speculation on the us canada border

[Patron]

The quarantine process varies from country to country. This poor girl just wanted to feed veggies to gorillas on a trek (it is on plenty of bucket lists) and she found that Rwanda is indeed a quarantine until you test negative to leave the country. Her stay was widely reported because the Rwandan government denied her request for marijuana during her confinement.

TikToker Charly Jordan Apologizes for Traveling to Rwanda During a Pandemic

An extremely long multimedia parable-slash-saga about why we don’t engage in unnecessary international travel during a global pandemic.

www.vulture.com

Here is her summary of the process, which did not likely help in her request for marijuana.

“she revealed that after her gorilla trek she “tested positive and literally the fucking government showed up at my place, and came and dragged me away from everybody I was with, and I don’t speak the language, and they locked me in this fucking room. And I can’t leave.”

…

“She shared a follow-up TikTok video saying she smoked marijuana every day for the past three and a half years and was going 'cold turkey' in the hotel room they were isolating her in.

'Not only am I completely alone, locked in this room, but I'm having withdrawals and crazy nightmares and not sleeping,' she said.”

More pictures of her are available here. Including some gorilla footage.

Charly Jordan apologizes for Rwanda trip and TikTok slamming officials

TikTok star Charly Jordan, 21, issued a public apology on Monday for traveling during the COVID-19 pandemic after she was isolated in Rwanda for testing positive for the virus.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I strongly suspect 95 percent of the U.S. guys on merb would try to get outcall during their confinement.

 

[thegreatwalooo]

I would imagine that 14 days is the minimum and you would need a negative test to get back home and then you would need to get a flight. That's why I chose not to head up to Montreal the week before Christmas. Didn't want to be stuck in another country, without my NYC doctors and hospitals. Not that they are better, more about me knowing my doctors, having local friends in healthcare, hospitals I'm familiar with, etc.

The 14 day quarantine rule should be listed in the ArriveCAN app or the CBP website.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

^^^^^^ I do agree with you. A lot of people traveling now to The Caribbean or elsewhere just don't want to think about the possibility to being hospitalized. The want to believe that the worst is a positive test and that getting an insurance to cover extra fees and return flight cost is all they need to be all good. The worst is getting sick, not speaking about dying or even worst being handicapped by Long-COVID. And yes, it does happen.

 

[2fast2slow]

all these stupid rules are basically to make it a pain in the ass to travel, not because it makes us safe in any way, i'm tired of it.

Denying people from travelling from one place that has omicron to another place that has omicron accomplishes nothing for overall safety.

The first 2 months of the pandemic I accepted it, now it just feels like an infringement of our rights

Sorry im just venting.

 

[Patron]

Hopefully the approach of continuously making reasonable points will work better than having truckers honk horns.

No more pre-departure testing? Travel groups push for end of COVID entry requirement for vaccinated flyers.

A letter from trade groups to the White House's coronavirus response coordinator asks for the removal of the pre-departure testing requirement.

www.yahoo.com

 

[masterP]

Looks like the Covid testing requirement to enter Canada is going away in a few weeks.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-government-to-drop-pre-departure-testing-1.6386763

 

[Wallballer]

Looks like the Covid testing requirement to enter Canada is going away in a few weeks.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-government-to-drop-pre-departure-testing-1.6386763

The new requirements are no test for "fully vaccinated." Does fully vaccinated include boosted?

Thanks.

 

[Robert 21]

The new requirements are no test for "fully vaccinated." Does fully vaccinated include boosted?

Thanks.

Well.....

Travel to Canada: Requirements for COVID-19 vaccinated travellers

What you must do before and after entering Canada as a fully vaccinated traveller.

travel.gc.ca

Check if you qualify as a fully vaccinated traveller​

To qualify as a fully vaccinated traveller to Canada, you must:​

• have received at least 2 doses of a vaccine accepted for travel, a mix of 2 accepted vaccines
  • or at least 1 dose of the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson vaccine
• have received your second dose at least 14 calendar days before you enter Canada
  • Example: if your second dose was anytime on Thursday, July 1, then Thursday, July 15would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition
• have no signs or symptoms of COVID-19

***TRIPLE VAX***

 

[Mistral]

Good for Canada. I just wonder when the heck the US is going to get rid of their 24h covid test requirement to enter by air ?? Can't seem to find any info on this.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Good for Canada. I just wonder when the heck the US is going to get rid of their 24h covid test requirement to enter by air ?? Can't seem to find any info on this.

It's hard to beat not needing an entry test in either direction. But when both countries required testing, US test standards have always been more lenient/convenient than Canada's.

Canada just allowed (healthcare-administered) antigen tests in maybe the last month? Meanwhile, I've been able to get back into US with Binax with eMed (antigen test) since the border reopened. Even with the 24 hour antigen test Canada asked for, you still have to drag yourself to some facility.

If there's a surge in cases from this BA.2 subvariant like we got from Omicron, I'll be very surprised if Canada doesn't require pre-entry tests again.

 

[envelopes]

It's hard to beat not needing an entry test in either direction. But when both countries required testing, US test standards have always been more lenient/convenient than Canada's.

Canada just allowed (healthcare-administered) antigen tests in maybe the last month? Meanwhile, I've been able to get back into US with Binax with eMed (antigen test) since the border reopened. Even with the 24 hour antigen test Canada asked for, you still have to drag yourself to some facility.

If there's a surge in cases from this BA.2 subvariant like we got from Omicron, I'll be very surprised if Canada doesn't require pre-entry tests again.

??? Read 3 replies above. Canada is getting rid of the testing requirement next week.

USA has zero plans to get rid of it.

The Canada test was never a problem. Very easy to get tested in the US for free and no chance of getting stuck. The problem is always coming back to the US, expensive tests in Canada, hard to find, and possibility of getting stuck there.

 

[2fast2slow]

The Canada test was never a problem. Very easy to get tested in the US for free and no chance of getting stuck. The problem is always coming back to the US, expensive tests in Canada, hard to find, and possibility of getting stuck there.

i disagree with the fact that it is very easy and free to get the test...maybe in florida, but not in new york. i went to new york state many times in the last 6 months. It was not always easy and never free.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

??? Read 3 replies above. Canada is getting rid of the testing requirement next week.

USA has zero plans to get rid of it.

The Canada test was never a problem. Very easy to get tested in the US for free and no chance of getting stuck. The problem is always coming back to the US, expensive tests in Canada, hard to find, and possibility of getting stuck there.

I wasn't confused. I know Canada is getting rid of the test requirement next month. In my experience testing-wise, getting back to the US has been easier than going to Canada.

Save the very first trip back to the US (after border reopened) where I had to scramble and paid for an expensive PCR test, since then every trip back to the US has involved a $35 Binax antigen test that I do with supervision in my hotel room with my laptop. I plan ahead and take the test with me when I head to Montreal.

Meanwhile even with free testing everywhere in the US to get into Canada, more effort is required because the test has to be administered by a professional. Even recently where an antigen test, rather than a molecular one, is all Canada requires it still wasn't particularly convenient. To add insult to injury, where I recently got tested (CVS) has now moved to a COVID testing model where your appointment is a COVID test AND

-taking your blood pressure
-using a pulse oximeter
-asking you about the medications you take and medical history

My previous COVID tests were done in 2-3 minutes. I spent almost half an hour getting the antigen test. In other words, I had to undergo a prolonged COVID test and additional collection of personal information like I was at my actual doctor's office because even the antigen test to get into Canada has to be administered by a healthcare professional. (For getting into Canada, I don't know if Binax w/eMed counts as "healthcare administered" and I didn't want to risk it. That's why I went back to CVS but just for an antigen test instead of 72 hour PCR).

So as I previously said, of course not testing is more convenient. Thus, it'll be more convenient to go to Canada come April and ever slightly less convenient to come back home. But if you plan ahead, coming back to the US doesn't have to be expensive or inconvenient.

 

[thegreatwalooo]

i disagree with the fact that it is very easy and free to get the test...maybe in florida, but not in new york. i went to new york state many times in the last 6 months. It was not always easy and never free.

Every time that I've gotten a COVID test in NY it's always been free and easy. Went to the CVS, Walgreens, etc. website, make the appointment and that's it. Whether or not you have medical coverage it's always been free.

 

[2fast2slow]

Every time that I've gotten a COVID test in NY it's always been free and easy. Went to the CVS, Walgreens, etc. website, make the appointment and that's it. Whether or not you have medical coverage it's always been free.

your a citizen i am not. I go to the Plattsburgh region just accros the border. First of all, all the websites say there is nothing available in the area, and when i walk in and they find out i am canadian they charge, 130$USD for pcr and $65USD for antigen. Tried several times at several different pharmacies. Plus im travelling with wife and kid

 

[thegreatwalooo]

your a citizen i am not. I go to the Plattsburgh region just accros the border. First of all, all the websites say there is nothing available in the area, and when i walk in and they find out i am canadian they charge, 130$USD for pcr and $65USD for antigen. Tried several times at several different pharmacies. Plus im travelling with wife and kid

I stand corrected. April 1st cannot get here fast enough. I guess it's the same as if I have to get a COVID test in Canada.

 

[masterP]

I wasn't confused. I know Canada is getting rid of the test requirement next month. In my experience testing-wise, getting back to the US has been easier than going to Canada.

Save the very first trip back to the US (after border reopened) where I had to scramble and paid for an expensive PCR test, since then every trip back to the US has involved a $35 Binax antigen test that I do with supervision in my hotel room with my laptop. I plan ahead and take the test with me when I head to Montreal.

Meanwhile even with free testing everywhere in the US to get into Canada, more effort is required because the test has to be administered by a professional. Even recently where an antigen test, rather than a molecular one, is all Canada requires it still wasn't particularly convenient. To add insult to injury, where I recently got tested (CVS) has now moved to a COVID testing model where your appointment is a COVID test AND

-taking your blood pressure
-using a pulse oximeter
-asking you about the medications you take and medical history

My previous COVID tests were done in 2-3 minutes. I spent almost half an hour getting the antigen test. In other words, I had to undergo a prolonged COVID test and additional collection of personal information like I was at my actual doctor's office because even the antigen test to get into Canada has to be administered by a healthcare professional. (For getting into Canada, I don't know if Binax w/eMed counts as "healthcare administered" and I didn't want to risk it. That's why I went back to CVS but just for an antigen test instead of 72 hour PCR).

So as I previously said, of course not testing is more convenient. Thus, it'll be more convenient to go to Canada come April and ever slightly less convenient to come back home. But if you plan ahead, coming back to the US doesn't have to be expensive or inconvenient.

The Binax antigen test with eMed does count as "healthcare administered" for entering Canada. I went to Montreal last week and that's what I used.

There are no labs in Vermont that process PCR tests, so they have a turnaround time of 3 business days, and even that is not guaranteed. I can get tested for free at a state testing site, but having the test results in time to cross the border is a gamble. No place around here offers "healthcare administered" rapid antigen tests. You can get them for free with health insurance, but the pharmacy will just send you home with the test to perform it yourself.

I used one of the Amazon PCR tests last week that comes with free UPS overnight shipping and guaranteed results within 24 hours of the lab getting the sample. I took the test on Tuesday morning with plans to be in Montreal Thursday afternoon. Found out Tuesday night that UPS had a delay and the package wouldn't be delivered the next day. It ended up taking two days. I was lucky that a friend had an extra Binax eMed test I could use on Thursday morning. I did get the PCR test result a few hours after I crossed the border, but there was no way to know in advance if it would be available before Friday morning. I had already booked a hotel room and changed my worked schedule for the week, so the whole thing was pretty stressful and annoying. So glad the testing is going away and I drive across the border so I don't have to deal with it coming home either.

 

[Robert 21]

There are no labs in Vermont that process PCR tests, so they have a turnaround time of 3 business days, and even that is not guaranteed. I can get tested for free at a state testing site, but having the test results in time to cross the border is a gamble. No place around here offers "healthcare administered" rapid antigen tests. You can get them for free with health insurance, but the pharmacy will just send you home with the test to perform it yourself....

I’m confused about “no labs in Vermont that process PCR tests”....

I went to Montreal in December. I used $90 USD Vault Health salvia COVID Test with a Zoom Meeting. I did not get the Results back in Time. I had driven as far as Burlington,VT waiting to get the Results.

So panic sets in. I book a Hotel in Burlington. I then use my friend Google - www.labfinder.com
- https://garnet.care/Canada - Results 4 Hours $250 ... YES $250 USD ... TY
And booked a Same Day PCR Test for 8:45 am the next day - Right outside the Airport.

Had my Negative Test Results by email in 90 minutes.
Again this was back in December.....



***FU COVID***

 

[masterP]

I’m confused about “no labs in Vermont that process PCR tests”....

I went to Montreal in December. I used $90 USD Vault Health salvia COVID Test with a Zoom Meeting. I did not get the Results back in Time. I had driven as far as Burlington,VT waiting to get the Results.

So panic sets in. I book a Hotel in Burlington. I then use my friend Google - www.labfinder.com
- https://garnet.care/Canada - Results 4 Hours $250 ... YES $250 USD ... TY
And booked a Same Day PCR Test for 8:45 am the next day - Right outside the Airport.

Had my Negative Test Results by email in 90 minutes.
Again this was back in December.....



***FU COVID***

I wasn't aware of that option. But there's no way I would pay $250 for test to visit Montreal for one night.
I was talking about the state run testing sites where I can get a free test, the samples from those tests are sent to labs in the Boston area.

 

[Fradi]

There has been a similar self administered test from Switch Health in partnership with Air Canada, before you could use Self administered LAMP test and since March 1st a self administered rapid Antigen test viewed on line by a professional exactly the same as what was available to US citizens.
The rapid antigen test comes in a kit of 2 tests for $79 dollars if you are an Air Canada member, membership is free.
I purchased this kit and it arrived in 3 days. Used it for a trip leaving on the last day of Feb. back in March so the Antigen was in affect already.
This was only good for Canadians returning from a trip as they only deliver these kits to a Canadian address.

This will not be required as of April 1st.