I doubt he will be. Robinson Cano is not the top second baseman for 2015. I doubt he will recover and be that. There are better second basemen in the AL. So far in 2015, Jason Kipnis of Cleveland, Jose Altuve of Houston, Logan Forsythe of Tampa Bay and Brian Dozier are doing better than Pedroia and Cano. I think it will stay that way even though the season is only about 1/3 over.