If I could add to that (refering to indies only, haven't had a chance to visit an agency yet) the discrepancy between what's advertised and what's actually offered - age, pictures, general appearance, services expected and ones actually offered, etcIs it just me or there seems to be a lot of complaining around in various threads? Might be the holiday season...
I figured it'd be nice to have an "all in" thread where people can just bitch about stuff while, hopefully, remain somewhat respectful.
I can start with a few points, some of which have been brought up elsewhere, by me and others:
1- GFE is not GFE anymore: I stated before that, now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.2- Physical ratings are inflated: I, personally, will refrain from rating SPs I see on their physical attributes. First of all, because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but mostly because most people seem to have lost their minds (or balls) when giving high grades. The only example I'll give is this:- 10 means perfect, 10 means dream girl. 10 means unattainable. Maybe 5 SPs in Montreal are truly 10s.- 5 means average, and there's quite a few floating around.- In between, you'll find the GND types (6 & 7) and the hot / really hot ones (8 & 9)By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller. And from what I see, there seems to be more and more competition in the Indy market. I'm pretty sure some (most?) of you find that times are somewhat difficult. 450+$ per hour? Add another 50$ for Outcall with a minimum booking of 1.5h? Really?I could go on and on. I could talk about Screening, LeoList, false stats on agency websites, etc.
Agencies, Indies, Clients... everyone bears part of the blame. But that's the hobby we live in at the dawn of 2024.
Fortunately for me, I found my sweet spot. I should be fine.
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If I could add to that (refering to indies only, haven't had a chance to visit an agency yet) the discrepancy between what's advertised and what's actually offered - age, pictures, general appearance, services expected and ones actually offered, etc
maybe use tryst or see indy companion girls instead of leolist. i often hear clients complain that when they get to a booking the girl isn't the same person as the photos, because they didn't check if the ad was verified or not and they didn't check the person's social media presence & website.
i've posted on leolist recently because things were slow for a short moment and i lost my old phone number. trust me, the problem is on both sides. i get harassed, people refusing to screen, no call no shows, dick pics, voice mails calling me a bitch and a whore, etc. whenever i bump my ad. do your research and ask the right questions and you'll find someone appropriate for your needs. i know people use leolist because they want to pay low rates and they want short last minute bookings and in a case like this the person doesn't really do their research.
The increasingly clinical and regimented state of the industry. While I understand many of the reasons for it nevertheless a great deal of the fun and adventure has been sucked out of the industry at large, to be replaced by an almost bureacratic detachment at times. This is my view of the industry here in general and not of any providers in particular.
Not necessarily the girl isn't the same person - it doesn't look as in the pictures, and I am not talking about photoshop. For example, does it really take a lot of time/effort/money to put a nice make-up ? Or another example - if you know you offer dato in addition to daty, isn't it common sense that you should be extra clean "there" ? I mean use a mirror if need be, don't make me see small dots of brown stuff...
I don't really know what to tell you. Personally I wear makeup and lingerie and a nice dress every time I receive a client, and I make sure I'm clean. I know that's the case for many of my colleagues.
The thing is, a lot of clients prefer us not to wear makeup and they don't want us to be dressed up. It ends up being confusing and some people choose to stop wearing makeup entirely as a result of that. If you have a request, ask for it during the booking process. It sounds to me like you're expecting women to look absolutely spotless. People can't look exactly like their photos all the time. Do you like women, or do you like the idea of them that you have in your head?
However I agree 100% that it's not normal or pleasant to go down on someone who has unclean asshole lol that's just common sense and I've had to deal with clients who had shit between their ass cheeks and didn't know how to shower properly, so I get it.
A lot of people don’t wear makeup during sessions because some of you are married and I doubt you’d like to explain your wife why you have lipstick and foundation on your white shirt. Same reason a lot of us don’t use perfume.
You can always try to request makeup if that’s very important for you.
I personally state in my ads and website that I don’t do makeup, I don’t own any kind of makeup and don’t like it.
You can always try to request makeup if that’s very important for you.
I personally state in my ads and website that I don’t do makeup, I don’t own any kind of makeup and don’t like it.
It's why I stopped wearing makeup. That and when being intimate it can get everywhere, or half wipe off. Then need to try touching up the makeup when half your face had it removed. And my makeup is half glitter.. lol.. and we know no matter what you do, glitter always manages to stay behind.
It is why my more recent photos even in my ad/website are without makeup. I figure might as well be transparent to the face that is arriving at their door. Besides. Makeup is more for me than them, as I tend to think I look better without it. It is more an artistic expression than it is for beauty.
Now the extent of makeup I wear is colorful mascara.
I'm so glad you girls are using this thread for your own grievances.
I just love tasting freshly applied gloss on my favorite lips. She has such an inviting mouth when she does.
This is not my personal experience with indies... quite the opposite, actually. My experience with indies is, admittedly, still somewhat limited, and I stick to those I have great chemistry with. I find that the discrepancy you're talking about is way more obvious with agencies, where the girls aren't in control of anything regarding their advertising.
I used to see mainly agency SPs, but lately I saw a couple of Indy’s. My experience with Indy’s has been quite good, from ease of communication and booking, flexibility for the date/time and a more personalized experience.
I guess each one’s experience is different and preferences vary.
I agree that there is a substantial price difference and each one has an opinion about whether it’s worth the price difference. For me so far, it is.
One thing that’s clear is that IMO, it’s a more personalized experience and easier to build chemistry with an Indy. How can you compare a low volume Indy seeing 1-2 clients per day, vs an agency SP seeing 5-6 clients a day?!?
If a client just wants a release and couldn’t give a crap about chemistry, then it’s a different story!
You and I went the indy way lately, and for the same good reasons
The fun I'm having with indies, especially prior to meeting them, is next to none. The chemistry we build is amazing, and the sessions I've had so far are the best I've had in a long time.Yes, they're more expensive. But they've given me so much time, fun and attention outside of the session, prior and after. This is priceless to me.
I love my indies
exactly! and your experience with a provider will improve over time. chemistry and bonding develop over time. it's just reality! we are not in a movie or a video game, we are human beings and having a very human experience together. with some of my regular clients i have developed a friendship and we are used to each other and we know what to talk about and what to do to have a good time together.
i stopped working at spas because it was really bad for my mental and physical health. the service i offered at a spa was different as well, and i often did not want to be there. now i enjoy meeting new clients and seeing my regulars
nothing feels rushed and even when i get booked for short periods of time i feel respected most of the time.
I'm so glad you feel this wayYou and I went the indy way lately, and for the same good reasons
Yes, they're more expensive. But they've given me so much time, fun and attention outside of the session, prior and after. This is priceless to me.
I love my indies
I hope more people will understand the appeal of indies. Sometimes I consider going back to spas or working for an agency but I know I would not enjoy it and I wouldn't be able to provide the same experience. Different clients have different needs, this is why I personally offer GFE. A lot of clients want softness and companionship and a tender experience, or they want to spend time with someone whose personality and vibe they really enjoy, and I tend to be popular among this type of clientele.
I wear lip gloss all the time!I just love tasting freshly applied gloss on my favorite lips. She has such an inviting mouth when she does.
That's also a very good point. I love wearing makeup personally. If a client wants me not to wear any type of perfume or avoid heavy makeup of course I will listen to his request. Generally clients have enjoyed the scented body lotion I wear and I have toned down my makeup looks to appear more natural but still cute and seductive.
I have always seen Indy’s
I don’t like going through a booker or being part of the production line.
The ladies I see I have known for many years and we not only have chemistry but we are friends,
These women are not only gorgeous they are amazingly kind human beings who are a total pleasure to spend time with.
I always look forward to seeing them, they never disappoint and I know for sure that I will have a fabulous time with them.
I don’t like going through a booker or being part of the production line.
The ladies I see I have known for many years and we not only have chemistry but we are friends,
These women are not only gorgeous they are amazingly kind human beings who are a total pleasure to spend time with.
I always look forward to seeing them, they never disappoint and I know for sure that I will have a fabulous time with them.
Me too. And I think it's showing at meetup.I love my indies
Pet peeve #39035 : What's the point of sending a message to an escort just to tell her you're not going to book her? Lol feels unnecessary
Pet peeve #39036 : when I accidentally post in the wrong thread..
Pet peeve #39036 : when I accidentally post in the wrong thread..
Totally unnecessary also messaging an escort to ask for a discount or a service you know she doesn't offer......
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