In a nutshell! What often distinguishes some escorts from others is their ability to "size" the client, to adapt and to deliver. Some escorts, like you accurately pointed out, are so good at reading the client that quite a few will step out of the session with increased knowledge of their own preferences.Karma said:What makes a good escort is the capacity to give the client whatever he desires. If he wants illusion you give him illusion, if he wants sincerity you give him sincerity. As simple as that
PS. Beware tho, what men say is not always what men really want
Positive discussion about the hobby : Illusions VS Sincerity
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Karma said:
Most of the time, yes it IS what men want. Applying your statement to women is more accurate, but with the emphasis on predictability - that most of what women say most of the time is not what they really want but just what they say because it's a means to an end for which they only reveal to people in their lives they are most intimate with or desire to have great intimacy with.
It's the nature of Adam and Eve and most men remain as ignorant as Adam, but at least most men are significantly more honest in what they say they want than women are. Women use that to their advantage and it's borderline mass mental sadism of one sex over another.
Elizabeth said:
Perhaps. She said men, that's what I took it as.
And since when do women believe what any man says, unless they are already seriously into him? Women choose to believe what they want to satisfy their own desires and when slighted can later blame the man. It does not take much to get a man into bed, and very easy to get a man to believe just about anything to keep him strung along. Women can choose to come and go as they please and more often than not cause themselves damage but blame the men for it. When it comes to sex, women have the power, and we all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I really do not agree with this. Women are far more cunning than men to get what they want when they want from who they want and how they want it when the topic at hand is sex.
I have been wrestling with the illusion question for a while. I must say that I like being special, being a good lover, being a great conversationalist and so forth. Guess I am to some extend as I look at my past life.
But let's face it, I rarely achieve in the 2 or 3 hours that I spend with an SP the same in real life i.e. going from complete strangers to having a great conversation as friends while starting to make love and going to the full act latter on. Now this is part of the illusion the time frame is accelerated.
I do repeat a lot with some SP. Why? I think because with them the first non sexual part of the equation went smoother, was more comfortable and the person in front of me was someone I wanted to know more about. Now why did I want to know more about them, because they sounded more sincere.
Are they really sincere? I don't really want to know, that is were the illusion comes to play. Just like a good magic trick, once you know it, the magic is gone, it is just a trick. There is a big difference to me in knowing it is a trick and knowing the trick.
I do believe they are sincere, I wouldn't go on if I didn't.
Now what about the sexual part of the encounter, the more I connect, the more the sincerity shines through, the better the sex is in a more intimate personal way, it stops being the act of but becomes an enjoyment of life.
If I look at encounter where sex was the main part of the action, Marie-Eve from Devilish comes to mind, I always say to myself boy I would like to repeat with her but I never did so far because every time I wanted more than just unbelievable non stop sex. Call me crazy.
But let's face it, I rarely achieve in the 2 or 3 hours that I spend with an SP the same in real life i.e. going from complete strangers to having a great conversation as friends while starting to make love and going to the full act latter on. Now this is part of the illusion the time frame is accelerated.
I do repeat a lot with some SP. Why? I think because with them the first non sexual part of the equation went smoother, was more comfortable and the person in front of me was someone I wanted to know more about. Now why did I want to know more about them, because they sounded more sincere.
Are they really sincere? I don't really want to know, that is were the illusion comes to play. Just like a good magic trick, once you know it, the magic is gone, it is just a trick. There is a big difference to me in knowing it is a trick and knowing the trick.
I do believe they are sincere, I wouldn't go on if I didn't.
Now what about the sexual part of the encounter, the more I connect, the more the sincerity shines through, the better the sex is in a more intimate personal way, it stops being the act of but becomes an enjoyment of life.
If I look at encounter where sex was the main part of the action, Marie-Eve from Devilish comes to mind, I always say to myself boy I would like to repeat with her but I never did so far because every time I wanted more than just unbelievable non stop sex. Call me crazy.
Elizabeth said:
Liz,
I am going to let you in on a secret. I've been with Luna of XXXtase twice and both times I couldn't get an erection. Here I was with one of the most gorgeous SPs in Montreal and I couldn't stay hard. It frustrated me and yet I love being with her. I would repeat with her in a flash. I love the way she kisses with passion, I love DATY with her and I love talking with her.
Do I think she's sincere with me? Up to a point yes, but there is a lot of illusion there. I am sure if I dated her we would get into wicked fights. But when I see her for a couple of hours, the chemistry is there and even though I never penetrated her, I just love being with her.
I think part of the reason why I can't keep an erection with her is that I do not see her as an SP. It has happened to me with other ladies where I feel so comfortable that I can't get into a sexually horny state. Other times, I will be with a very average looking lady like Jessica (previously of Eleganza) and I will orgasm like crazy because she'll put on the sexual illusion perfectly. She was pleasant to talk with but in sex she pushed the right buttons, like talking dirty to me in the doggy position.
I felt like I was with an SP.When the SP feels too much like a real girlfriend, I often do not get sexual urges but it doesn't mean that the encounter sucks. Often times I'll remember those ladies a lot more than the ones that made me orgasm.
Too many guys on the boards put undo pressure on themselves to have multiple SOGs, believing that this is the hallmark of a great encounter. Nothing can be further from the truth. Just as in the real world, a great encounter starts in the mind and ends in the heart.
GG
Definition of a secret= something you say to one person only while telling them not to repeat it to anyone
Now Elizabeth knows about it and I know about it. It is not a secret anymore.
I know what you mean, and I guess we are basically saying the same thing GG, Doc Holliday and LBT ( I like to talk in the 3rd person) when you read the last 3 posts. We need more from an encounter then just the sexual part.
But would you go for an encounter with no sex agreed upon right from the start or does the possibility still being in the back of your mind makes the encounter much better?
Would you become friends with an SP if and when you become friend it would mean no more sex from now on?
Elizabeth said:
Liz,
Don't get me wrong, there are times when my hormones are raging - I mean states of elevated horniness where I want to just fuck like a rabbit.
Sorry for being vulgar but it's the truth. I remember meeting Nancy Dupuis from Montreal Hot Girls for an hour, which I typically do not do since I like long sessions, keeping the chit chat to a minimum and then engaging in some hardcore sex with her. When I exploded, I just wanted her to leave. It's cold to say but she served her purpose and I wanted her out of there afterwards. She's a nice lady but I just didn't want to chat too much.But sex has never been the primary motivating factor to make me call for a lady. It's nice when you get it all, but if I can get intimate kissing and nice conversation, I am very happy. Sometimes I am having sex, pretending that I am into it, thinking whatever, been there done that...I can only imagine what the ladies are thinking.
GG
P.S. I want to correct something. While I find Jessica (formerly of Eleganza) is average looking in her face, she has a very hot body, a great ass and she's a total sweetheart. She is not an "average SP".
Elizabeth said:
I wouldn't call it a negative view. I would call it a view of reality. It doesn't really come from any negativity inside me, I just allow myself to see the reality than try to veil it.
Perhaps it has been my bad luck but after some time when it becomes too common, there's no other conclusion than what I've come to and until anything changes I've no other reality to consider.
Trying to understand here. Being sincere would mean what exactly? The SP, for instance, is not attracted towards the client and therefore walks out on him instead of accommodating? If this question qualifies as "sincerity", then my understanding of your question is: would the client rather being told the truth (i.e. "Nothing personal, Charlie, but you just don't cut it") instead of being spared the truth (i.e. "You're really someone special, Charlie")?Elizabeth said:
As far as I'm concerned, SP's approach their business the way they see fit. If, for some SP's, I must go through a whole qualification process before being allowed in the room with them, so be it. On the other hand, if I'm not comfortable with the screening, I can bring my business elsewhere at any time: frankly, I'll take fast-delivered illusion over sincerity if sincerity involves too much humming and hawing. Sorry, girl, but we don't have all day.
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Huh?!?!
Oh well ... so much for that idea!
ROFLMFAO ...
Oscar Madison said it best : "I see da irony, Felix. Beleiv'me I see da irony."
Elizabeth said:Note that I mentioned "positive discussion about the hobby" in the title. So please, let's try to have an interesting and enlighting exchange.
........... and the very first reply is .......
Elizabeth,
The majority of hobbyists don't give a rat's ass about how an SP really feels.
Oh well ... so much for that idea!
ROFLMFAO ...
Oscar Madison said it best : "I see da irony, Felix. Beleiv'me I see da irony."
Ziggy Montana said:Who doesn't like a compliment from time to time, sincere or not? BTW, don't believe everything you hear.
You mean I wasn't Tatianna's highlight of the day?
GG
Maxima said:
It's easy, if she tells you that she is going to share a secret with you and only you, you can bet your ass she's sincere. One SP recently told me that she was so excited upon finding out she was going to meet me, that she started playing with herself in the car right before our encounter.
GG
P.S. Sincerity prize goes to Karma when she once admitted: "I would never marry a guy like you because you love too many women."
Doc Holliday said:
Ziggy,Ziggy Montana said:
Doc will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I know who he's talking about. I heard the same thing too, from the madam herself a long time ago, and I come to the same conclusion.
Most guys go see escort knowing that sex will be part of the equation, but from some guys it's 100% of the equation (chablis 1 hour type guys banging the girl from minute 1 to minute 59 as someone wrote earlier), and for other it's much less than that (4 hours and more dinner dates, vacation trips, etc), with a whole range of variation in between.
Now why do you repeat with an SP? Only because she's cute and has the most beautiful body? Naaah! Because she gets wet and sucks you well? For some guys, yeah, maybe, but wait... Because she's a good lover? Yeah, sorta that too... But I'd say it's mostly because she makes you feel YOU're a good lover and you "clicked" together? You bet! Are you insecure because of that? Naaaah! You just like to please and get pleased, feel the girl is also having her pleasure, feels good with you, etc.
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Wow! Talk about delivering the illusion the client wants to hear!!!General Gonad said:One SP recently told me that she was so excited upon finding out she was going to meet me, that she started playing with herself in the car right before our encounter.
CoolAmadeus said:Wow! Talk about delivering the illusion the client wants to hear!!!
Hehehehe, I got you!
That never happened but I delude myself thinking that they all play with themselves right before they meet me.GG
P.S. Maybe they play with themselves after they meet me!
What? You think you're not satisfying them? Oh well... After all they want their orgasm too. Better late than never!General Gonad said:P.S. Maybe they play with themselves after they meet me!
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