The Bitching thread

[Charsi-baba]

Is it just me or there seems to be a lot of complaining around in various threads? Might be the holiday season...

I figured it'd be nice to have an "all in" thread where people can just bitch about stuff while, hopefully, remain somewhat respectful.

I can start with a few points, some of which have been brought up elsewhere, by me and others:

1- GFE is not GFE anymore: I stated before that, now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.​

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2- Physical ratings are inflated: I, personally, will refrain from rating SPs I see on their physical attributes. First of all, because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but mostly because most people seem to have lost their minds (or balls) when giving high grades. The only example I'll give is this:​

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- 10 means perfect, 10 means dream girl. 10 means unattainable. Maybe 5 SPs in Montreal are truly 10s.​

- 5 means average, and there's quite a few floating around.​

- In between, you'll find the GND types (6 & 7) and the hot / really hot ones (8 & 9)​

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By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.​

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3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.​

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4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller. And from what I see, there seems to be more and more competition in the Indy market. I'm pretty sure some (most?) of you find that times are somewhat difficult. 450+$ per hour? Add another 50$ for Outcall with a minimum booking of 1.5h? Really?​

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I could go on and on. I could talk about Screening, LeoList, false stats on agency websites, etc.

Agencies, Indies, Clients... everyone bears part of the blame. But that's the hobby we live in at the dawn of 2024.

Fortunately for me, I found my sweet spot. I should be fine.

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There you go... I started it

you did a pretty good job. Anyone with a decent iq and mindset who are in this “hobby” would agree. But It could be possible that people like us are less in numbers. Yesterday I met someone in euphoria , I was the last client, and I was talking like a normal person would do , and she said that this the first conversation I had today I was so shocked hearing it man. Most people are there to take pills and fuck. What a disgusting mentality I believe the girls gave to deal with a lot of narcissistic individuals daily.

 

[Charsi-baba]

I've definitely had girls tell me that most bookings are 1h and are usually purely sexual. They didn't seem too bothered by that since it's part of the job, but they definitely appreciate a nice conversation and being able to actually connect with a client before moving on to sex. It also makes the sex 10x better when you take time to get to know each other and share a few laughs, which is probably why my mileage doesn't seem to really vary and I pretty much always get stellar service.

One thing that surprised me though is the very high percentage of married men compared to single men hobbying according to the girls, I would have expected something closer to 50% and not like 95%. This alone might explain the mentality problem that you mentioned as while there are a few good reasons for someone married to hobby, there are a lot more bad reasons.

Oh man , that is enlightening. Fuckkk , I cant believe it !!!! 95%? Man I thought Montreal had good people and family values.

 

[Charsi-baba]

If a woman is damaged, that means she's experienced.
She will have higher levels of empathy and be better able to satisfy your needs.

You can only have empathy , if you heal from that damage or at least have intentions of getting better. if you are damaged and doing this , you are just going to pass on the trauma to your clients and people you come in contact with.

 

[Charsi-baba]

The mp girl I used to see last fall said daytime was usually her married clients and I was an exception (I mostly manage my own time and am single).

Also these men are what I feel is wrong with the world . Imagine the lies they tell to their wives, imagine the amount of intimacy they miss with the person that they are supposed to have it with so that they can raise their children well. But no , we are men , we just want to fuck everything up and make the world hell. Kudos to all those married men reading this forum

 

[Charsi-baba]

Thought / question of the day: I'm speaking from experience. Why is it that the most damaged girls usually provide the best sex?

That could just be your opinion, why do you think that your opinion is a universal fact?

 

[Charsi-baba]

How long have you been here? This is the land of hardcore feminists that despise femininity, and of weak simp men. Our values are completely and uterly fucked lol.

Most people don't even ever marry too in Quebec, which makes this statistic even more astonishing. Almost everyone I know in the rest of Canada and in other countries are married, yet everyone I know here isn't, even if they've been together for 10-20-30 years. People have an aversion to marriage because they refuse to ever commit to anything, and that includes the person they supposedly love.

I am relatively new here. I don't care about people getting married cause in my opinion they should not .We age, men and women. It’s not supposed to work for except to make kids. Anything is fine if you ate aware of your actions and making sure that you are not fucking up the progeny , but these men probably might not be enlightened enough to not do that. But TBH , I have been to many places in the world , Montreal is the only place where I would pursue this hobby , cause the way the people are raised here I really like it . I really feel positive among them . I hope these people are not assholes to the girls and in personal life , but at any other place it would be wors.

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[Thane]

Define “damaged”

Someone who has experienced emotional, psychological, or physical harm that has had a lasting impact on their well-being.

 

[AirBo]

Define “damaged”

Abused (mostly) whether physically or psychologically.

Sometimes the total opposite: ignored.

I've come to realize, with time, that it's incredible the percentage of women who have gone through some kind of abuse when they were younger.

 

[LC18]

Someone who has experienced emotional, psychological, or physical harm that has had a lasting impact on their well-being.

So everyone?

 

[AirBo]

That is just your opinion man, why do you think that your opinion is a universal fact and you can post it as a question so confidently.

I do not think my opinion is universal but it is my observation from my experience. Also, I made sure to add the word "usually".

You better get used to my style of posting

 

[Charsi-baba]

Abused (mostly) whether physically or psychologically.

Sometimes the total opposite: ignored.

I've come to realize, with time, that it's incredible the percentage of women who have gone through some kind of abuse when they were younger.

It is impossible for anyone to grow up without facing any one of these issues so in reality everyone is damaged to some extent, it is just that some people just don’t want to accept. These are the ones that continue living their life following the same patterns and then passing on the trauma to others. Also when people realize this they are termed as “woke” and “snowflakes” by the abusers cause then how else will their reign of terror, delusion and control sustain?

 

[Thane]

So everyone?

Everyone has problems, but some people have good support networks that either help them bounce back readily, so traumas don't hit them quite as hard when they do hit, or they're resilient people who have managed to navigate their issues and have developed lives for themselves where they don't worry so much about those traumas.

 

[AirBo]

It is impossible for anyone to grow up without facing any one of these issues so in reality everyone is damaged to some extent, it is just that some people just don’t want to accept. These are the ones that continue living their life following the same patterns and then passing on the trauma to others. Also when people realize this they are termed as “woke” and “snowflakes” by the abusers cause then how else will their reign of terror, delusion and control sustain?

You know, I mostly agree with what you're saying and I understand why my post made you react this way.

Try to see beyond the provocation. If you take most of my posts at face value, you won't like me very much.

 

[LC18]

Everyone has problems, but some people have good support networks that either help them bounce back readily, so traumas don't hit them quite as hard when they do hit, or they're resilient people who have managed to navigate their issues and have developed lives for themselves where they don't worry so much about those traumas.

Whether you have recovered or not, it still leaves “scars” on your body and mind. Life is hard, pretty much everyone has had at the very least one life changing event that can leave trauma, visible or not.

I also don’t like the term “damaged”, you are not a damaged merchandise that we put in the discount bin.

It’s good for everyone, stop seeing yourself as damaged and stop seeing others as damaged.

 

[Charsi-baba]

You know, I mostly agree with what you're saying and I understand why my post made you react this way.

Try to see beyond the provocation. If you take most of my posts at face value, you won't like me very much.

Oh not at all man , I feel they are good pointers for starting conversation about something real I am no one to judge on the basis of just one of your post. If anything else I probably I will like you if i met you irl.

 

[Charsi-baba]

Whether you have recovered or not, it still leaves “scars” on your body and mind. Life is hard, pretty much everyone has had at the very least one life changing event that can leave trauma, visible or not.

I also don’t like the term “damaged”, you are not a damaged merchandise that we put in the discount bin.

It’s good for everyone, stop seeing yourself as damaged and stop seeing others as damaged.

Yes I think what was wrong with phrasing was using the word “damaged” cause it actually feels objectifying.

For me right now , I have started seeing everyone as “fragile” not “damaged” . Don’t know what is the best way, but this is how I relate with others right now.

 

[LC18]

For me right now , I have started seeing everyone as “fragile” not “damaged” . Don’t know what is the best way, but this is how I relate with others right now.

I absolutely love “fragile” as you should always treat others with care and realize that they can “break”. It might sound objectifying but sometimes those exemples are the easiest to understand and relate to.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Well… I spent 20+ year living in “common law”. It ultimately means the same thing with religion removed as far as security, mutual understanding, etc.

Not really the same, married couples have a very different protection according to law. One major difference is about the wealth gains during marriage whereas everything, retirement plans, investments, capital, material etc. falls into the family heritage which, following a divorce, will have to be split between the two. And very often, the wife will be compensated for her years spent raising kids and holding the house without being able to pursue a career. None of this exists if you live in a common law relationship.

 

[1tal1un]

Not really the same, married couples have a very different protection according to law. One major difference is about the wealth gains during marriage whereas everything, retirement plans, investments, capital, material etc. falls into the family heritage which, following a divorce, will have to be split between the two. And very often, the wife will be compensated for her years spent raising kids and holding the house without being able to pursue a career. None of this exists if you live in a common law relationship.

Yep been there!!

 

[hob12]

Not really the same, married couples have a very different protection according to law. One major difference is about the wealth gains during marriage whereas everything, retirement plans, investments, capital, material etc. falls into the family heritage which, following a divorce, will have to be split between the two. And very often, the wife will be compensated for her years spent raising kids and holding the house without being able to pursue a career. None of this exists if you live in a common law relationship.

If you have kids there will still be alimony to be paid, depending on income and who has the most of the custody.

Just a little precision.