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gallantca

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Has anybody driven to the US in the last 2 or 3 weeks? Am thinking of crossing the border for my 3rd shot. No test needed, amirite?

I'm already due but can't get the booster in QC till probably February.

Not sure how old you are but I suspect they are going to accelerate 50+ considerably. Ontario started today.
 
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thegreatwalooo

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Has anybody driven to the US in the last 2 or 3 weeks? Am thinking of crossing the border for my 3rd shot. No test needed, amirite?

I'm already due but can't get the booster in QC till probably February.
Your welcome to come to NY for a free booster shot.
 

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Has anybody driven to the US in the last 2 or 3 weeks? Am thinking of crossing the border for my 3rd shot. No test needed, amirite?

I'm already due but can't get the booster in QC till probably February.
Went 2 weeks ago, no issue getting into US. Coming back as long as you fill out Arrive Can app before crossing, should be no issues. I would check out the questions the app asks beforehand to make sure.
 
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Fradi

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New travel bans in the works to curb Omicron.
I find this totally useless and it will destroy economies for no reason.
Omicron is already here 40% of cases in Ontario are already Omicron.

We already require full vaccination plus a negative PCR test within 24 hrs so closing the borders will achieve absolutely nothing except destroy the tourist industry and airline industry completely.
Seems our ridiculous politicians are thinking about elections again, why not concentrate in getting booster shots into arms instead of closing borders which achieve nothing.

 

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plus the rules are enfantilizing. im sick of it.
efforts should be on vaccinating, more accurate and faster rapid testing, and shoring up the health care systems (even if not done overnight). Imagine if just half of all the economic losses were poured into our helth care system how much better the health network would be.
 

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I was all set to travel to Montreal next week and burn a few remaining days off but its looking more like the smart move is to just stay put in the states. I'd hate to be stuck in Canada for the holidays if I got the COVID. Even though there is no real way to stop me from driving back, I'd be concerned being in a hospital away from family. I'll have to load up the golf clubs and head south I guess.
 

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I was all set to travel to Montreal next week and burn a few remaining days off but its looking more like the smart move is to just stay put in the states. I'd hate to be stuck in Canada for the holidays if I got the COVID. Even though there is no real way to stop me from driving back, I'd be concerned being in a hospital away from family. I'll have to load up the golf clubs and head south I guess.
Omicron is north/south/east/west no? Recent reports indicate booster is effective with omicron.
 

thegreatwalooo

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Omicron is north/south/east/west no? Recent reports indicate booster is effective with omicron.
My post was about being stuck in a foreign country more so than it was about the new Covid variant. Being an American, if I get COVID while here in the states there's no border to cross and unique rules about quarantining away from the support of my friends and family. I am fully vaccinated and have received my booster shot but that doesn't mean I can't catch Covid. I didn't want to risk being in Canada and catching Covid. Also, I didn't want to potentially get Covid and bringing it home to my family and friends for the holidays. The better move for me if I do decide to head north would be to go after Christmas. At least that way I have no major family gatherings when I get home.

I'm not an NHL player, but this is the scenario that worries me:

 
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Well, the NHL is stopping cross border travel until at least after New Years Day. From the article : The league postponed 12 games involving U.S. teams playing Canadian-based teams from Monday to Thursday, citing concern about "the fluid nature of federal travel restrictions."

I wonder if they know something is coming from either country closing the border? I was planning a trip north around the Bruins/Habs game January 12th, but that trip is looking less likely each day. :rolleyes:
 

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efforts should be on vaccinating,
North American governments that have huge vaccine stockpiles (i.e. US, Canada) have been trying that for how many months now? Yet, we still have unvaccinated people. Just this morning, some lady at my gym told me she thinks the entire pandemic is overblown and the 800,000 dead can't possibly be from COVID. So suffice to say, she admitted she hasn't been vaccinated. Besides, fully vaccinated people are testing positive too. It's the lesser severity of their cases that differs from the unvaccinated.

more accurate and faster rapid testing,
That's a tradeoff of sorts. Most of the tests that Canada requires for entry are the molecular kinds that are far more sensitive (detects smaller quantity of genetic material). But it takes a few hours to amplify the genetic material because that's the current speed of PCR. Meanwhile, the lesser sensitivity of rapid tests means it's over in 15 minutes, but there's a greater chance of a false negative result. So Canada's decision to require molecular tests is erring on the side of safety and more confidence in the results rather than convenience for the traveler.
and shoring up the health care systems (even if not done overnight). Imagine if just half of all the economic losses were poured into our helth care system how much better the health network would be.
You already stated increasing health care capacity wouldn't happen overnight. So increased capacity might come in handy in the future, but we need it right now. But there are additional problems that make increasing capacity not even feasible right now. Healthcare is losing workers right now. I read a CBC story in September about nurses quitting in Quebec, and that same attrition is also happening with doctors and is also happening in the US. Workers are already burned out, and now they're facing another wave of hospitalizations. The huge workload of patients and the psychological toll of constant death are breaking some people and they're leaving the healthcare profession. For some, not even extra pay is enough incentive for them to stay.

The main takeaway is that the pandemic is an ever evolving situation. We've gone from closed borders to vaccines and low cases to increasing cases again due to another variant. Wanting it to be over is altogether different from it actually being over. I'd like nothing more than not dealing with the inconvenience of getting a molecular test, or not worrying about the rate of covid cases if I plan to travel anywhere. But yet, here we are.
 

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I just found this quote in an article that was posted 12 hours ago.

"As early as Monday, the United States will require “all inbound international travellers” to get an antigen test within 24 hours of their departure.

The full article is here https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...ll-other-foreign-air-travellers-to-get-covid/

Sounds like we are still good if driving to Canada, but the administration did a shit job of planning and communicating this change.
Your source is incorrect about the 24 hour requirement. It’s actually one day instead of 24 hours so as to make it easier for the person to get a test with results in time before their flight.
 

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As of midnight tonight (21st Dec 12.01am), all Canadians returning from short trips, via land border, MUST have a molecular test (edited, my bad).

So if you get a booster shot in Vermont, you need to get a test, wait 3-5 days for a result then drive back.


Edited, sorry: molecular test being PCR, NAT, NAAT or RT-LAMP (see link for more types). Rapid antigen tests are NOT accepted.
 
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As of midnight tonight (21st Dec 12.01am), all Canadians returning from short trips, via land border, MUST have a PCR test.

So if you get a booster shot in Vermont, you need to get a PCR test, wait 3-5 days for a result then drive back.

Don't mean to split hairs, but there's actually nowhere in that link that says you 'must have a PCR test'. It references a molecular test. So one can book a NAAT test (from a walgreens) and results typically come back within a few hours to your email (and it's free). I'm quite sure they do them on site, so results are quick.

Just another option ...
 

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Don't mean to split hairs, but there's actually nowhere in that link that says you 'must have a PCR test'. It references a molecular test. So one can book a NAAT test (from a walgreens) and results typically come back within a few hours to your email (and it's free). I'm quite sure they do them on site, so results are quick.

Just another option ...
i tried the walgreens website, no appointments available anywhere
 

thegreatwalooo

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i tried the walgreens website, no appointments available anywhere
In NY the Covid positivity rate is at it's highest it's ever been and trying to get a Covid test is like trying to buy a Christmas tree on Christmas eve. No chance at getting tested until the earliest next week and that's a stretch.
 

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More applicable to flying than driving, but the new 24-hour test requirement is a disaster. Not just when the obvious occurs (a positive result), but actually getting the damn test results.

 

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More applicable to flying than driving, but the new 24-hour test requirement is a disaster. Not just when the obvious occurs (a positive result), but actually getting the damn test results.

Nah. the 1 day test requirement is for US entry only. It's fairly easy to get into the US even with a 1-day window. The US accepts rapid antigen tests. I came home right before Christmas, turnaround for rapid antigen is still 15 minutes. You can also use take home tests that are also 15 minutes. Very easy to go to the US.

The concern is always going from US to Canada. Canada does not accept rapid tests. US testing sites always takes 24-72 hours so it's always stressful. I already missed a flight to Canada because my test results took 50 hours.
 

thegreatwalooo

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Even though getting a test to get back into the USA by plane might be slightly easier from Canada, the main concern I would have flying back is if I tested positive. Now your stuck in Canada for 14 days at your own expense. No way I would fly to Canada now. If I had to fly because I lived far away, I would land in the US and drive across. You don't have to have any tests to get back in when you drive. So even if you felt sick and tested positive for COVID when you got home at least you'd b able to sleep in your own bed.
 
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Isn't 14 days a minimum? I have a friend who contracted Covid at a Christmas party on December 11 and he is still battling symptoms. It's 14 days in a best case scenario. In a worst case scenario, symptoms linger or worsen and you need to seek (and pay for) medical treatment.
 

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Even though getting a test to get back into the USA by plane might be slightly easier from Canada, the main concern I would have flying back is if I tested positive. Now your stuck in Canada for 14 days at your own expense. No way I would fly to Canada now. If I had to fly because I lived far away, I would land in the US and drive across. You don't have to have any tests to get back in when you drive. So even if you felt sick and tested positive for COVID when you got home at least you'd b able to sleep in your own bed.
Ah, I did not know this. Do you have a link to where I can read about the 14 day quarantine? I thought you just had to stay put until you tested negative again.
 
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