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rumpleforeskiin

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Ah yes, The New York Yankees, The Bronx Billion Dollar Bust...back to baseball. This from Joel Sherman in today's NY Post.

Scary thought, Yanks fans: These 5 games could be sign of things to come

These first five games for the Yankees could have gone worse. Pinstripes could have been outlawed or Monument Park could have become contaminated or all fans could have received David Ortiz bobblehead dolls.

But aside from that, this has been just about as miserable a five games as could be imagined.

The Yankees have played 55 innings and have led in one.

To date, they can’t hit, field or run the bases. Their starting pitching has been, at best, ordinary and their relief has not been as good as advertised.

They cratered on Saturday, getting humiliated 8-4 by the Red Sox. They managed five hits, but four came in the final two innings after falling behind by seven runs. They committed three more errors and that merely hinted at their defensive incompetence.

“I think we are a much better team than how we have played,” manager Joe Girardi said. “If we play at this pace all year, we’re not going to have many wins and I think we are much better than this.”

They are 1-4 and their one victory was a gift basket delivered by the Blue Jays. The pinnacle of their season, to date, was being plucky on Friday night to keep coming back late before losing 6-5 to Boston in 19 innings. The Yankees actually played highlights of their big hits before Saturday’s game. This is what they are reduced to these days — bragging about positive achievements in losses.

Talk about stuff that would make George Steinbrenner vomit.

You can say it is just a snapshot. But keep this in mind: After Sunday, an offense that was built specifically for Yankee Stadium goes on the road for 25-of-35 games. And this is what the Yanks look like before suffering a serious injury. Think about the Knicks, who were abysmal with Carmelo Anthony and historically bad without him.

On Sunday night, the Yankees send out a mystery named Masahiro Tanaka, who seems as anxious to talk about his fastball as he is to throw one. He said he had a discussion about velocity with Girardi, but did not want to discuss the details with reporters, indicating his manager would. Girardi, though, would not even confirm a meeting, saying this was a private matter with a player.

One of these days the uptight Yankees manager might figure out he is the lead spokesman for the team and that among the reasons he gets paid significant money is his fan base is interested in the major issues around the team. The question was about Tanaka’s velocity, not if he were evading taxes. Twenty-nine other managers discuss this. The Yankees skipper — like most issues — treats it like nuclear codes. And this is the tense behavior not even a week into the season.

Overall, the Yankees keep saying Tanaka’s average velocity was similar in the opener as it was last year. But that is a dodge. If Tanaka throws 25 fastballs all at 90 mph, the average is 90 mph. If he throws 20 at 90 and five at 95, the average is 91. The averages are similar, but where are the five 95s? The wonder has been about the missing peaks. Also, why would the Blue Jays hitters all say he was not the same guy?

What is scary is that Tanaka might not even be the No. 1 problem.

At this moment, it is difficult to tell what is lower, Didi Gregorius’ batting average or baseball IQ. His brain lock Saturday was holding onto a relay while a runner he could have made a play on at the plate scored not only without a throw, but without even a look from Gregorius.

Dellin Betances can’t throw consistent strikes. John Ryan Murphy, supposedly a defensive specialist, has looked bad behind the plate as Alex Rodriguez looked at first base Saturday. And A-Rod looked like a Little Leaguer using two hands to catch — or in one case not catch — throws. At least he had an excuse as this was his first regular season game ever at the position.

What is the alibi for an offense hitting a collective .193? Boston starter Joe Kelly came off the disabled list (biceps tendinitis) on a 90-pitch limit and the Yankee offense put simulated-game-level pressure on him with one hit in seven innings.

The defense not only made the three errors, but Brett Gardner and Garrett Jones had flyballs go off their gloves, Chase Headley could not turn an infield-in grounder into an out at the plate, Murphy was charged with a passed ball and looked woeful trying to stop two steal attempts.

Remember, this was a team that was going to cover up shortcomings with elite defense and relief. As plans go, New Coke was better.

Maybe it is just five games and the Yankees are far better than this. Or perhaps this is a revelatory snapshot of a long season to come.


OK, here's what I think. The Yankees aren't really this bad. They're bad, but they're not going to lose 135 games. 90 maybe, but not 135.
 

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He certainly knows his craft

One of the best players ever

His brother Ken could hit also, he had 10 home runs ( and he was a pitcher )

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Nice to see you posting about baseball for a change. After all this is a baseball thread, not a whining about other posters thread. Keep up the good work.

Ah, yes, but you haven't given your opinion about what George Brett has said rumps. What do you think?
 

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He certainly knows his craft

One of the best players ever

His brother Ken could hit also, he had 10 home runs ( and he was a pitcher )

Best Regards

Smuler

Wow, I remember when Ken Brett pitched for the Phillies and the Pirates. He also was on the Red Sox, Royals and Yankees. He sadly died of brain cancer at age 55. What a baseball family the Brett family was. Thank you for bringing up his name, Smuler.
 

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OK, here's what I think. The Yankees aren't really this bad. They're bad, but they're not going to lose 135 games. 90 maybe, but not 135.

Ok, so you think the Yankees and the Red Sox will change places this year? The Red Sox will win 84 games and the Yankees will win 71?
 

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OK, here's what I think. The Yankees aren't really this bad. They're bad, but they're not going to lose 135 games. 90 maybe, but not 135.

Uh...135 games??? Has any team ever lost 135 games? Don't think so. Even the 1962 Mets were only bad enough to lose 120 games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worst_Major_League_Baseball_season_records

The Cleveland Spiders with 134 would have done it in 1899 if there had been a 162-game season, but the Mets beat the 2003 Tigers (119) by one game.

Devastating article Rumps. Imagine if the Sox had a solid closer how bad the the Yanks would be looking right now.

ish,

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I agree, George Brett was a fun player to watch and root for and had a great sense of humor. I remember hearing something about when he had hemroids he said after he was better in a interview "my problems are behind me now" .......... thought the guy was gonna blow a gasket in the pine tar incident when they called his HR back lol. Great guy great player! A lot of baseball players today have the personalities of hockey players and give the most boring interviews, but not George!

He certainly knows his craft

One of the best players ever

His brother Ken could hit also, he had 10 home runs ( and he was a pitcher )

Best Regards

Smuler
 

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George Brett once said that he wanted to play second base so that all the guys who owned him in Rotisserie baseball could use him at that position. He is also credited with creating the term "Mendoza Line."
 

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Ok, so you think the Yankees and the Red Sox will change places this year? The Red Sox will win 84 games and the Yankees will win 71?
I don't know how many they will win. Right now the Sox have a much stronger roster, one less likely to suffer injuries and a stronger, deeper farm system. That said we don't know who will actually get hurt and who the teams will acquire between now and the trade deadline.
 

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And to think that cLay "broken back" buckholts is the rouge hosers ace this year until rick porcellos contract kicks in next year lol.....gonna be a long year for "broke back" :thumb:

Is it me or is something wrong with Clay's fastball, I mean it is topping out at 90-91 mph, not a good sign, could be a hidden problem(IR next perhaps) dunno.:noidea:
 

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Yo, rumples, you there?, talk to me brother.:D

rumps is way too busy looking for another article saying how well the red sox will do and how bad the yankees will do, except he's having a hard time finding for a credible source.
 

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rumps is way too busy looking for another article saying how well the red sox will do and how bad the yankees will do, except he's having a hard time finding for a credible source.

I have to disagree with you on this one DD, at this moment rumps is firmly tucked away underneath the sheets in bed having one of his legendary delusional dreams about how great the Red Sox will be this year, after all it is after 9pm.:D
 

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I have to disagree with you on this one DD, at this moment rumps is firmly tucked away underneath the sheets in bed having one of his legendary delusional dreams about how great the Red Sox will be this year, after all it is after 9pm.:D

Does he have his Official Big Poppy PJ's on? I suppose he'll have reoccurring dreams like that only to wake up and realize the parade will never happen. Poor little rumps. :(
 

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Yo, rumples, you there?, talk to me brother.:D
Jozo, my boy, nice to see you back, however briefly. How's the cave? Better not lose your directions since you'll be heading back that way soon.

You weren't expecting the Sox to win 'em all, were you? I'm certainly not. Still 4-6 on the road to start the season, admittedly against two lousy teams, is something I'll take any time, just as you can't be happy losing 4-6 in your home park, admittedly to two good teams.

I'm sure you're thrilled with this 2-4 start from your healthy team. They'll be something when they start breaking down.

And to think that cLay "broken back" buckholts is the rouge hosers ace this year until rick porcellos contract kicks in next year lol.....gonna be a long year for "broke back" :thumb:
Yep, Clay had a stinker. One more stinker and he'll be even with the $155 Million Tanaka. He's 2-2 in Stinko City. Personally, I'd rather have a pitcher who sucks half the time than one who sucks all the time.
 

rumpleforeskiin

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Yo, rumples, you there?, talk to me brother.:D

Does he have his Official Big Poppy PJ's on? I suppose he'll have reoccurring dreams like that only to wake up and realize the parade will never happen. Poor little rumps. :(

A bit of analysis of the language used in these two posts. It's not hard to discern whose post is playful banter and whose is the retort of an angry bitter man.

First, the re-working of the handle. Which of the two, rumps or rumples, has a friendly sound and which is harsh and unattractive. Easy.
Next, Joe, calling me brother, is signaling the playfulness of his post. Contrast that with the bitter tone of "poor little rumps."
Finally, Joe finishes his post with a smile, in distinct contrast to the sad face in the following post.

It's pretty to see who is having fun here and who is venting his anger and frustration.
 

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Is it me or is something wrong with Clay's fastball...

What's wrong with his fastball is that he no longer has one. :rolleyes:

But seriously! The guy doesn't look well! He looks like he may weigh no more than 140 lbs!!! I've seen patients in cancer wards with months to live who look better than he does! Seriously, it's not just about the weight.....CLAY BUCHOLZ LOOKS SERIOUSLY ILL!!!! :eek:

(And he also sucks....badly!)
 

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I've got to say when I checked the score I had a split second of shock until I saw who was pitching for the Sox then I couldn't help having an impulsive nervous BIG LAUGH. :lol: :lol: :lol: When your number 1 pitcher goes from untouchable against one poor team to bombs away against a stinker team I could not help laughing at the absurdity of the Jekyll and Hyde contrast of the outcomes. What is the value of having some of the best pitching stuff in the world if you are going to piss it away like you never had it at all in every 2 or 3 start chances. Is the guy worth $20 million a year or 20 cents??? It's TIRING! You got to laugh it off to deal with it. :D Guffaw....GUFFAW!!!

Oh Clay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO_y2LCjjcU Can You See...WTF is it with this guy.

Ppppppffffffffsssssssssssssttttttttttttt!!!

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