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hobbyvil

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testosteronne treatments are misunderstood, even by many older Dr.

I wanted to explore this avenue now that I am in my mid 40’s and found a Dr about my age, graduated from McGill and specialized in urology (men’s health).
He had me run a full lab work on my blood then we met and I stepped out with my prescription.
Its not just the erectile ability of my early 20’s that I regained.
I lost fat, gained muscle, sleep better, have lots more energy, better focus, more drive, better moods….

its covered by most basic insurances too by the way….

to me its been a life changer.
 

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Interesting thread. I’m 54 and I do not train(I’m in pretty good shape). I don’t know why but when I’m excited (depends on my mood and lady), I can stay naturally hard for very long sessions(thanks to mom and dad). The thing is, if the lady does something that turn me off, then out goes the lights... Ha!Ha! When this happens, that’s ok because I know I’m not a young gun anymore.

That being said, For now I don’t consider treatments If I need to and let the «*machine*» fading slowly until being a black star.
Is there any long term side effects? Does taking synthetic hormonal therapy elevates cancer risks?...in case I change my mind?...
Now I'm at 58 and I do train hard (Crossfit) about every day since more than 3 years.
I still enjoy good erections without medication. I do cardio as well as strength exercises.
Don't need to say my body has fully transformed into an athlete shape one.
My ATF loves it as she saw the whole transformation and we still have such great sessions.
Hope this will last. :)
 
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Just change your lifesetyle, you dont need test

LIft heavy weights
Eat Healthy
Get great sleep

Religiously and Consistency
 

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Just change your lifesetyle, you dont need test

LIft heavy weights
Eat Healthy
Get great sleep

Religiously and Consistency
Healthy living & exercise good. But everyone is built differently. I’m a big advocate of testing especially if junior is not working too well.

If anyone’s interested, remember to not just test total testosterone. It’s actually free testosterone that you want to check. That require a couple more complicated tests, anyway best to check with a endocrinologist.
 

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I for myself was probably dragging low T around for a few years. I'll share a bit about it, if you recognize yourself, message me. If you feel like you are not gaining as much in the gym as you used to in your 20's , don't contact me...

Had many symptoms, like fatigue, muscle pain, weight gains, anxiety, heart palpitations. Had many many tests done in my late 30's no doctor (or myself) ever though ot checking my testosterone, they always stopped at the thyroid. Then Covid hit, and having small kids, we picked it up quite often and it took me months to recuperate each time, so I blamed it on that. It's not until last winter that the biggest symptoms came, incredible fatigue, I needed a nap in the am and pm and sleep at 9pm to somewhat function. Crushing muscle pain were always present. Libido became very low, and erections became difficult. This has never in my life being an issue, even with msog. Another symptom is a strange state of mind, I was a wreck, yet so relaxed about it. I'm tired so I just need to sleep, so what if I sleep all weekend, thats what I needed to get through the week. I honestly would wish aholes cutting me off on the highway to get home safe which was unlike my usual reaction! Anyhow, I decided to get it checked privately after reading an article. It came back at 150 ng/dl. You then need to wait a few weeks for another test to confirm it, which came back at 156. I started T and had the results sent to my doctor, which sent it immediately to an endo. I went ahead anyways privately not wanting to wait. It has been an awsome, the first change was literally the next morning I woke up with no muscle pain. T is responsible for regulating inflamation in the body or at least plays a role. Takes a few months before you find the dose, but then you start realizing how much you've gone through over 3 years slapping yourself awake every morning. If I was a women, this would have been discovered and treated much earlier. But there's now starting to be some men's health private clinics filling the void.

So to sum it up. If your in the 300-400 range, lifestyle changes can surely help you. 200-300, is the zone where docs draw the line between a disease and a ''lifestyle'' choice. Under 200 is completely debilitating and will get your treated fast. My impression is though that if you don't get treated in the 200-300 zone, which I was probably for a while, your libido gets impacted permanently if it goes much lower. Although a lot of it came back and I'm surely normal for my age, I'm not the multiple shop rock hard champ I was even 2 years go. It was a big fast change.
 
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I read about oral, not injection, Proviron or Mesterolone, stuff from the 1960's used for libido but research is sketchy and not available in US or Canada other than black market.
I obtained some and tried this Proviron from good source taking it on demand to not take risk of long term adaptation, not regularly as in a cycle, a few times and yea you can feel a subtle surge but also feel the heart beating stronger which is unsettling.
Sadly artificial testosterone therapy kills natural libido over time and as every bodybuilder knows kills natural libido and body will shut down natural testosterone production creating dependancy.

Maurice Richard above forgot to mention potassium for blood vessel dilation to offset excessive sodium which is a known vasoconstrictor.
Before erotic activity along with other protocols I have I drink:

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There is very low sodium and the highest potassium of most all sport drinks.
Do not drink the Prime caffeinated that is a boner killer, too much caffeine.
It is not really a hydration drink as marketing suggests because mostly sodium is required for that.
That Prime drink seems to have an effect for myself.
Yea Paul Logan haha but this Prime seems everywhere.

Edit: What happened to Maurice Richard post hehe broken english but it was interesting!?
 
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inoc

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The dose taken in TRT is nowhere the same as what bodybuilders would take on top of their own normal levels. This is all new to me but I don't think the health effects Maurice is describing is typical of trt. 70mg a week barely got me over 300. Now at .6 twice a week and feeling great. So don't mix both, TRT is not the same as anabolic steroid abuse.
 

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If I was a women, this would have been discovered and treated much earlier.

I'm super glad you were able to advocate for yourself and get the testing and then the treatment you needed. It's awful feeling like crap and having your doctor dismiss it. However, I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that you would have been treated better and earlier if you were a woman. It's established fact that we get dismissed and ignored on serious health issues, as well as pain. If you were a woman, you would have been given antidepressants, told to lose weight and exercise, or told that's just what happens when you have kids, when you age, when you gain weight or a long list of other things women are told when they complain of pretty much any symptom. Good chance it would have come with a good dose of condescension.

I sympathize with you, as many women also would, for having experienced it at least once but most likely several times. But unless there's evidence that this specific condition is unusual and would have been better studied, detected, or treated for women, it is in fact an incorrect claim and actually the opposite of what happens in healthcare. So that's why I'd be genuinely interested in knowing why you believe that's the case.



" On average, women were diagnosed later than men for 770 different types of diseases and conditions, with an average delay of roughly four years. Women with cancer, for example, were generally diagnosed two and a half years later than men. Diagnosis of ADHD had a difference in diagnosis of almost six years, with women being diagnosed around age 20, compared to age 14 for boys. Women with diabetes were diagnosed around four and a half years later than men, delaying the course of their treatment significantly. "
 

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I'm super glad you were able to advocate for yourself and get the testing and then the treatment you needed. It's awful feeling like crap and having your doctor dismiss it. However, I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that you would have been treated better and earlier if you were a woman. It's established fact that we get dismissed and ignored on serious health issues, as well as pain. If you were a woman, you would have been given antidepressants, told to lose weight and exercise, or told that's just what happens when you have kids, when you age, when you gain weight or a long list of other things women are told when they complain of pretty much any symptom. Good chance it would have come with a good dose of condescension.

I sympathize with you, as many women also would, for having experienced it at least once but most likely several times. But unless there's evidence that this specific condition is unusual and would have been better studied, detected, or treated for women, it is in fact an incorrect claim and actually the opposite of what happens in healthcare. So that's why I'd be genuinely interested in knowing why you believe that's the case.



" On average, women were diagnosed later than men for 770 different types of diseases and conditions, with an average delay of roughly four years. Women with cancer, for example, were generally diagnosed two and a half years later than men. Diagnosis of ADHD had a difference in diagnosis of almost six years, with women being diagnosed around age 20, compared to age 14 for boys. Women with diabetes were diagnosed around four and a half years later than men, delaying the course of their treatment significantly. "
Anna, I did not want this to turn into a life story. Nor do I want it to turn into a debate about the plight of life as a man or as a woman or draw any conclusions about who gets diagnosed first. However, I can tell you that I was told to loose weight, I was put on antidepressants , which led to more weight gain. I was told that energy comes by moving more, even why I try to explain I have trouble going up the stairs, how am I supposed to go to the gym?. The impacts on my liver were even very condecently related to my alcohol consumption even after I swore i dont drink more than the equivalent of a bottle of wine a month. This kind of experience does not come to only one gender unfortunately.

My point was that if I was a women, I would have been tested for hormones much sooner as the symptoms are more recognizable and common, every women goes through it at some point. The treatment are also much more advanced for women. No weekly constant dosage patch exist for men. Only daily patch or creams which you have to be sure not to transfer to your kids or weekly injections which gives you 3 good days 2 so so and 2 low days. General practitioners are also much more comfortable giving oestrogens than testosterone. Testosterone is a controlled substance therefore you are sent to a Endo which in the public is probably a few years of wait probably(9 months and counting). And everything must be renewed every 3 months because of it being a steroid, even though, everyone knows it's usually a lifelong condition.

So in this case, at least if I was a women, I would have know what I'm fighting for. I had no clue. I thought I had long covid, called myself lazy for years.

I literally read an article and clicked on a advertisement for a men's clinic thinking nothing would come of it but testing was offered for 50$. So why not? Had I not done it myself out of luck, I probably still wouldn't know. How long would my familly tolerate me beign like this? Consequences are far reaching.

Hope this helps :)
 

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Then Covid hit, and having small kids, we picked it up quite often and it took me months to recuperate each time, so I blamed it on that. It's not until last winter that the biggest symptoms came, incredible fatigue, I needed a nap in the am and pm and sleep at 9pm to somewhat function. Crushing muscle pain were always present. Libido became very low, and erections became difficult. This has never in my life being an issue, even with msog. Another symptom is a strange state of mind, I was a wreck, yet so relaxed about it. I'm tired so I just need to sleep, so what if I sleep all weekend, thats what I needed to get through the week.
Yea. I am fit, very low fat generally hyperactive, no alcohol. I was never sick and was hobbying like a bozo throughout the entire pandemic. Yea lockdown partying. Testosterone testing and supplementation aside I took 2 covid shots just as the immunization marketing campaign was ending. 2 weeks after second shot get low blood pressure blackout with stripper at a club so embarrassing. I never blacked out before. Then some months later get covid coincidently at the same time as many confirmed vaccinated patrons and employees at local club. During this covid I had massive fatigue and was sleeping entire days for weeks and blacked out once more taking a piss at night crawling back to bed during the covid fever. I felt drugged like on valium everyday for some months and yea no more morning boners. 1 week into the covid experience, 2022, I got upset and put a mask on to walk downtown to the fireworks since visiting any establishment was a no no since I was covid positive. I really felt like drunk walking and very hallucinogenic experience at fireworks hehe. I almost collapsed on sidewalk going home. The covid experience for me was like I was overdosing on drugs rather than sick nausea, very unusual. I have never tested for hormone levels because it will just add to my paranoia, I don't want to know kinda thing. Those months of covid burnout seem to have the same long term effects as low Testosterone. That part of your story really stood out for me. A year later presently now Systems seem to have returned to normal but I still ask wtf really happened?
 
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testosteronne treatments are misunderstood, even by many older Dr.

I wanted to explore this avenue now that I am in my mid 40’s and found a Dr about my age, graduated from McGill and specialized in urology (men’s health).
He had me run a full lab work on my blood then we met and I stepped out with my prescription.
Its not just the erectile ability of my early 20’s that I regained.
I lost fat, gained muscle, sleep better, have lots more energy, better focus, more drive, better moods….

its covered by most basic insurances too by the way….

to me its been a life changer.

TRT works extremely well and millions of men are benefiting from it.

However, keep in mind that steroids are like any other powerful drug - possibly addictive and with high abuse potential.

This is especially the case for TRT because once you start it's basically a lifelong commitment - meaning, you will be physically dependant on it. After the first changes and results stabilize to become the new normal, there will always be the psychological temptation to up the dose just a little bit more. Or maybe add on some pills every once in a while. Why not? The basic TRT doesn't seem to cause any issues, in fact it's amazing, a littler more is certainly not going to hurt. Thoughts like "I feel great, and all of these compliments about the way I'm starting to look are also nice." will start to be ever present. And so on... These thoughts will eventually come. Some men deal better with this than others and stick to their prescription, some do not and eventually turn into another steroid junkie.
 

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TRT works extremely well and millions of men are benefiting from it.

However, keep in mind that steroids are like any other powerful drug - possibly addictive and with high abuse potential.

This is especially the case for TRT because once you start it's basically a lifelong commitment - meaning, you will be physically dependant on it. After the first changes and results stabilize to become the new normal, there will always be the psychological temptation to up the dose just a little bit more. Or maybe add on some pills every once in a while. Why not? The basic TRT doesn't seem to cause any issues, in fact it's amazing, a littler more is certainly not going to hurt. Thoughts like "I feel great, and all of these compliments about the way I'm starting to look are also nice." will start to be ever present. And so on... These thoughts will eventually come. Some men deal better with this than others and stick to their prescription, some do not and eventually turn into another steroid junkie.

agreed, it is a powerfull drug and commitment.
But its not addictive, its not a drug from which you get a high.

All Dr’s should be made aware of this treatment and evaluate their male patient’s testosterone. They do check females every year and gyno’s won’t hesitate to adjust their patient’s hormones. Why not with men?

The effects are impressive, and it is far beyond sexual prowess and muscle generation. You sleep and recuperate better, your mood stabilizes, no more forgetting your keys and annoying details constantly, you have better focus, drive and ultimately I find that I am better at work. Lots of studies show that it helps prevent hearth problems, lowers blood pressure and might prevent diabetese…
 
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