Our National Pastime: 2015 Baseball Thread
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Maybe. But i'm betting that they'll have to trade for a starter. Isn't Nova also ailing? Also, Tanaka might not have much left in his tank heading into the final two months of the regular season.
How about Cespedes? That is a pretty big bat and since the Tigers are sellers of all their players on the last year of their contract this could be good for both teams. I love the guy and I would like to see Detroit keep him but we need to restock out pitching. Our Bullpen is pathetic and we need starters too.
I was a little surprised. Verlander just pitched a 8 inning gem striking out 10 including the last 4 players he faced. He dod not walk a batter two games in a row and 3 of has last 4 outings have been solid. I thought we could make a run but the problem is the bullpen....(Oh shit, the Tigers are putting in Shane Greene!!!!). I just don't think the Tigers have a chance to run the table if they get into the playoffs. Every win is a struggle. I think it is the correct thing to do. They just traded Soria for a AA player from Pittsburgh for a AA player Jacoby Jones.
BTW _ Shane Greenes first pitch as a reliever was hit so hard up the middle it almost undressed him like Charlie Brown.
Love to see him in a Met Uniform
All depends who you want .. You can certainly have Flores
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They should have traded for Washington's set-up man, who was their closer until the Papelbon acquisition. I'm sure that guy is pissed for losing his closer job without doing anything to lose it.
Or the Tigers could always try to make a trade with the Yankees for either Betances or Miller. Any of them could close anywhere.
Jays just got RHP Mark Lowe from Seattle for three minor leaguers. Good pick-up by the Jays!
There's also word that outfielder Ben Revere of the Phillies may be heading to Toronto. This would also be a very good trade for the Jays and would take care of their problems in left field.
By the way, word is that the Yankees are after Chapman and Kimbrel. I've also heard that Cespedes may be heading to the Angels.
There's also word that outfielder Ben Revere of the Phillies may be heading to Toronto. This would also be a very good trade for the Jays and would take care of their problems in left field.
By the way, word is that the Yankees are after Chapman and Kimbrel. I've also heard that Cespedes may be heading to the Angels.
I'm now hearing that Ben Revere to the Jays is nearly done. He'd also be the team's lead-off hitter, with Devon Travis now on the DL and possibly facing surgery in the future.
I'm also hearing that the Mets have also showed serious interest in Yoanes Cespedes. So with the Angels and the Mets showing interest, it seems likely that he'll be traded today.
I'm also hearing that the Mets have also showed serious interest in Yoanes Cespedes. So with the Angels and the Mets showing interest, it seems likely that he'll be traded today.
Blockbuster news: The Yankees have released pitcher Esmil Rogers & he's just signed with the Hanwha Eagles of the Korean professional baseball league.
The Ben Revere trade to the Jays has now been confirmed. The Jays will send two lesser-known minor leaguers to the Phillies. I also heard that the Phillies may be sending some money Toronto's way.
Revere will be an impact player with the Jays, who lost some speed & base-stealing ability when Jose Reyes was traded to Colorado. Revere will play left field against righties, and also play a bit of centerfield when Kevin Pillar will be given a rest.
I also love the Mark Lowe signing. This guy has been one of the best relief pitchers in the league this season and will be expected to be asked to pitch in the 7th and 8th innings.
The shocker of the day was the Yankees not making any moves. They wanted to add a closer at one point and one of those closers they were after was Kimbrel of the Padres. But SD didn't return their call after hearing Cashman's final offer. They did make a minor trade with Seattle yesterday, but after Mike Pineida went down for at least a month, many expected them to trade for a starter or two. It never happened.
Will over-confidence come back and haunt the Yankees? If so and the Yankees wind up missing the post-season, will Brian Cashman's job be safe?
The next two months should be very interesting. One thing is certain: I'll be heading to Toronto to catch a few ballgames over the next few weeks. Go Jays!!
Revere will be an impact player with the Jays, who lost some speed & base-stealing ability when Jose Reyes was traded to Colorado. Revere will play left field against righties, and also play a bit of centerfield when Kevin Pillar will be given a rest.
I also love the Mark Lowe signing. This guy has been one of the best relief pitchers in the league this season and will be expected to be asked to pitch in the 7th and 8th innings.
The shocker of the day was the Yankees not making any moves. They wanted to add a closer at one point and one of those closers they were after was Kimbrel of the Padres. But SD didn't return their call after hearing Cashman's final offer. They did make a minor trade with Seattle yesterday, but after Mike Pineida went down for at least a month, many expected them to trade for a starter or two. It never happened.
Will over-confidence come back and haunt the Yankees? If so and the Yankees wind up missing the post-season, will Brian Cashman's job be safe?
The next two months should be very interesting. One thing is certain: I'll be heading to Toronto to catch a few ballgames over the next few weeks. Go Jays!!
Actually i am very happy the Yanks did nothing today because it surely would have to involve one or more of Judge, Bird, Severino and Mateo and for a first place team playing really good baseball, there was no need to mortgage the future. Also extremely pleased Gary Sanchez and Rob Refsnyder are still in the Yankees system. Great day for the Yankees. Some of the best trade scenarios are the ones that never happen.
With that said, it was a great trade WEEK for the Jays indeed :thumb: They should get a playoff spot now.
With that said, it was a great trade WEEK for the Jays indeed :thumb: They should get a playoff spot now.
Just as i thought, he will make his major league debut next week against the rouge hosers. Good Luck Kid, show that pride, guts and determination that the pinstripes stand for :thumb:
What was even more surprising yesterday was the fact that the Red Sox weren't sellers. Do they actually think they still have a chance at the wild card? 
MLB Trade Deadline winners and losers: Mets, Blue Jays, Royals do well
by Jon Heyman, Baseball Insider
The trade deadline week saw three ace pitchers move, along with arguably the game's best shortstop. Sure, the final day was mostly a dud. But all the days leading up to the last one were nothing short of a thrill ride.
As it turned out, almost all of the best work was done in the days that led up to deadline day, with top pitchers David Price, Johnny Cueto and Cole Hamels all changing addresses in a trio of big deals during the week, and franchise shortstop Troy Tulowitzki finally being dealt after years of discussion about that very possibility.
Some very good prospects went in deals, and fairly, some of the winners were teams that shed veterans and added useful future pieces. It obviously wasn't just the acquirers of the aces and Tulo that came out ahead, though the Blue Jays certainly get extra points for obtaining exactly half of the four best players.
Without further ado, our annual trade-deadline list of winners and losers ...
Winners
1. Blue Jays : This team is full of surprises, and they pulled off two beauties this week, following up the late-night trade for Tulo with the acquisition of Price, one of baseball's very best pitchers. Toronto was already a wild-card threat with baseball's best offense (to date, it's not even close), but it looks like a potential powerhouse team now. Price gives them the ace they haven't had since Roy Halladay left town, and Tulo is an upgrade both offensively and defensively over Jose Reyes, who was showing some signs of slippage. For good measure, they added two bullpen pieces, the very veteran LaTroy Hawkins who came from Colorado with Tulo, and Mark Lowe, who was having a career year in Seattle. Tulo obviously comes with some risk, especially now that he's playing home games on turf, but the belief here is that he will be re-energized now that he's out of his Colorado comfort zone.
2. Royals: Johnny Cueto is one of baseball's best and most underrated great pitchers. His ERA is the second best in baseball to Clayton Kershaw since 2011, and he is more than a worthy Kansas City replacement for James Shields (albeit a half-year later). The Royals already looked like the best team in the American League, and this makes them that much better. One quibble: Ben Zobrist is a help, and they surely needed to add another hitter with Alex Gordon still out several more weeks, but they may have overpaid for him.
3. Astros: Their first move to acquire Houston's own Scott Kazmir is already paying dividends, as he's pitched two excellent games for the Astros already. Perhaps Kazmir is one of those guys who likes being near home (he is a former first-round pick out of Cypress Falls High in Houston), because he is pitching even better than he did in Oakland, where his 2.28 ERA was aided a bit by pitching home games in pitcher-friendly O.Co Coliseum. Carlos Gomez brings a little more proven offense in center field, and Mike Fiers will round out the rotation, though the Brewers should feel good about getting center field prospect Brett Phillips -- an "absolute stud," says one scout -- back in the deal. They tried to bolster a vastly improved bullpen by importing superstar closer Aroldis Chapman but in the end full short.
4. Rangers: They loved Cole Hamels from the start, and did what they could to provide ace Yu Darvish with a worthy partner at the top of their rotation starting in 2016 when Darvish returns. Some suggested Hamels is not really a bargain at $22.5 million a year, but the reality is that he's signed to a very sensible deal in terms of the length, with three more years to go. Plus, by sending Matt Harrison to Philly in the deal (and receiving $9.5 million back), the Phillies are effectively paying less than half Hamels' deal. Sure, the prospect loss hurt a bit. But one thing about the Rangers is that they always know where to find prospects.
5. Giants: San Francisco is one team that makes great trade deadline moves, and that's part of the reason they've won three rings in five years (remember Marco Scutaro?). Mike Leake is a fine and hot starter with a 1.25 ERA this month who should fit in nicely there and give Madison Bumgarner a run for his money as a hitter. Tim Hudson goes to the pen, giving the Giants the best rotation depth in baseball (Ryan Vogelsong and Yusmeiro Petit were already in the pen).
6. Mets: Yoenis Cespedes is just what they needed for their floundering offense, and with Travis d'Arnaud coming back, and yes, maybe even David Wright coming back, they could hit a lot better in the second half. Juan Uribe and Kelly Johnson were nice depth pickups, and Tyler Clippard adds to a pen that's questionable, with Jeurys Familia struggling and Jenrry Mejia gone with his second PED suspension. Good job, fellas, but it still feels like they need more help in the pen.
7. Phillies: They sure took their time trading Hamels, but when they did, they did pretty well by getting Jorge Alfaro, exactly the type of catching prospect they needed, plus the talented outfielder Nick Williams and three pitching prospects along with Harrison. Word is, they would have liked to have also gotten top outfield prospect Nomar Mazara, but they still did fine. Three young pitchers sweeten the deal. Unfortunately, they are still stuck with Phillie icons Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, and Carlos Ruiz, plus Aaron Harang and others.
8. Orioles: Gerardo Parra is having a big year and makes a reasonable $6 million and change. Yet, the Brewers must not have found the market that great for him. He is hitting .328, after all. One interested team even had the nerve to suggest that Milwaukee pay some of his underpriced contract. At least Baltimore is paying the freight, though pitching prospect Zach Davies doesn't quite seem like enough.
9. A's: To have acquired talented young left-hander Sean Manaea for a utilityman rental (OK, it's probably not fair to call Zobrist a utilityman) is nothing short of a coup. The market for Tyler Clippard, who was having a so-so season, wasn't very strong. But Manaea makes it all worth it.
10. Indians: To have gotten a nice pitching prospect back for a struggling Brandon Moss seems like a gift. Moss, who's been a big hitter in the past, had an OPS below .700 when he was dealt for left-handed pitcher Rob Kaminsky. Kaminsky is 20 and has a dynamic breaking ball. Good get.
Losers
1. Padres: Whoever guessed the Padres would do nothing besides adding lefty reliever Marc Rzepczynski, who's even harder to spell than hit, at the deadline, wins the big prize. The Padres put themselves in a bind with lots of big winter moves that haven't all panned out to this point. Then, after a winter of doing anything and everything, they did basically nothing. My suspicion is the Padres are right that they a lot better than they've played so far, and they will end up with a winning record. Their problem is that they're going to have to beat out at least one of the Dodgers, Giants and Pirates to make the playoffs, which is quite an improbability indeed. They had a chance to deal star closer Craig Kimbrel to the Yankees for top shortstop prospect Jorge Mateo and send back a lot of Jedd Gyorko's sunk contract but decided to hold onto one of the game's two best closers and keep the whole gang together.
The real surprise, though, was holding all the free agents to be – Justin Upton, Ian Kennedy and Will Venable. It seems they didn't have the expected market for Upton, so they figure they'll try to win as many games as possible, then take the draft choice when he rejects the qualifying offer. That makes some sense. The problem is the likelihood is they don't make the playoffs with their record (for them) $110-million payroll, and they no longer have the farm system after trading so many pieces to get Upton, Kimbrel, Matt Kemp and others to provide much confidence that they'll be any better next year.
2. Reds: There was a lot of talk about trading the superstar closer Chapman and talented outfielder Jay Bruce, but in the end they just went halfway on their rebuild. GM Walt Jocketty called it a “reboot,” not a rebuild. But it looks more like just a half a rebuild from here. Without Cueto going forward (and with veterans on overpriced contracts), it still seems hard to believe they can contend soon. The three guys they got for Cueto all have ability, but they may also be relievers. Keury Mella, one of two who came for Leake, has a nice fastball but needs work on his secondary pitches.
3. White Sox: It isn't their fault. They just got stuck in no man's land. When you're 3 1/2 games out but haven't hit (or for that matter, played very good defense), it's hard to imagine you're an honest-to-goodness contender. There is hope, however, as just about every one of their position players has underperformed, and Alexei Ramirez and Melky Cabrera seem to have awakened from their moribund starts. Plus, the AL wild card situation isn't nearly as daunting as the NL's.
4. Dodgers: Only they (and apparently the Braves and Marlins) could pull off a 13-player, three-way trade. When someone can figure it all out, please, get back to me. But I will say this. If you're going to run your payroll to $280 million and your tax to $40 million (they are at the 40-percent rate on overage), please come up with better rotation-mates for the great Zack Greinke and even greater Clayton Kershaw than Alex Wood and Mat Latos. Wood is solid and Latos is quirky, but this is something short of the super rotation we were all expecting. Everyone knows they wanted Cueto, Hamels or Price, three men befitting baseball's best-paying team, but they fell far short of that. Another interesting question is why they felt the need to trade Cuban hitting star Hector Olivera after giving him a $28-million bonus. Beyond the record payroll, they've spent a ton on guys who aren't even with them anymore. The good news: The guys they do have could easily be good enough to win a World Series.
5. Cardinals: It's hard to get on the Cardinals, as everything they do turns to gold. But Kaminsky seems like an overpay for a slumping Moss. Whatever, they continue to make miracles with their great play on the field, no matter how many players they lose to injury.
6. Brewers : The Brewers picked up some very good prospects, including Phillips. And while they traded five guys, it seems like a bigger rebuild was in order here. Trading shortstop Jean Segura, who hasn't produced like his reputation, seems like it would have been a worthwhile endeavor since they have one of the game's best shortstop prospects in Orlando Arcia and another good one in Luis Sardinas. It's understandable why there were no takers for struggling starters Kyle Lohse and Matt Garza, but as with Cincinnati, it feels like they did half the job.
Trade deadline winners and losers
by Jon Heyman, Baseball Insider
The trade deadline week saw three ace pitchers move, along with arguably the game's best shortstop. Sure, the final day was mostly a dud. But all the days leading up to the last one were nothing short of a thrill ride.
As it turned out, almost all of the best work was done in the days that led up to deadline day, with top pitchers David Price, Johnny Cueto and Cole Hamels all changing addresses in a trio of big deals during the week, and franchise shortstop Troy Tulowitzki finally being dealt after years of discussion about that very possibility.
Some very good prospects went in deals, and fairly, some of the winners were teams that shed veterans and added useful future pieces. It obviously wasn't just the acquirers of the aces and Tulo that came out ahead, though the Blue Jays certainly get extra points for obtaining exactly half of the four best players.
Without further ado, our annual trade-deadline list of winners and losers ...
Winners
1. Blue Jays : This team is full of surprises, and they pulled off two beauties this week, following up the late-night trade for Tulo with the acquisition of Price, one of baseball's very best pitchers. Toronto was already a wild-card threat with baseball's best offense (to date, it's not even close), but it looks like a potential powerhouse team now. Price gives them the ace they haven't had since Roy Halladay left town, and Tulo is an upgrade both offensively and defensively over Jose Reyes, who was showing some signs of slippage. For good measure, they added two bullpen pieces, the very veteran LaTroy Hawkins who came from Colorado with Tulo, and Mark Lowe, who was having a career year in Seattle. Tulo obviously comes with some risk, especially now that he's playing home games on turf, but the belief here is that he will be re-energized now that he's out of his Colorado comfort zone.
2. Royals: Johnny Cueto is one of baseball's best and most underrated great pitchers. His ERA is the second best in baseball to Clayton Kershaw since 2011, and he is more than a worthy Kansas City replacement for James Shields (albeit a half-year later). The Royals already looked like the best team in the American League, and this makes them that much better. One quibble: Ben Zobrist is a help, and they surely needed to add another hitter with Alex Gordon still out several more weeks, but they may have overpaid for him.
3. Astros: Their first move to acquire Houston's own Scott Kazmir is already paying dividends, as he's pitched two excellent games for the Astros already. Perhaps Kazmir is one of those guys who likes being near home (he is a former first-round pick out of Cypress Falls High in Houston), because he is pitching even better than he did in Oakland, where his 2.28 ERA was aided a bit by pitching home games in pitcher-friendly O.Co Coliseum. Carlos Gomez brings a little more proven offense in center field, and Mike Fiers will round out the rotation, though the Brewers should feel good about getting center field prospect Brett Phillips -- an "absolute stud," says one scout -- back in the deal. They tried to bolster a vastly improved bullpen by importing superstar closer Aroldis Chapman but in the end full short.
4. Rangers: They loved Cole Hamels from the start, and did what they could to provide ace Yu Darvish with a worthy partner at the top of their rotation starting in 2016 when Darvish returns. Some suggested Hamels is not really a bargain at $22.5 million a year, but the reality is that he's signed to a very sensible deal in terms of the length, with three more years to go. Plus, by sending Matt Harrison to Philly in the deal (and receiving $9.5 million back), the Phillies are effectively paying less than half Hamels' deal. Sure, the prospect loss hurt a bit. But one thing about the Rangers is that they always know where to find prospects.
5. Giants: San Francisco is one team that makes great trade deadline moves, and that's part of the reason they've won three rings in five years (remember Marco Scutaro?). Mike Leake is a fine and hot starter with a 1.25 ERA this month who should fit in nicely there and give Madison Bumgarner a run for his money as a hitter. Tim Hudson goes to the pen, giving the Giants the best rotation depth in baseball (Ryan Vogelsong and Yusmeiro Petit were already in the pen).
6. Mets: Yoenis Cespedes is just what they needed for their floundering offense, and with Travis d'Arnaud coming back, and yes, maybe even David Wright coming back, they could hit a lot better in the second half. Juan Uribe and Kelly Johnson were nice depth pickups, and Tyler Clippard adds to a pen that's questionable, with Jeurys Familia struggling and Jenrry Mejia gone with his second PED suspension. Good job, fellas, but it still feels like they need more help in the pen.
7. Phillies: They sure took their time trading Hamels, but when they did, they did pretty well by getting Jorge Alfaro, exactly the type of catching prospect they needed, plus the talented outfielder Nick Williams and three pitching prospects along with Harrison. Word is, they would have liked to have also gotten top outfield prospect Nomar Mazara, but they still did fine. Three young pitchers sweeten the deal. Unfortunately, they are still stuck with Phillie icons Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, and Carlos Ruiz, plus Aaron Harang and others.
8. Orioles: Gerardo Parra is having a big year and makes a reasonable $6 million and change. Yet, the Brewers must not have found the market that great for him. He is hitting .328, after all. One interested team even had the nerve to suggest that Milwaukee pay some of his underpriced contract. At least Baltimore is paying the freight, though pitching prospect Zach Davies doesn't quite seem like enough.
9. A's: To have acquired talented young left-hander Sean Manaea for a utilityman rental (OK, it's probably not fair to call Zobrist a utilityman) is nothing short of a coup. The market for Tyler Clippard, who was having a so-so season, wasn't very strong. But Manaea makes it all worth it.
10. Indians: To have gotten a nice pitching prospect back for a struggling Brandon Moss seems like a gift. Moss, who's been a big hitter in the past, had an OPS below .700 when he was dealt for left-handed pitcher Rob Kaminsky. Kaminsky is 20 and has a dynamic breaking ball. Good get.
Losers
1. Padres: Whoever guessed the Padres would do nothing besides adding lefty reliever Marc Rzepczynski, who's even harder to spell than hit, at the deadline, wins the big prize. The Padres put themselves in a bind with lots of big winter moves that haven't all panned out to this point. Then, after a winter of doing anything and everything, they did basically nothing. My suspicion is the Padres are right that they a lot better than they've played so far, and they will end up with a winning record. Their problem is that they're going to have to beat out at least one of the Dodgers, Giants and Pirates to make the playoffs, which is quite an improbability indeed. They had a chance to deal star closer Craig Kimbrel to the Yankees for top shortstop prospect Jorge Mateo and send back a lot of Jedd Gyorko's sunk contract but decided to hold onto one of the game's two best closers and keep the whole gang together.
The real surprise, though, was holding all the free agents to be – Justin Upton, Ian Kennedy and Will Venable. It seems they didn't have the expected market for Upton, so they figure they'll try to win as many games as possible, then take the draft choice when he rejects the qualifying offer. That makes some sense. The problem is the likelihood is they don't make the playoffs with their record (for them) $110-million payroll, and they no longer have the farm system after trading so many pieces to get Upton, Kimbrel, Matt Kemp and others to provide much confidence that they'll be any better next year.
2. Reds: There was a lot of talk about trading the superstar closer Chapman and talented outfielder Jay Bruce, but in the end they just went halfway on their rebuild. GM Walt Jocketty called it a “reboot,” not a rebuild. But it looks more like just a half a rebuild from here. Without Cueto going forward (and with veterans on overpriced contracts), it still seems hard to believe they can contend soon. The three guys they got for Cueto all have ability, but they may also be relievers. Keury Mella, one of two who came for Leake, has a nice fastball but needs work on his secondary pitches.
3. White Sox: It isn't their fault. They just got stuck in no man's land. When you're 3 1/2 games out but haven't hit (or for that matter, played very good defense), it's hard to imagine you're an honest-to-goodness contender. There is hope, however, as just about every one of their position players has underperformed, and Alexei Ramirez and Melky Cabrera seem to have awakened from their moribund starts. Plus, the AL wild card situation isn't nearly as daunting as the NL's.
4. Dodgers: Only they (and apparently the Braves and Marlins) could pull off a 13-player, three-way trade. When someone can figure it all out, please, get back to me. But I will say this. If you're going to run your payroll to $280 million and your tax to $40 million (they are at the 40-percent rate on overage), please come up with better rotation-mates for the great Zack Greinke and even greater Clayton Kershaw than Alex Wood and Mat Latos. Wood is solid and Latos is quirky, but this is something short of the super rotation we were all expecting. Everyone knows they wanted Cueto, Hamels or Price, three men befitting baseball's best-paying team, but they fell far short of that. Another interesting question is why they felt the need to trade Cuban hitting star Hector Olivera after giving him a $28-million bonus. Beyond the record payroll, they've spent a ton on guys who aren't even with them anymore. The good news: The guys they do have could easily be good enough to win a World Series.
5. Cardinals: It's hard to get on the Cardinals, as everything they do turns to gold. But Kaminsky seems like an overpay for a slumping Moss. Whatever, they continue to make miracles with their great play on the field, no matter how many players they lose to injury.
6. Brewers : The Brewers picked up some very good prospects, including Phillips. And while they traded five guys, it seems like a bigger rebuild was in order here. Trading shortstop Jean Segura, who hasn't produced like his reputation, seems like it would have been a worthwhile endeavor since they have one of the game's best shortstop prospects in Orlando Arcia and another good one in Luis Sardinas. It's understandable why there were no takers for struggling starters Kyle Lohse and Matt Garza, but as with Cincinnati, it feels like they did half the job.
Trade deadline winners and losers
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That's too bad. I thought by now the team would be in a position to dominate. It's criminal that they have not developed a good bullpen.
With two big additions the Jays should be able to catch the Yankees who are skating in a poor division with an easier second half schedule thanks significantly to their lock down relievers.
Big rumors yesterday about Jackie Bradley Jr. who like Iglesias had an outstanding glove but has not developed as a hitter. Like Iglesias, fans love his field play and are dying for him to hit well enough to be an every day player. Three teams were said to be in a deal involving Red Sox, Cubs, forget the other. Farrell came on just before the game and squashed the rumor.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2015/...e-efforts-on-carrasco-and-ross-bradley-on-the
With less than two hours to go until the trade deadline, the Red Sox are focused in on pitchers Carlos Carrasco and Tyson Ross according to Gordon Edes, who says Jackie Bradley Jr. might well be one the way out in any given deal.
For the Red Sox who are in major need of pitching help before 2016, the trade deadline has become something of a second offseason, with Boston targetting young pitchers with years of team control left, perhaps concerned that if they waited until October they would already have been traded to contenders or had their teams shift focus from selling to buying.
Both Ross and Carrasco are interesting candidates, the relative merits and risks of whom we've already covered today as the deadline madness got underway. The thing about both is that they're not exactly the surefire anchor the Red Sox really need when it comes down to it. Both are in the midst of slightly uncertain seasons, which at once might keep the price down a little, but also leaves the Red Sox headed into 2016 in a similarly uncertain situation to what they faced heading into 2015. Perhaps if Clay Buchholz weren't once again set to come off a season where he spent most of the second half on the disabled list...but that scenario has not boded well for Buchholz in years past.
Given that, Carrasco and Ross are fine--even very good options as one of two major pitching acquisitions, but they can't carry the burden alone. Headed into 2016 with a rotation of Buchholz, Carrasco/Ross, Porcello, Miley, and Rodriguez relies too much on too many uncertain pieces, especially if either Ross or Carrasco requires the Red Sox to trade away some of their Triple-A rotation depth.
The Red Sox would not be wrong to pick up either of the two starters, depending on the price. But their work would certainly not be over, and they'd be in a strange position with five obvious starters locked in but the rotation still unfinished. Under those circumstances, it wouldn't be surprising to see them look to trade one of their more easily moved pitchers like Wade Miley in order to make a significant upgrade.
As for the inclusion of Jackie Bradley Jr., that's really no surprise at all. While Red Sox fans are glad he's finally getting a consistent chance to play after tearing up Triple-A, he would have to do an awful lot to make the Red Sox comfortable enough to give him a starting role. He's got value even as just an excellent defender, but he's definitely the sort of player the Red Sox are looking to move if they can.
Speaking of which...
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That's too bad. I thought by now the team would be in a position to dominate. It's criminal that they have not developed a good bullpen.
With two big additions the Jays should be able to catch the Yankees who are skating in a poor division with an easier second half schedule thanks significantly to their lock down relievers.
Big rumors yesterday about Jackie Bradley Jr. who like Iglesias had an outstanding glove but has not developed as a hitter. Like Iglesias, fans love his field play and are dying for him to hit well enough to be an every day player. Three teams were said to be in a deal involving Red Sox, Cubs, forget the other. Farrell came on just before the game and squashed the rumor.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2015/...e-efforts-on-carrasco-and-ross-bradley-on-the
With less than two hours to go until the trade deadline, the Red Sox are focused in on pitchers Carlos Carrasco and Tyson Ross according to Gordon Edes, who says Jackie Bradley Jr. might well be one the way out in any given deal.
For the Red Sox who are in major need of pitching help before 2016, the trade deadline has become something of a second offseason, with Boston targetting young pitchers with years of team control left, perhaps concerned that if they waited until October they would already have been traded to contenders or had their teams shift focus from selling to buying.
Both Ross and Carrasco are interesting candidates, the relative merits and risks of whom we've already covered today as the deadline madness got underway. The thing about both is that they're not exactly the surefire anchor the Red Sox really need when it comes down to it. Both are in the midst of slightly uncertain seasons, which at once might keep the price down a little, but also leaves the Red Sox headed into 2016 in a similarly uncertain situation to what they faced heading into 2015. Perhaps if Clay Buchholz weren't once again set to come off a season where he spent most of the second half on the disabled list...but that scenario has not boded well for Buchholz in years past.
Given that, Carrasco and Ross are fine--even very good options as one of two major pitching acquisitions, but they can't carry the burden alone. Headed into 2016 with a rotation of Buchholz, Carrasco/Ross, Porcello, Miley, and Rodriguez relies too much on too many uncertain pieces, especially if either Ross or Carrasco requires the Red Sox to trade away some of their Triple-A rotation depth.
The Red Sox would not be wrong to pick up either of the two starters, depending on the price. But their work would certainly not be over, and they'd be in a strange position with five obvious starters locked in but the rotation still unfinished. Under those circumstances, it wouldn't be surprising to see them look to trade one of their more easily moved pitchers like Wade Miley in order to make a significant upgrade.
As for the inclusion of Jackie Bradley Jr., that's really no surprise at all. While Red Sox fans are glad he's finally getting a consistent chance to play after tearing up Triple-A, he would have to do an awful lot to make the Red Sox comfortable enough to give him a starting role. He's got value even as just an excellent defender, but he's definitely the sort of player the Red Sox are looking to move if they can.
Speaking of which...
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Merlot
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