Senate impeachment circus

[C.B. Brown]

I admire your polite and accurate analysis in this thread GMA. I also greatly admire your persistence. It is clearly greater than mine because when see that I am dealing with people who cannot accept the truth I generally figure that it's a waste of time to continue with the hopeless task of trying to prove that two plus two equals four. Your point about trying to educate the undecideds is excellent.

you really set the bar low admireing GMA
bottom line is trump wont be impeached by the congress so your just blowing hot air
you ignore the actual facts got to get off fox news
only actual proof is the phone recording which trump was cleared of all allagations
congress is just going through the motions its like teasing a kid(democrats) with a ice cream prize but they aint getting it hahahahaha

 

[jalimon]

you really set the bar low admireing GMA
bottom line is trump wont be impeached by the congress so your just blowing hot air

CB as far as I know as well, like purplem wrote, Trump is already impeached.

And be soft on GMA as I know him well and right now as we speak he cannot defend himself as he is with is fucking hot young girlfriend. Fucker I hate him! haha

cheers,

 

[Bred Sob]

I'm not at all surprised that it beats you.

I am truly sorry that my simple (or so I thought) post went so high over your head. Next time I will use simpler words.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

The sarcasm runs strong in this group.

 

[Bred Sob]

The sarcasm runs strong in this group.

Unfortunately, not everyone gets it

 

[GMA]

Wow, what a day.

Haha, thanks, Jalimon.Yes, I am a very lucky guy. But I am back to my laptop, and now I can finally sit down to what's really important, which is reading the latest 4th grade level insults sent me by CB Brown. I guess he must be frustrated by all the evidence that is showing how corrupt his boy Donald is. I don't understand why so many of the right wing advocates on merb cannot control their tempers and have a civilized debate. Possibly it's because the facts are not on their side usually, so they get frustrated by having to obfuscate and gaslight.

And now that Bolton's manuscript has partially been revealed, this 11 year Fox News veteran commentator apparently has lots more to say about Trump's corruption not only regarding blackmailing Ukraine but also his self-dealing with many other foreign governments; we shall see what more comes to light and how quickly. Trump's apologists will be again twisting themselves into intellectual pretzels trying distract and defend the indefensible; wait for it.

CB Brown, Trump never concerns himself with government corruption, because he is directly involved in corruption himself. It's in his DNA and through his adult life. And now, even his defense attorney Robert Ray argued yesterday it was "not a perfect (phone) call. Actually it was quite damning, if you read the memorandum of the call.

"the bottom line is if he was really guilty the congress would convict him
there is no evidence of a crime for get waht you can google or waht you think." (C.B.Brown #127)
The reason I referenced OJ Simpson is that I know of no one else but you that believes OJ was innocent. Indeed, the families of victims Brown and Goldman ultimately sued Simpson, who was found guilty by a unanimous jury. However, the jury at the criminal trial acquitted Simpson of murder. So, I was drawing an analogy between Simpson and Trump, both obviously guilty, but the former was acquitted, and so Trump's acquittal will not prove innocence. At best it can prove "not guilty", but the evidence against him is plain as day. And more evidence will emerge against him in the ensuing weeks.

CB Brown: Jalimon's correction of your misimpression is valid. The Congressional House of Representatives has the power to Impeach, which is analogous to a criminal grand jury's power to indict. The Congressional Senate has the power to convict, which is analogous to a criminal jury trial; conviction requires a 2/3 majority, which is highly improbable in this case. Thus Jalimon is correct: Trump has already been impeached by Congress.

Jalimon, thanks, I hope our country doesn't turn into a banana republic, but Trump is trashing our good name and leadership role around the world. His foreign policy is corrosive to our national interests. CNN journalist Fareed Zakaria discussed this in his show last Sunday.

purplem: Thanks, but I think 95% of adults are way too busy living their lives, and therefore can only catch bits and pieces of the Trump impeachment and trial. Sadly, 40% of the US only watches Fox News, so they usually don't know the actual facts.

 

[Bred Sob]

he cannot defend himself as he is with is fucking hot young girlfriend. Fucker I hate him! haha

Oh my, poor girl. She must be really desperate.

 

[Bred Sob]

In an attempt to stem the flood of bullshit that is about to drown out any sensible conversation in this thread, here is a voice of reason for a change. Key points:


The report that John Bolton’s book draft implicates President Trump more closely to ordering a delay in military aid to Ukraine is hardly a surprise and won’t—and shouldn’t—change the impeachment result. It does, however, complicate the trial task for Republican Senators, and our advice is for Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser to tell the public now what he says in his book.
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Mr. Bolton’s lawyer, Chuck Cooper, says he submitted the draft of his client’s memoir to the White House for security-clearance screening on Dec. 30. Yet the New York Times account of what the book says about Mr. Trump and Ukraine appears a month later—on the eve of the Senate vote on witnesses. The timing is Kavanaugh-esque.

Whoever leaked the book’s contents wants to use Mr. Bolton to turn the Senate impeachment trial into a larger political drama. But we’ve known Mr. Bolton long enough to doubt that he’d want to sandbag Republican Senators or the President he worked for. He’s a straight-shooter, even if he sometimes aims right between the eyes.
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The Democratic leader doesn’t want witnesses any more than Republicans do—certainly not if one is Hunter Biden. What he wants is for Republicans to do the dirty work of voting down witnesses so he can shout coverup from here to November. The problem for GOP Senators is they have to take the vote on witnesses without knowing what Mr. Bolton might say. If he incriminates Mr. Trump after the trial ends, it could hurt GOP chances of holding the Senate majority this year.
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With the news of what’s in the book already public, Mr. Bolton can help everyone, including himself, by erasing any doubt about what he knows. He can tell the American public what he wrote—now, before the Senate votes on witnesses. Lay it all out. Put to rest the “coverup” talking point.

This doesn’t require testifying to the Senate. Mr. Bolton could do it in a public statement, a TV interview, or an op-ed in this publication. Our editors are standing by.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-john-bolton-report-11580170841

 

[C.B. Brown]

the only real fact anyone knows is: Trump released the transcript from the phone call which the whole case was based on
and like it or not it cleared him of all charges because not 1 of the charges was found to be true!People swore he said things which are not in the phone call transcripts ....explain that ......forget about your personal obvious hatred.
but hey..... you got a lamb in the slaughter house by lies and corruption
might as well make up other lies.Tell me aht court you get taken to charged with a offence which is found to be untrue and hey since your here lets try to get you with something else
he has to be guilty he just has to be guilty h just has to be guilty boo hoo
i mean don't forget russia scandal which was investigated and found to be untrue

the democtats dont care who they step on or hurt or how much money they waste
this wont end
you red it here first and i typed real slow for ''left''
he will be acquit of all charges

he will win the next election, the american people will vote ,and vote strong to give a strong message......... no democrat wants to hear!
Democrats are saying with their actions to teh people f--k you your will and your vote does not count because we say so..really watch the fallout..
but when you are dealing with mentally challenged people (it goes on deaf ears

 

[Fradi]

But I am back to my laptop, and now I can finally sit down to what's really important, which is reading the latest 4th grade level insults sent me by CB Brown. I guess he must be frustrated by all the evidence that is showing how corrupt his boy Donald is. I don't understand why so many of the right wing advocates on merb cannot control their tempers and have a civilized debate. Possibly it's because the facts are not on their side usually, so they get frustrated by having to obfuscate and gaslight.

At least these guys don’t go crying to Mods that they are being abused like a school kid who is always surrounded by imagined bullies.
That is what happens when someone tries to play the intellectual know it all who somehow thinks he is above the rest.
They don’t ask for others to be reprimanded or put people on ignore lists.

I don’t agree with quite a bit of what Bred and CBB have to say and I have had my differences with CB in the beginning but we were able to work it out like guys and respect each other without crying to third parties, that is such childish behaviour.
I am glad the Mods stay out of this kind of nonsense.

As far as this whole debate, it only proves that all politicians that rise to the top are scumbags, Trump and the Biden’s are no exception.

 

[Bred Sob]

As far as this whole debate, it only proves that all politicians that rise to the top are scumbags, Trump and the Biden’s are no exception.

Fradi, you break my heart... Again... Come on, everyone knows that Trump is really le chevalier sans peur et sans reproche.

 

[C.B. Brown]

I don’t agree with quite a bit of what Bred and CBB have to say and I have had my differences with CB in the beginning but we were able to work it out like guys and respect each other without crying to third parties, that is such childish behaviour.
I am glad the Mods stay out of this kind of nonsense.

Goodmorning those who know me know i am having fun and am not angry,im a canadian its not my country getting ruined or dragged through the mud
Fradi you earned my respect from the beginning between short communications.Respect is earnet not given.
to the 2 gentlemen who i have been pulling their legsGMA + jalimon
i believe the latter is more felxible
seriously guys
if i get charged with 1 offence and it does not pan out .that means i was unlawfully takeing in for impeachment
the democrats are now pulling at straws to try and find some dirt on trump.there is not a person in that room if you dug deep enough you could not find stuff on
put aside your dislike for him and what you believer look at the facts it was ukrane phone conversation he was being imeached on and with teh phone transcripts he was cleared of all 3 charges.

read for yourself her is the on line copy which has been made available and from what you read forget everythign else there is no evidencehttps://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-phone-call-transcript-text-pdf-1510770

 

[GMA]

So more members from the right wing have joined in hurling even more childish personal insults, and apparently they find it entertaining to do so while hiding behind anonymous internet aliases. I think it's sad that that is how they live their lives, instead of behaving like mature adults. They should find the line behind humor and mean spiritedness. Keep it classy, gentlemen.

Meanwhile, some of Trump's legal team have changed their tune as Bolton's manuscript has further exposed the lie that the phone call was "perfect". Their biggest goal is to prevent the spectacle of the American public viewing actual witnesses and documents in this trial. His lawyer Alan Dershowitz is now saying that even if Trump is guilty of Abuse of Power, this quid pro quo of extorting a public announcement from Ukrainian president Zelensky is not serious enough of a crime to convict Trump. In other words, "Our guy might be guilty, but this isn't a serious enough abuse of power to remove him from office". They're saying this in a desperate attempt to prevent being forced to accept eyewitness testimony from John Bolton and other White House staff. It's getting really messy, and really amusing to see the Republicans and Trump team twist themselves into pretzels to weasel out of a real trial with real documents and real witness testimony

 

[jalimon]

Quite fun to see Bolton, a former Fox news employee and former main National Security Advisor, wanting to tell his side of the story.

Has any Potus in history done such a high staff turnover then Trump? Working for Trump is like riding a bicycle. There are only 2 kind. Those who have fallen and those who will.

 

[Fradi]

So more members from the right wing have joined in hurling even more childish personal insults, and apparently they find it entertaining to do so while hiding behind anonymous internet aliases. I think it's sad that that is how they live their lives, instead of behaving like mature adults. They should find the line behind humor and mean spiritedness. Keep it classy, gentlemen.

I am as far removed from the right wing as you can imagine and consider all politicians as the lowest step on the ladder.
Having said that, keeping things classy would be nice, but that would mean stopping these meaningless stabs at people all the while trying to imply that you are above insults.
Being a mature adult is accepting people for who they are and not trying to constantly talk down to them. Try it sometime.
I know it is hard on the ego that someone would have a different opinion than the all knowing self proclaimed oracle.
Now you can put me on ignore as well.
As far as hiding behind anonymous internet aliases I suppose GMA is your real name.

 

[C.B. Brown]

I think it's sad that that is how they live their lives, instead of behaving like mature adults. y

your just like the trump witch hunt you assume things
if you can not differintate between a adult forum and reality that is sad.
and realize both sides spew shit so to really get to the truth is a hard thing.
so to a democrat a democrat can do no wrong example clinton
the way the democrats said it was sad inpeachment rituals were used for such things and made a 180 degree turn when it comes to a republican

 

[C.B. Brown]

Quite fun to see Bolton, a former Fox news employee and former main National Security Advisor, wanting to tell his side of the story.

Has any Potus in history done such a high staff turnover then Trump? Working for Trump is like riding a bicycle. There are only 2 kind. Those who have fallen and those who will.

its amazing the timeing of his book $$ being leaked and his interest in the truth.Ever think bolton stands to make money on this a motive and probably hated his former boss

last 2 points
he wont get impeached
he will be elected

nothing else matters thats the bottom line and i will come back and gloat when both happen

 

[GMA]

Quite fun to see Bolton, a former Fox news employee and former main National Security Advisor, wanting to tell his side of the story.

Has any Potus in history done such a high staff turnover then Trump? Working for Trump is like riding a bicycle. There are only 2 kind. Those who have fallen and those who will.

Yes, Jalimon, but it would be even more fun if the Republicans would actually permit Bolton to testify under oath. Trump's former Chief of Staff John Kelly has said today that he believes Bolton's account that Trump is guilty of quid pro quo (and the eyewitness accounts of Alexander Vindman - National Security Council, and Ambassador to European Union Gordon Sondland). But the Republicans and Trump are afraid of the truth because it will expose Trump for the corrupt unpatriotic President that he is.

Yes his staff turns over like crazy, and many of his cronies have ended up indicted or convicted of crimes. For example Lt. General Michael Flynn former White House National Security Adviser, Paul Manafort former Trump campaign aide; Richard Gates associate of Manaford; Michael Cohen personal lawyer and fixer for Trump. The entire list is too exhaustingly long

 

[C.B. Brown]

It would be fun to see joe biden and his son hunter testify under oath as well
hunter biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings in ukrain a corrupt company while his father was vice president
hunter was a close friend of Secretary of State John Kerry's stepson Christopher Heinz.John Kerry’s stepson-Christopher Heinz rushed to play damage control at the State Department after his business partner Hunter Biden cut a deal with an oligarch-owned Ukrainian gas company in 2014,

joe biden bragged how he threatened ukrain president that he has 6 hrs to stop the investagation into Burisma Holdings or he would withhold 1 billion in aid you can look it up there is many videos on it

so basically not only did joe biden do what he is accusing trump of he bragged about it and nothing was done to him
his son and president of state son both made over 1 million dollalrs a year + perks and had neither been sons of key people in washington they probably would not even be qualified to flip burgers at mcdonalds
hunter biden admitted on a interview without his family name he would not have had many jobs

 

[GMA]

re internet bullies

I went to the mods because it's better to have them adjudicate internet bullying rather than get into back and forth on this board.

All the grade school insults are infantile, immature and not why I'm here. If CBB and Fradi like it, then they are welcome to it, but I don't have to accept it.

Yes, internet trolls say lots of anonymous insults hiding behind their keyboards. GMA is not my real name, Fradi. I visit MTL once a month, and usually join some merb friends, jalimon among them, for a beer. They know my real name. You, CBB, and bred sob are welcome to join us for some good fellowship. Or you can insult me like men in person, and be responsible for your words and not hide behind anonymous keyboards. Alternatively sure, I would be happy to put you on the ignore list, no prob