Senate impeachment circus

[GMA]

October 2019. After Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas was indicted, Liar-In-Chief Donald Trump denied knowing Parnas, who had been tasked with urging Ukrainian officials to publicly investigate Hunter Biden. Giuliani has made it clear that he was acting with Trump's knowledge and consent.

On 1/16/20 the Trump spoke re Lev Parnas: "I don't know who this man is...I don't know him...I know nothing about him."

On 1/22/2020 Trump was asked about allegations he knew all the dealings Giuliani and Parnas did with Ukraine, he called Parnas a "con man". "I don't know him, other than he's sort of like a groupie...He shows up at fundraisers. I don't know anything about him. I can only tell you this thing is a big hoax."

On 1/25/2020 an attorney for Lev Parnas released a nearly 90 minute recording , showing Trump at a 2018 donor dinner conversation with Parnas and others. In part, Parnas says "The biggest problem there I think, where you need to start, is we gotta get rid of the ambassador. She's still left over from the Clinton administration." Trump: "The ambassador to Ukraine?" Parnas: "Yeah, she's basically walking around telling everybody, 'wait, he's going to get impeached, just wait." Laughter, then someone says, "She'll be gone tomorrow". Trump: "Get rid of her. Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Ok? Do it."

More recordings are apparently to come.
The Senate has a mounting pile of new evidence that can further demonstrate Trump's guilt, including the willing to swear testimony from Former National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. Trump should also cease obstructing justice by preventing his White House staff and others from testifying during the Senate trial. If he is truly innocent, he should himself testify and let all of the evidence see the light of day before the American public.

 

[Bred Sob]

But ultimately, "No one ever knows why the stock market does what it does."(Alan Blinder, Prof. of Economics, Princeton U.)

Spot on as always. The Princeton prof. got it right. No one has any clue why the hell the market goes up and up (and does it really? Must be a mirage anyway.) And that is exactly why, as you wisely point out, we know for sure that it is due to Obama and despite Trump. Makes sense.

 

[Bred Sob]

The Senate has a mounting pile of new evidence that can further demonstrate Trump's guilt,

Great news for once. Aux armes, citoyens! Such a shame though that it (the pile) never made it to an impeachment article or two. Never mind, the next impeachment (or the one after that) will get the bastard for sure.

 

[Bred Sob]

The facts are not in dispute.

Having conducted a thorough review of your multiple posts, I am happy to report that I have finally succeeded in locating one statement of yours that I fully agree with. The facts are indeed not in dispute.

Trump was impeached for a devious quid pro quo. To wit: the military assistance that was not withheld in exchange for an investigation that was not announced.

I hope that sums it up to everyone's satisfaction.

 

[C.B. Brown]

The Senate has a mounting pile of.

Ya they got a pile of something its..... big brown ...and really really smells bad .Same pile of evidence that trump rigged the elections by using the Russians.
Have you ever seen such hate in the face of adults as you see in the face of the democrats,its not healthy,
but wait a minute
same faces when they said trump would never be president and hillary rotten crotch clinton was winning in the polls
on election night the good old faithfull Cnn But don't worry The Brainless will invent more conspiracy theories
Next iit is the surviving aliens from the rosswell crash after trump freed them are going to help trump win the 2020 election and some whistle blower(whos name will never be released cause he does not exist) has it on a cell phone recording hahaha

big question professer is we all know he wont get impeached 100% so why the circus
yup interfereance in the 2020 presidental election actually trying to deminish trumps popularity by descrediting him and



ruin the chances of democrats who cant be out stuck in hearings now there is a thought
new york times qrticle
Trapped in the Senate, presidential candidates work to stay in touch

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-23/impeachment-trial-keeps-2020-candidates-from-iowa

man oh man democrats try everything

Bill Clinton (Sort of) Apologizes to Monica Lewinsky: ‘I Feel Terrible’ That It ‘Defined’ Her


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-...onica-lewinsky-in-hillary-doc-i-feel-terrible

that absolves him of ruining her life and him being a liar now........... lets go get trump.......

 

[purplem]

Like I said, "pointless". Everyone has his opinion and will never be swayed no matter what surfaces. And if facts don't work, then by all means resort to insults.

One question not necessarily relating to the Trump years, unless you see a parallel: If someone is innocent, why would he block all witnesses and hide all evidence and records (including tax records and educational records) ?

 

[C.B. Brown]

the democrats did exactly the same and worse they denied his side anything for months think this is transparent and fair
before you acuse yourself get your fats straight not just what you want to hear

the bottom line is if he was really guilty the congress would convict him
there is no evidence of a crime for get waht you can google or waht you think
the transcripts of teh phone conversation which no one even remotely guessed trump would make public absolved him of all guilt]and yet shiff trys to tell people no trump ''was thinking this'' (mindreading skills from being a evil democrat for years and the president of ukrane was really thinking that''
as to taxes if he has a legal right to not do it just as he has legal loopholes to not pay tax why not
just becausse the democrats stamp their feet and demand something if tehr is a legal precident which allows non compliance well law is law obviously he is not breaking any law

 

[Bred Sob]

One question not necessarily relating to the Trump years, unless you see a parallel: If someone is innocent, why would he block all witnesses and hide all evidence and records (including tax records and educational records) ?

That is a big mystery, I am puzzled myself. If someone is facing outlandish charges made up out of whole cloth and the prosecution (surprisingly) fails to make the case, why would that someone make an attempt to have the case dismissed outright? Beats me, I have to admit.

 

[jalimon]

One question not necessarily relating to the Trump years, unless you see a parallel: If someone is innocent, why would he block all witnesses and hide all evidence and records (including tax records and educational records) ?

Because for Trump the end justify the means. He does not care how it's done it's the end results that matters. The destructive path he is leaving behind does not matter. Why do you think he has done 7 bankruptcy? As long as he wins a bit more then he lose he will end up winning. He really wants to dictate everything and does not understand why he cannot.

Cheers,

 

[hungry101]

I honestly do not get this entire fiasco. Trump probably did something wrong. I cringe when he opens his mouth. Sometimes it's not so bad but in general it's like a senior citizen who lost his filter. But the facts is the Obama administration was willing to give the Ukraine blankets and MREs to fight the Russians and the Ukraine had to travel to a third country to get them. Trump was giving them shoulder fired anti-tank weapons and more? And even though Trump said what he said, the weapons were approved and they weren't delayed a second...So what the fuck is Shifty talking about? His party, the Socialista party wasn't going to lift a finger to help the Ukriane.

At least this trial may shed some light on the corruption in the swamp. I hope that Biden's crack-smoking son and all the other corrupt swamp dwellers are caught red handed. Drain the swamp.

 

[Bred Sob]

The destructive path he is leaving behind does not matter.

You don't say! Economy in tatters, not to mention the stock market. Third day in a row without a new record, I am seriously outraged. Impeach the m-f-er!

 

[C.B. Brown]

Because for Trump the end justify the means. He does not care how it's done it's the end results that matters. The destructive path he is leaving behind does not matter. Why do you think he has done 7 bankruptcy? As long as he wins a bit more then he lose he will end up winning. He really wants to dictate everything and does not understand why he cannot.

Cheers,

how about the truth from not behind psydelic glasses.
what a person cares and the law is 2 different things as is your opinion and the actual facts
ya real destructive ....stock market rose to record highs unemployment has gone down he did what he said he brought jobs back to america.

fact his personal business is everyones business does not change the fact everything he did although not liked was legal or he would be in jail
laws are made by the rich to protect the rich.
business it cut throat many wealthy people whp aquired their wealth through total illgal means yet in america your innocent till proven guilty
unless the democrats say otherwise irregardless of the facts
fact you don' t like this well you might get over it .......and maybe 1 day pigs will fly and we will be shooting for our pork

 

[Bred Sob]

At least this trial may shed some light on the corruption in the swamp. I hope that Biden's crack-smoking son and all the other corrupt swamp dwellers are caught red handed. Drain the swamp.

I think this trial may well end in a couple of days' time, and if so, all that will have to be done in a separate framework. I do hope they (the Senate Republicans) subpoena both Bidens and a few other relevant characters and at the very least make an honest attempt to get to the bottom of this story.

 

[C.B. Brown]

You don't say! Economy in tatters, not to mention the stock market. Third day in a row without a new record, I am seriously outraged. Impeach the m-f-er!

remember the statement bush said laughting in this world there is the ''haves'' and the have nots''
the small pecentage of us who have money understand the real world better than the 70% who live pay to pay and if they missed a months wages they would be on the street(i was being kind its more like a week for a lot)

 

[EagerBeaver]

It seems to me that Bolton should testify and the Republicans can cross examine the shit out of him if they wish. That is how a trial is supposed to work, you let each side bring in their witnesses and allow the other side to cross examine. In any event it would seem to be kind of fun, and why should there be a trial with no fun? The fact that Bolton is a Republican and would be cross examined by Republicans would simply add to the fun. I think Biden's son should be brought in as well. Bring in the Ukrainian PM too, allow full cross examination and have a real trial, or don't have one at all. A good trial judge always errs on the side of allowing evidence in as opposed to keeping it out, when it is a close call. You can always allow cross examination and rebuttal witnesses. And if Bolton needs to be rebutted by Trump, Trump can come in and testify and say "you are so full of shit", and Democrats can cross examine him, and we are off to the races, as trial attorneys say. If I was trial judge I would allow it all. Bring it on! Real trial or none at all.

 

[GMA]

a) I agree with purplem that I can't change the mindsets of CB Brown and other Trump apologists. But it's good to get the facts out there for those few undecideds who might be reading.

b) I see that Bred Sob is posting a lot on this thread. I complained to the mods that his posts often struck me as personal, mean spirited insults directed towards me; the mods recommended I place him on my Ignore List. So I have done so and his posts are no longer read by me. So perhaps he will direct his venom elsewhere, hopefully.

c) CB Brown: Stock market performance is not a criteria for or against impeachment. It has no relevance to this thread
The Constitution does not require a crime be committed as a prerequisite for impeachment. Please read the Constitution.
Trump is obviously guilty, but the Senate is Republican dominant, and they are afraid to convict Trump because they fear his base electorate will vote them out of office and they will lose power.
The House impeachment investigation was conducted with the participation of 100 members of both parties, with equal time given to each Party to ask questions. The 3 committees were Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, and Oversight. The Republican charge that it was held in secret is a deliberate distortion of the truth. The hearings were not open to the public or nonmembers of those committees, because otherwise witnesses would alter their testimony to coordinate with prior witnesses. This is standard procedure in any criminal investigation, and is common sense.
Famed OJ Simpson defense attorney Alan Dershowitz is on Trump's loaded defense team. If Trump is acquitted, then he is probably as innocent as OJ Simpson was of murder.

d) The Bolton book transcript emerged today, and states the President clearly engaged in quid pro quo, i.e. Bribery. Let's see if the Republican Senate will now permit the new evidence from Rudy Giuliani subordinate Lev Parnas and National Security Advisor John Bolton. If they do not, then history will view them as having engaged in an unpatriotic coverup for a corrupt President's self dealing.

 

[C.B. Brown]

It seems to me that Bolton should testify .

They should all testify .especially the vice president joe biden and his son hunter .why not they can lie under oath nothing is beneath them.is it no clean ti ws a clear conflict of interest teh vice presidents son working for a corrupt company in the ukraine adn pressure was put on them to stop investigating hunter
don't think joe being vice president hissons appoitment to a corrupt oil company making $50,000 a month .and a investigation to his son was stopped by usa pressure from vice presadent who did escactly what trump is accused of but in trumps case no hard evidence .not the same in biden.

 

[EagerBeaver]

They should all testify

That's exactly what I said.

 

[GMA]

It seems to me that Bolton should testify and the Republicans can cross examine the shit out of him if they wish. That is how a trial is supposed to work, you let each side bring in their witnesses and allow the other side to cross examine. In any event it would seem to be kind of fun, and why should there be a trial with no fun? The fact that Bolton is a Republican and would be cross examined by Republicans would simply add to the fun. I think Biden's son should be brought in as well. Bring in the Ukrainian PM too, allow full cross examination and have a real trial, or don't have one at all. A good trial judge always errs on the side of allowing evidence in as opposed to keeping it out, when it is a close call. You can always allow cross examination and rebuttal witnesses. And if Bolton needs to be rebutted by Trump, Trump can come in and testify and say "you are so full of shit", and Democrats can cross examine him, and we are off to the races as trial attorneys say. If I was trial judge I would allow it all. Bring it on! Real trial or none at all.

I agee with you, EB, but substitute "interesting" for "fun" lol But I guess attorneys have their own unique idea of fun.
Yes, seeing Hunter Biden testify would be interesting, but totally irrelevant to the case. It doesn't matter whether he committed a crime (there is no evidence he did anything worse than Ivanka Trump); the Constitution does not permit POTUS to bribe a foreign leader to promote his own self interest. Republicans just want to damage to Joe Biden's election campaign. I'm interested in your opinion

 

[C.B. Brown]

Yes, seeing Hunter Biden testify would be interesting, but totally irrelevant to the case. It doesn't matter whether he committed a crime

ya your right as,your knowledge is blistering literally..Joe biden threatened ukrane to stop a investagation into his son or aid would be cut off and they caved in.

trumps job is before throwing money to every other nation is to see is there is corrupion . but democrats tried to hide the fact its normal almost every aid package promised to endless countries aid was stopped prior to rightfull checks and ballances
so all tryump was trying to do was his job and your right biden did commit a crime but your wrong that it does not matter glad you put that in writeing
as biden is responsabel or the whole ems they are both guilty and some how trump trying to do his job he gets first a false russia scandle which was totally disproved by the same witch hunters as this fiasco