Race/Ethinicity Question

[Passionné]

I was at XO's party and yes EB is right there were a few men of color, blacks, yellows and browns.

No matter who was giving an agency party there's a difference between what a very racially mixed clientele at a party means about who the agency accepts, everyone, and racial attitudes a lady may have hidden which she knows would be very wise to hide for obvious business reasons.

It is up to the girl to choose to whether go full blast in an agency or not. In an agency, you are vulnerable to be intimate with all kinds of dudes and if you are fully aware of this, then by all means, the agency is for you. It is up to the girl to decide whether she is ready for this or not. Therefore, whether race, being dirty, young, too old or whatever reason should not be an issue, there should be no reason for refusing a client when you work for an agency, period.

This is quite an excellent point. Joining an agency means accepting agency policy. We don't know the necessary facts about this singular issue about rbrown, but on the whole when a lady joins an agency with full open acceptance ( except where health or a threat is involved) she should know and accept agency rules and policies. otherwise she can have the greater freedom of going Independent. Of course if any lady has legit concerns of some kind of health or physical harm no one can blame her for backing out. But if she chooses to segregate by race, it's her right but she should not represent any agency where her feelings do not match their policies.

 

[westwoody]

I wonder if the O P was declined for some other reason?
Or if it was a session that went wrong?
Sometimes in the heat of the moment we misinterpret what others are trying to tell us.
It has happened to me...pride gets in the way of reason and you end up saying things you regret.

 

[rbrown1000]

I am waiting to get details from rbrown1000 in private and investigate the legitimacy of everything he said.

I do not recall rbrown1000's story; Neither does Max.

To my knowledge, it never occurred at XO for a girl to reject a client during an incall for any reason.
But if a girl tells me I do not want to see X client again after the session, I respect the girl's decision.

We have many brown, black and other minority clients that are well known on MERB.
rbrown1000 is a first time poster, which makes it hard to believe his story.
Like EagerBeaver mentioned, there were many ethnic minorities at the recent XO party we had.

If anything like this were to occur, I would contact the booker directly; it is more than worth it especially one with a good reputation.
Both Max & I were clients as well. We could understand many different situations, work things out and make the hobbying experience better for everyone.

Sam:yo:

Sir, I was going to call your agency I was a little busy over the weekend but after reading your comments I think I was wise not to call you.

Yes I am a first time poster on this board because I am new to this city. I read reviews until now but never participated in any discussion on this board before. You brought my legitimacy into question as a first time poster? So for example if your wallet is stolen at a bus stop and you complain to the authorities would you like them to look into it or dismiss you because it was the first time you filed a complaint?

Anyway my only aim by sharing this experience here was to find out if this situation has happened to anyone else and how they have dealt with it.

I have no intention of going after your agency's reputation. Lets leave it at that.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I have no intention of going after your agency's reputation. Lets leave it at that.

Then why did you identify the agency and not identify the girl? It makes no sense to me. There was absolutely no reason for you to mention XO other than harm it - you didn't mention the lady after all. And the feedback you got from several men of color who posted here said they never had a problem with a single XO girl. And guess what, the owner of this agency who you are not dealing with, for whatever reason, isn't white.

 

[rbrown1000]

RBROWN1000
Do not listen to these clients who condone/ignore bigotry and prejudice. Yes, anyone can choose to do whatever the fuck they want and no one has to do anything. That's obvious. What's worthy thinking about is the reason behind people's choices, which none seem willing to broach. And that's because it's fairly straightforward most of the time. It's prejudice. Choosing not to see a client solely due to the color of their skin is likely prejudice or bigotry the majority (50% or more) of the time. Sometimes it is not because the reason is coming from a different place not related to preconceived notions.But in the end Sex work is work. A bigot is a bigot. A racist is a racist. An ageist is an ageist. Own up to it. Own it. Enough BS.

Bunch of blacks went to the party as though this somehow excuses an organization. It's like the saying I have black friends so I can't be prejudice/racist. Ridiculous. The reality is that an institution or business serving minorities doesn't absolve them of prejudice internally if it's there. If you have a bunch of openly prejudice workers, it shows a lack character of those operating said business. Now, since we're talking about some thing not entirely legal or regulated, the masses seem to think we can be more forgiving. And I agree insofar much as one needn't necessarily assume the owner's to be bigot. My guess is they aren't. Individuals may not disclose their "preferences" beforehand + the owners probably don't ask question about why so no client of this type because dollar signs come first. Wonder how that'd work with guys over 50...owner would probably intervene. Not because he cares about old guys over 50, but because he cares about the bottom line. It's no wonder racism can be insidious before it becomes systematic. So....yeah, if you are gonna go to an agency it's best to think like apartheid is still occurring and this is south Africa. ID first. Same for random Backpage escort.

You know, it's funny how the 'popular agencies' all likely have 1 or 2 prejudice employee's , but Indy companion as a collective of 80+ women is 100% tolerant of all clients as long as they are respectful. I guess if you have integrity you don't just lose it because you're working in an an unregulated industry. In fact, I have no doubt if someone at indy companion wasn't seeing 'insert minority type and it was found out, the person in question would get kicked out. YOU can't teach integrity. You have it or you don't.

You know, it's funny how the 'popular agencies' all likely have 1 or 2 prejudice employee's , but Indy companion as a collective of 80+ women is 100% tolerant of all clients as long as they are respectful. I guess if you have integrity you don't just lose it because you're working in an an unregulated industry. In fact, I have no doubt if someone at indy companion wasn't seeing 'insert minority type and it was found out, the person in question would get kicked out. YOU can't teach integrity. You have it or you don't.[/QUOTE]
solidsnake

Integrity cannot be taught or forced onto some one. Yes its true all agency's popular or otherwise have one or two prejudiced people and the skill is to try to avoid them. I have read the comments that say that an SP has the right to refuse any client Sure why not if certain kind of clientele is not wanted explicitly say so and time will not be wasted. I have not tried Indy companions yet but will definitely take a look. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[DouMan]

No way !!!! Is this some kind of a fkn joke ???

The dude has the chance to explain "himself" with the agency and after all this whining and pissing "he" backs down!!!

Pure bulls...

 

[rbrown1000]

Then why did you identify the agency and not identify the girl? It makes no sense to me. There was absolutely no reason for you to mention XO other than harm it - you didn't mention the lady after all. And the feedback you got from several men of color who posted here said they never had a problem with a single XO girl. And guess what, the owner of this agency who you are not dealing with, for whatever reason, isn't white.

Because a girl at another agency was outed as refusing black clients and she took a lot of heat for it check out ISG .

 

[rbrown1000]

No way !!!! Is this some kind of a fkn joke ???

The dude has the chance to explain "himself" with the agency and after all this whining and pissing "he" backs down!!!

Pure bulls...

whinning and pissing ???? The guy at the agency calls me a troll and I have to defend myself? kiss my ---

 

[jalimon]

I have not tried Indy companions yet but will definitely take a look. Thanks for the suggestion.

I have seen many of these girls. I like them a lot as I never had a bad encounters with them. But they will want to know a bit about you, more than agency do, therefore disclose upfront that you are black, and tell them a bit about you. As far as I know they will see black clients, but maybe not all of them.

Cheers,

 

[rbrown1000]

I have seen many of these girls. I like them a lot as I never had a bad encounters with them. But they will want to know a bit about you, more than agency do, therefore disclose upfront that you are black, and tell them a bit about you. As far as I know they will see black clients, but maybe not all of them.

Cheers,

Sure not a problem I will give them a try and I don't mind giving info about me by the way I am not black just brown. a mix of Thai and Mauritius.

 

[jonathankeeves]

You brought my legitimacy into question as a first time poster? So for example if your wallet is stolen at a bus stop and you complain to the authorities would you like them to look into it or dismiss you because it was the first time you filed a complaint?

Anyway my only aim by sharing this experience here was to find out if this situation has happened to anyone else and how they have dealt with it.

I have no intention of going after your agency's reputation. Lets leave it at that.

rbrown

I joined merb in March this year. The first review I wrote was of a backpage girl. My session was fantastic.

Some people had questions about the legitimacy because it was my first post. Another senior member met the same girl and had an amazing session and reviewed the same girl but because he was a senior member no one questioned the legitimacy.

All this to say, that's how it works. I don't think there is any disrespect, it is just that when you are posting for the first time and saying something which most of the people think is false, there will be questions about legitimacy. I dealt with it and I think most of the first time posters deal with it when they write a post which is bit difficult to believe.

I personally know there is no XO girl currently, who would refuse me for my race because I have seen most of them. You can PM me if you want and share the details about who it was, and I can confirm with you if I have already met that SP

 

[jalimon]

Sure not a problem I will give them a try and I don't mind giving info about me by the way I am not black just brown. a mix of Thai and Mauritius.

Great. PM me if you need some info, other then the review here. I have not seen the ones above 300$/hour tho, there is enough of them to have some great times!

I also got a bit of shit upon my first post here. But I quickly reverted and apologize my mistake. Since then the board has been really important, I am having a blast!

Cheers!

 

[CLOUD 500]

Sir, I was going to call your agency I was a little busy over the weekend but after reading your comments I think I was wise not to call you.

Yes I am a first time poster on this board because I am new to this city. I read reviews until now but never participated in any discussion on this board before. You brought my legitimacy into question as a first time poster? So for example if your wallet is stolen at a bus stop and you complain to the authorities would you like them to look into it or dismiss you because it was the first time you filed a complaint?

UncleSam is a very understanding guy I meet him and btw he is not White. He is open to hearing your complaint but you are unwilling to give any details. And yes when all you see are words typed behind a keyboard and nothing else one must take it with a grain of salt when your first post is about this negative experience with this agency. As for your example of the wallet just because someone says their wallet is stolen does not mean it is true. You know nothing about the person who made the accusation. When accusations are thrown it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Everyone is innocent till proven guilty... This is how it works in this country. The way you are acting is you made a complaint about your wallet being stolen so you must provide details so they catch the thief. Right now you are saying my wallet is stolen but I am not telling you who it is... I just wanted to share my experience and know if anyone else has had their wallet stolen. Does this make any sense to you? Cuz it is exactly what you are doing right now and it throws a lot of questions.

Anyway my only aim by sharing this experience here was to find out if this situation has happened to anyone else and how they have dealt with it.

You sharing your experience is futile since it really serves no other purpose but to tarnish this agency's reputation. If you are going to write about an event then details needs to presented otherwise from where I stand this is all whining and complaining. This is nothing more then a cry baby thread.

I have no intention of going after your agency's reputation. Lets leave it at that.

From the way you posted it appears as if your attempt is to go after the agency's reputation however it is not going to work. EscortsXO has an excellent reputation. I do not know what your agenda is but you definitely have one. You have a chance at redemption but so far it does not look good.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I kind of agree with that description , from my (limited ) agency experience when I started I assumed the screening was done by the booker mostly to avoid intoxicated or aggressive clients,
sadly I found out there was no screening at all and that's why I became indy but nowhere did I get the impression I had a say in who I was meeting.
If a girl does have such type or race she doesn't want to see either she finds a agency that will listen,maybe it exists ,or she goes the indy route,which is not for everybody...

From my very short time as booker, i would say i would "screen" clients to a degree if they called. On the other hand a text is harder to screen, unless its specifically vulgar or something. In the end the girl was obviously free to refuse any client. It happened 2 times while i worked. First time it was a bad situation, the girl wanted out so i sent the driver immediately. Client did tried to give his side of the story and since i was very new, the owner handled the situation after that. It happened he was with me for other reasons at the time.

Other guy, the SP just decided to not see him, she didn't like his attitude, how he "greet" her, if i recall correctly she didn't like the place either and how messy it was. Client did called back to express disapointement but i mentioned to him it is her right to do so. He wasn't vulgar or "freaky" or anything on phone, just kinda disapointed and didn't understand why she would do so, but it is what it is.

I had actually met this SP before as client, and i had a good time with her. Her other reviews where stellar, so why she didn't want to see this guy, i will never know for sure, but it was her right.

Maybe things where different when you where in an agency, also i am aware not every owner or booker is the same of course, but i do hope in 2016 all owners/bookers of reputed agencies known this right of refusal.

 

[BookerL]

From my very short time as booker,

Most of the Booker's I have personally known in this business where exercising a certain form of screening.

Maybe things where different when you where in an agency, also i am aware not every owner or booker is the same of course, but i do hope in 2016 all owners/bookers of reputed agencies known this right of refusal.

ALL the time I was a Booker all the girls always had right of refusal for themselves .



Cheers




Booker

 

[West Med]

We as clients are so lucky to have websites that provide pictures for us to peruse through a list of beautiful ladies to see who we identify with, who catches our eye just a bit more than the other, etc. etc. On top of that, we have this website where we compare notes, provide reviews of our experience, even claiming what she would and would not do with us. There's a thread right now on Maria Star arguing over her ability to DFK.

When you step back and think about this, it's absolutely insane. Options, services, etc are so objectified, much like a checklist that we take so much for granted. Has it occurred to anyone that the person who said Maria Star is a mediocre kisser may have terrible breath, cracked lips or something worse? It would make perfect sense then that she wouldn't open up to that person as much as the next. It's all relative! We always make claims of what we received, or didn't, but we never know how these relate to the attraction and/or chemistry between the two people.

What I'm getting at is simply the basic notion that even between a SP and a client, chemistry and affinity will go miles towards either creating a fantastic or disappointing session.

Personally, I have my own preferences. If I had my own "client" website, I would advertise that I prefer slim over heavier girls, brunette over blondes (not always but seemingly as a general rule), 21-32 yrs old, and many others. They are personal preferences that I have, and I don't even know why I have them. I'm sure we can all look at ourselves in the mirror and realize that we all have specific preferences be it weight, race, beauty, tattoos vs no-tattoos, etc.

The point is that we are extremely lucky to be able to be so selective as clients... a luxury the girls don't have, If a girl has "tried" a specific ethnicity and over time, has realized that for whatever reason, that it just isn't a natural match, then she has every right to request that exclusion. Yes, it is a job.... but it's a damn personal job that can have lasting effects on the psyche. Anything that can be done to protect ones own well being if well worth doing.

Hell, maybe a girl was raped at a younger age and has psychological remnants that would cause anxiety around a certain type of person... that would be totally understandable! Imagine if she opened the door and saw the doppelganger of her rapist? It could be a white, WASP....but it would make perfect sense for her to "block" at that point, to the total surprise of the client and by no fault of his own. There just has to be an understanding that a girl can't be expected to be 100% inclusive, without exception.
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Now, with all that being said, I too feel something is not quite kosher with the original post. I've been to XO many times and know the dynamic with how things happen. I just can't see it happening like this. It makes NO sense whatsoever that the client did not contact the booker immediately and complain, ask for an explanation, something.

I live in a highly competitive world where subtle corporate sabotage is always a very real possibility. I just read between the lines here and I can't get that possibility out of my head. XO is a fast rising agency where girls are happy, and clients are even happier , and it would make sense that attempts are made to try to knock them off balance.... I have absolutely NO foundation for what I'm saying.... just a lingering feeling.


I suspect I'll rub people the wrong way here... just wanted to add my observations, suspicions...and throw a little understanding and respect towards the girls who have to put up with us guys!

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

No way !!!! Is this some kind of a fkn joke ???

The dude has the chance to explain "himself" with the agency and after all this whining and pissing "he" backs down!!!

Pure bulls...

Of course it is pure bull shit, 10 pages of it.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The original poster according to his reasoning has no agenda against XO and just wanted to start a discussion about whether race and ethnicity should be identified in advance when booking. Why he would identify XO given his stated intention is something of a mystery. When several men of color posted to say they had seen most girls at XO and not encountered any discrimination and it was also pointed out that the owner/operator of XO isn't white, he backtracked and said the girl came from another agency. The poster has been repeatedly questioned why he didn't contact XO to inform of the incident, even after being expressly invited in this thread to do so by XO, and he has not really provided any good reason for not doing so. It should also be noted that according to his own initial post the unidentified girl didn't actually refuse him service, he instead walked out on her because he didn't like her asking questions about where he is from (I assume this is because the dude spoke either French or more likely English with an accent given his ethnic origins which he has posted). There are just too many questions here. This guy may be very inexperienced but he has not handled this situation appropriately or professionally. Frankly I suspect if this incident did happen it was miscommunication or overreaction or a combination of the two. I would put more money on that than the Habs winning the Stanley Cup. He has certainly overreacted to routine skepticism based on his insignificant posting history and this may just be a case of a guy with a real thin skin overreacting to a situation rather than communicating his way through it.

It should also be noted that XO, which was not timely notified of the incident, and was just given the sketchy information contained in this thread, is unable to confirm that this incident actually occurred. The poster may have been mistaken about what agency he contacted and that may be the real reason why he has not accepted Sam's invitation to contact him.

 

[ravenazrael]

I don't understand why people can't accept that escorts have the right to not take a service.
If a girl does not wanna have sex with a black guy it is not called racism. racism is considering certain race superior or having disdain for a particular race. This is just "not wanting to have sex with black men". It is a business? yes. But if a a store does not want to sell you something, go to the next store. It is not a fair comparison, as this business is very tough for the girls, but I had to put it in a simple way so people understand.
I think that we may have our "feelings broken" when a SP reject us, or does fake moaning -LOL- but that's life. We can't be butthurt and cry out loud. Is someone go the liberal way and create a #NoMySP ? No.
Conclusion, if you feel SP's may have an issue with you, better confirm that everything is ok.

 

[Juugs]

I don't understand why people can't accept that escorts have the right to not take a service.
If a girl does not wanna have sex with a black guy it is not called racism. racism is considering certain race superior or having disdain for a particular race. This is just "not wanting to have sex with black men". It is a business? yes. But if a a store does not want to sell you something, go to the next store. It is not a fair comparison, as this business is very tough for the girls, but I had to put it in a simple way so people understand.
I think that we may have our "feelings broken" when a SP reject us, or does fake moaning -LOL- but that's life. We can't be butthurt and cry out loud. Is someone go the liberal way and create a #NoMySP ? No.
Conclusion, if you feel SP's may have an issue with you, better confirm that everything is ok.

Racism is a very broad term. It is not limited to what you just said. Discriminating someone based on their racial background or ethnicity is racism.

Your store example actually works against you. If a store refuses to sell something to a guy because he is black, that's racism.
If a service provider refuses to provide service to a man because he is black. That is also racism. As you said, she is free to decide it is a free country after all but don't try to downplay or pass it off for something that it clearly is not.

An escort refusing a black client simply because he is black is the textbook definition of racism.